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Ted Ginn has had so much pressure since he was drafted the 9th overall pick by Miami in the 2007 draft. He was booed by fans, experts were very critical of the pick, and they still havent let it go yet. All the critics seem to pick on Ginn. They put much more added unessesscary pressure on him then there already is. Why though.

If you recall, the Dolphins had the second pick of the draft in 2005. We selected Ronnie Brown. The 3rd pick overall was Braylon Edwards from Michigan, he was selected by Cleveland. There was most likely pressure he had to face, but probably not as much as Ginn has had to deal with. He wasnt picked in front of the Country's favorite QB Brady Quinn from Notre Dame. Edwards was expected to be picked at the 3rd spot.

Critics were not very harsh on Edwards in his career. He finished his rookie year with 32 catches,500+ recieving yards, and just 3 touchdowns. You would hope for more out of the 3rd pick wouldnt you? Ted Ginn's rookie year was very similar to Edwards rookie year. Ginn had more catches, a little less in yards, and 1 less recieving touchdown. Ginn also had special teams impact with another TD bringing his total of TD's to 3 similar to Edwards. So they in a sense are even in production. Ginn should have had 2 more ST Td's, but were called back due to penalties. That wouldve given Ginn 5 for the year.

So Edwards and Ginn had fairly similar Rookie years. Why is it that people are already jumping on Ginn's back and calling him a bust after just one year when his first year was similar to a young pro bowl recievers year? Ginn was not even the starting reciever for the majority of the season either. So why is that.

Edwards second year was a bit shaky also, but he improved. He finished with 61 catches,800+ yards and 6 touchdowns. The Browns were still in the process of finding a consistent QB that year. Edwards was still finishing below standards that the 3rd overall pick should get as a starting wide reciever. Ginn has just started his second year in the NFL. He has a decent QB in Pennington and the two looked like they were in sync during the pre season. Ginn looked like a whole different wide reciever in the pre season. Now with a consisten QB, maybe Ginn will get near or surpass Edwards sophmore years stats.

Edwards third year was his Breakout year. He had 80 catches, over 1200 yards recieving, and 16 TD's. He finally had his consistent QB after one year previously working with him. Edwards was a pro bowler.

WHAT IS DORS TRYING TO SAY????

Why is it that people are so critical of Ginn after just one season? Ginn had similar stats to Edwards rookie year, which seems to me a very good sign. Ginn now has a Good QB under center, who can get him the ball, as did Anderson for Edwards toward the end of his 2nd year. Its the third year when Recievers begin to blossom in this league. Edwards did so in his third year with Anderson. Ginn could do also if Pennington will start another year after this year. Give Ginn time and be patient. He seems to have the potential.Get off his back and lets get the season jumpstarted on Sunday!!!!!!!!!
 
Give Ginn time to develop at the hardest position to transition into at the next level? Hell no! We don't do sound reasoning around here.
 
I completely agree. Any person on this message board that calls Ginn a bust is clueless. Plain and simple.
 
Ted Ginn has had so much pressure since he was drafted the 9th overall pick by Miami in the 2007 draft. He was booed by fans, experts were very critical of the pick, and they still havent let it go yet. All the critics seem to pick on Ginn. They put much more added unessesscary pressure on him then there already is. Why though.

If you recall, the Dolphins had the second pick of the draft in 2005. We selected Ronnie Brown. The 3rd pick overall was Braylon Edwards from Michigan, he was selected by Cleveland. There was most likely pressure he had to face, but probably not as much as Ginn has had to deal with. He wasnt picked in front of the Country's favorite QB Brady Quinn from Notre Dame. Edwards was expected to be picked at the 3rd spot.

Critics were not very harsh on Edwards in his career. He finished his rookie year with 32 catches,500+ recieving yards, and just 3 touchdowns. You would hope for more out of the 3rd pick wouldnt you? Ted Ginn's rookie year was very similar to Edwards rookie year. Ginn had more catches, a little less in yards, and 1 less recieving touchdown. Ginn also had special teams impact with another TD bringing his total of TD's to 3 similar to Edwards. So they in a sense are even in production. Ginn should have had 2 more ST Td's, but were called back due to penalties. That wouldve given Ginn 5 for the year.

So Edwards and Ginn had fairly similar Rookie years. Why is it that people are already jumping on Ginn's back and calling him a bust after just one year when his first year was similar to a young pro bowl recievers year? Ginn was not even the starting reciever for the majority of the season either. So why is that.

