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So, I Think The "Three Year Plan" is Done.

Built2Win said:
if we lose to denver or washington at home to orton and beck i think the fan base will lose it
and tony would be ousted those are most wins for the FO
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hate to say it. but wouldnt that be great? lol. im glad we didnt get orton. the one thing when its all said and done is that these guys didnt handicap us moving forward. there are virtually no bad contracts left on this roster. we wouldnt have been happy with orton either if he was here and thats why ireland didnt trade for him. hes not a franchise qb. even if he was an upgrade on henne - which they werent sure he was. that faith may be rewarded well see.

i want to say this ive been very critical of sparano and ireland in many ways. but there is alot that ireland especially has actually gotten correct. it hasnt been all bad. sparano as well. was willing to bring in nolan. brought in daboll. good moves. i just dont think hes a great coach is all. and ireland has found talent, and seems like without parcells he might have been a little better off. overall with what they had to work with i dont think it was a bad draft. i believe it was another mishap to not grab mallett when he fell and plug him in to the system. its those things that drive me nuts. the back end of the roster stuff - the not building a roster for the pats to matchup defensively especially.

but one thing they do deserve credit for is that with their jobs on the line they didnt change the plan. and this does deserve some props. we are in good shape moving forward for the most part.
 
tay0365 said:
:lol: Yes, your thinking on the matter is a bit Lopsided.
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Trust me your not the only person laughing at your posts

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shouright said:
Two problems with that argument: 1) if a coach wins a Super Bowl, his original team is more likely to keep him, thus making it less likely he'll even have the chance to win a Super Bowl with another, and 2) winning a Super Bowl is highly unlikely in the first place, as evidenced by the number of coaches who've never even won one with one team.

Those factors make the finding meaningless IMO. With only 40 some-odd Super Bowls in history, the odds are much more in favor of the fact that no coach would've won one with two separate teams. I don't think it says a thing at all about "coaching," per se.
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I wasn't trying to say anything about coaching per se. A Super Bowl winning coach is not only skilled, he's fortunate. He generally found himself in a perfect storm to succeed. That's the point. Sean Payton won a Super Bowl last year because Nick Saban wouldn't budge on giving Brees an extra $3 mil.. Payton can coach, especially offense, but without Brees, he probably would have been unemployed 2-years ago. If Payton goes on to coach another team, and history says that he'll probably be fired, or have a falling out with ownership and he'll certainly get another job. Second time around he's not likely to have Drew Brees.

Cowher was in a perfect situation in Pittsburgh. He's not going to duplicate that here. Even if he could still muster the intensity that was his trademark (and that's just not certain with the death of his wife and his time away from the game), it's doubtful he's got Kevin Colbert drafting his players and Dick LeBeau designing his defenses. Remember, for all of Cowher's greatness, he couldn't get the ring until he was fortunate enough to get his franchise quarterback. That's a lot of good fortune for a man to replicate. We saw with Bill Parcells the law of diminishing returns. With the Giants he had George Young (previously with the Dolphins) picking his players and Belichick designing his defenses. He had a once in a lifetime defensive player. He just couldn't replicate all those factors in his other jobs. That's really the point with the Super Bowl coaches. You need more than skill, you must have a degree of good fortune that has a very low probability of happening again. As you pointed out, the probabliltiy of a coach ever winning a Super Bowl is low, the probability of him replicating all the necessary factors in 2 unrelated situations is even more unlikely.
 
The problem with hightempo's post is that he is not considering Tom Brady or the lockout. The hooded one was a 5-13 coach before Brady. Think about that fact for a moment. Yes, Tom Brady is that good. The Reason everyone is so high on Brady and the Patriots is because every analyst understands that consistency of offensive scheme and Brady are a deadly combination after the lockout. The impressive thing is what Henne and Daboll accomplished with the lockout. You are not giving them enough credit. I give Sparano credit for changing offensive strategy and hiring Daboll.
 