Edwards second year was a bit shaky also, but he improved. He finished with 61 catches,800+ yards and 6 touchdowns. The Browns were still in the process of finding a consistent QB that year. Edwards was still finishing below standards that the 3rd overall pick should get as a starting wide reciever. Ginn has just started his second year in the NFL. He has a decent QB in Pennington and the two looked like they were in sync during the pre season. Ginn looked like a whole different wide reciever in the pre season. Now with a consisten QB, maybe Ginn will get near or surpass Edwards sophmore years stats.

Edwards third year was his Breakout year. He had 80 catches, over 1200 yards recieving, and 16 TD's. He finally had his consistent QB after one year previously working with him. Edwards was a pro bowler.

WHAT IS DORS TRYING TO SAY????

Why is it that people are so critical of Ginn after just one season? Ginn had similar stats to Edwards rookie year, which seems to me a very good sign. Ginn now has a Good QB under center, who can get him the ball, as did Anderson for Edwards toward the end of his 2nd year. Its the third year when Recievers begin to blossom in this league. Edwards did so in his third year with Anderson. Ginn could do also if Pennington will start another year after this year. Give Ginn time and be patient. He seems to have the potential.Get off his back and lets get the season jumpstarted on Sunday!!!!!!!!!


People are critical because he hasn't changed his flaws. He is doing much of the same things he did last year. People expect a 2nd year player that was taken that high to show a bit more. And when you see other rookies that play same position doing more for their prospective teams. It just boils down to the fact that alot of people are disappointed that Miami picked a guy like Ginn that high when he was a reach or a project to begin with.

I will admit I did not like the Ginn pick . And I was not terribly impressed by him last year. And this year looks to be alot of the same crap so far. The coaches have even tried to help him. Personally I have been thinking we would have been better off with a more polished receiver or another player at a different position.
 
Take a look at Royal in his first game in the NFL last night..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jITqHgWFFf4

The guy looked shifty, he looked poised, he looked sure of himself and confident, he had great body control (unlike Ginn who looks goofy like a stick in the form of a gazelle).. Royal wasn't scared to take a punt with a guy right next to him, then went straight ahead and dodged 5 people. He played with BALLS, something Ginn never does. And Royal was a 2nd round pick not the 9th overall.

Royal actually had the common sense to adjust when 3 people were around him, he got IN FRONT of the DB's making himself a nice target for the QB, and went into an open spot (as you can see in the last play of the video)-- something Ginn never does.

Royal knows how to create separation with his quickness, shiftiness and brains, Ginn doesn't. And when have you ever seen Ginn make turns like that ? Ginn's hips are too stiff to make quick shifty turns like that. He is only good for running in a straight line. And when corners know that, he is way easier to defend.

Now ROYAL is a player, not an idiot like Ginn who doesn't even have the common sense to not go behind a cornerback like he did ALL day yesterday.. For christs sakes in high school they teach you to go IN FRONT of the corner.. I saw Ginn purposely go behind the corner when coming across numerous times yesterday. Ginn is a stupid player.

Royal >>>>>> Ginn
 
I find it funny how EVERY guy we draft(especially in early rounds) gets sweated so much around here, and even if they play like **** for a while, you get a large contention of people who homer up on them so big(Beck, Satele, J.Allen, etc etc etc). You can bring up guys that have been total garbage like Beck and Allen and you always hear, give them time, give them time, it takes 3 years and so on. But, for some reason Ginn can just be called a total bust? I dont get it.

First of all, Ginn has at least shown some flashes of being a great talent. Secondly, look at the QBs this guy dealt with last year.....Green who had a decent arm but, only played for Ginn's first 5 games and he wasnt even starting....then Lemon and Beck who are two of the worst QBs in the history of the league. And yet, Ginn started looking like he improved during Lemon's 2nd go around.

Now he is ONE ****ING GAME into the season with finally having an at least avg. QB who dosent have a full plethera or routes in his arm. Granted Ginn didnt play well and needs to do better. He even made some bad mistakes running behind his defender when he needed to be in front. But, its his first game as a starter with a real QB. AND he happened to be up against IMHO, one of the best 5 corners in the league in Revis. Give the guy a break. And he dosent even have any other receivers to compliment him. The coaches made inactive the only other guy who has done anything in the league in Wilford.

I dont want to sound like an apologist like Beck homers are...but, come on. Give the kid a chance to show if he is capable of improving week to week. If he is horrible all year long, then we might start giving some merit, or at least consider discussing the bust debate. One game. And its not as if he was John Beck horrible out there.
 
Give Ginn time to develop at the hardest position to transition into at the next level? Hell no! We don't do sound reasoning around here.