FinHopeful said:
The problem with hightempo's post is that he is not considering Tom Brady or the lockout. The hooded one was a 5-13 coach before Brady. Think about that fact for a moment. Yes, Tom Brady is that good. The Reason everyone is so high on Brady and the Patriots is because every analyst understands that consistency of offensive scheme and Brady are a deadly combination after the lockout. The impressive thing is what Henne and Daboll accomplished with the lockout. You are not giving them enough credit. I give Sparano credit for changing offensive strategy and hiring Daboll.
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i certainly agree with this. i dont know where i would have said otherwise
 
hightempo said:
or perhaps yours is. maybe u can follow sparanos career into oblivion with him after hes gone. we could give these guys 10 years its NOT GOING TO MATTER!!! sparano is not anything more than an average coach, and thats giving him credit. how much proof do u need?????? mondays performance is no indication???? give me a break. its a symptom of the problem. this isnt year 1. these things continue to be an issue under under sparano. 4th down fade? remember the fade to bess last year? new guy same call. how??? why??? its happened already! why wasnt it corrected??? spreading out not running the ball on 3rd or 4th and less than one? not even threatening run? happened already. weve been through this.

and was that not a HISTORICALLY BAD defensive performance? lets put this in perspective. this defense that everybody ran their zipper about being soooooo good just gave up 700 YARDS! do i have to repeat that???? 700. what is so hard to get???

first game of the year - divisional opponent. perfect opportunity. he didnt have his defense prepared. he didnt have his pulse on the team. he let them buy the hype. and this ****ty defense didnt turn the ball over last year either. until they creat turnovers, until they create plays. it doesnt matter how many yards they give up! THEY STILL SUCK!

guess what - they havent gotten it done. they didnt get it done last year. we were 7-9. GREAT defenses dont go 7-9 even with terrible offenses. he let these guys buy the hype, and its a joke.

poor rosters decisions, poor upgrades at postions of weakness, and lack of depth - even with options. didnt have his team ready. didnt have a plan to beat that offense. jason taylor doesnt even mention his name of good coaches hes played for. previous player and current players clowning him???? that NEVER HAPPENS. yet its happening. marshall even questioned his approach to the game early last year in the media.

how much evidence do u need dude??? we keep this guy and we are also rans for 10 years. it doesnt matter how much talent they find he is the "tony romo" of coaches. this team quit at the end of last year also. come on man, get real
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We will see, just like the Henne haters are having to keep quiet for a bit, hopefully the "Lets yet again change the HC, and start over again" gang will eventually sit back and clean the foaming from the mouth for a bit.

If Henne fails, we will replace him, if Sparano fails, we will also replace him, but I will continue to root for both of them to succeed, because it make my team better.
 
WesternNYDolfan said:
I don't think you guys realize how ridiculous this performance was by Brady; I don't really see them being stopped by many defenses this year.
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Exactly. he's the best the league has seen since Montana & Marino. He is so very accurate that he turns has beens like Moss back into stars, and makes Welker one on the most dangerous WR in the league.

Give the man credit.

I still hate him thou
 
FinHopeful said:
The problem with hightempo's post is that he is not considering Tom Brady or the lockout. The hooded one was a 5-13 coach before Brady. Think about that fact for a moment. Yes, Tom Brady is that good. The Reason everyone is so high on Brady and the Patriots is because every analyst understands that consistency of offensive scheme and Brady are a deadly combination after the lockout. The impressive thing is what Henne and Daboll accomplished with the lockout. You are not giving them enough credit. I give Sparano credit for changing offensive strategy and hiring Daboll.
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Bill Belicheck made a huge and brave decision to stick with Brady over Bledsoe, considering Bledsoe had just signed a highly lucrative contract with the Pats.

Remember at this time Bledsoe was extremely popular with the fans, players and owner. As well as being a very good QB for the Pats.

I would say given BB's situation at the time the other 31 NFL coaches would have gone with Bledsoe.
 
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