I did not know Ginn was a qb. Wr is not the hardest position and tell that to Desean Jackson and Eddie Royal
 
People are critical because he hasn't changed his flaws. He is doing much of the same things he did last year. People expect a 2nd year player that was taken that high to show a bit more. And when you see other rookies that play same position doing more for their prospective teams. It just boils down to the fact that alot of people are disappointed that Miami picked a guy like Ginn that high when he was a reach or a project to begin with.

I will admit I did not like the Ginn pick . And I was not terribly impressed by him last year. And this year looks to be alot of the same crap so far. The coaches have even tried to help him. Personally I have been thinking we would have been better off with a more polished receiver or another player at a different position.

How can you say he is doing all the same things as last year? He's only played one game. Lets wait for a larger sample size before we start talking about whether he has made progress. The first game of the season is a ridiculous way to judge a player.
 
must be nice to have Cutler or Mcnabb or better yet a qb who has been in his system for longer than a month a some change.
being a WR you depend on your qb and your other Wr's.
 
Give Ginn time to develop at the hardest position to transition into at the next level? Hell no! We don't do sound reasoning around here.

I DID NOT KNOW Ginn was a Qb. That is bull that receivers are the hardest transition.
 
How can you say he is doing all the same things as last year? He's only played one game. Lets wait for a larger sample size before we start talking about whether he has made progress. The first game of the season is a ridiculous way to judge a player.

Yeah one game in the season and look at all of his mistakes. His special teams skill is supposed to be his bread and butter. But all I have seen so far. Is the butter or is that sputter. I get those confused. And yes I know it's only been one game . So how many games did he play last year? You would think he would be trying to improve himself . But in this one game I saw the hesitation that I saw last year.

And no I do not put the bl;ame on Pennington. I do not think Pennington has a strong arm. But he made great decisions with the ball. Ginn is a wide receiver/punt/kick return guy. Now as a wide receiver your main job is to get open. I did not see that. What I want to see in a wide receiver is what many of us want to see out of a guy. Some one who can get off the line and be physical. Ginn hasn't done that. At least not yet. He just seems to scared. And that is why we are not high on him just yet.
 
So Critical of Ginn...why?

I'll tell you why....first he wasn't the best receiver coming out that draft...in fact he may not be the 2nd or 3rd best. The Dolphins bought into receiver because of family ties...not because they did their homework.

Ginn has great straight line speed...but he can't turn to save his life...it just takes too long for him to get up to that speed. The best receivers are quick...they have to have fast feet....Ginn does not have that quality...anyone who has watched him at returns can see that...he doesn't have the moves to make anyone miss him...thats why most teams will cover him man to man with their best corner and take him out of a game.

Ginn has had two preseasons and one full season to show what he can do....you don't take a guy with the 9th pick and HOPE he can be productive in the future.

There's a lot of things a player can do in college and get away with...Ginn is a perfect example of this...in college he may face one or two players with decent speed in a game...in the NFL...every player is faster and stronger than what you'll find in college.

The ONLY position he can play as a receiver is in the slot...away from the best corners...and that will only happen when the Dolphins acquire a real primary receiver.
 
must be nice to have Cutler or Mcnabb or better yet a qb who has been in his system for longer than a month a some change.
being a WR you depend on your qb and your other Wr's.


Im sorry i forgot all the pro bowl receivers that Mcnabb has created lol.
 
I love these arguments on how it's the QBs fault they dont get passes or it was this or that.

Ginn has been an barely above average returner.. remember.. thats what he was drafted for? definately no Hester... thats for sure.

He has NEVER been in the same league as Edwards as far as receiving talents go. Edwards is a go to guy now for the Browns. Ginn... well we still don't know what we've got.

I agree.. it's only his second year, but the light better start coming on as the season progresses.

Ginn get lots of flack because of his draft position. Thats life. If he can take the money he can take the heat. He doesn't need to be protected from people on this board.

But for example. The final play of the game. I am constantly running in my mind he made no attempt at the ball. NONE. Didn't even attempt to knock it away. That bothers me. There were a few kick offs he could've fielded with tons of room ahead.. but the speedster couldn't catch up to the ball to catch it.. or even fair catch it? we lost 10-15yds alone on him not fielding those kicks.

we've been a bad team for so long it's easy to become complacent in mediocrity. we've also been spoiled from the past. But we much always understand the process, and yet understand that time stands still for no-one. There comes a time where he needs to show it on the field. Not in one game... for over a season. Then I'll get excited. And currently only one offensive player has proven himself over a 16 game season.. and thats RW.
 
The Ted Ginn pick was not a good one, that much is obvious, he was a big time reach for a regime that was in way over their head. He will never live up to his #9 status. That being said, he can still be a useful player if used right, and just forget about his draft status.
 
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