So if we get the number 1 pick, what are we doing to do with him? Torture him?

[dolfan_101]

Maybe I didn't make it clear but my whole point of this thread is to outline that regardless of who we draft. That guy will come to a team that is damaged enough to cause him harm. Your expectation is that we get a qb and we are gonna win automatically from what it sounds like. Are you freaking serious dude? This isn't Matt Ryan coming to a team with talented players, or Flacco coming to a team with talented players. I am for drafting a Qb or the best player available, but I am not optimistic our franchise will get anywhere. So my point of my argument is that even though we acquire a qb, our team is not going to go any further with all of these issues. We'll be seeing our nice prince on his back half of time with these horrible coaches we have under our wing. So this is more about expectations that are not right. Yes if we draft the guy our team will be better at one position. However, if you are setting yourself for that expectation then you are going
to be even more hurt when nothing works out.

With a new competent regime this shouldn't be the case..

 

[PeterNorth]

Maybe I didn't make it clear but my whole point of this thread is to outline that regardless of who we draft. That guy will come to a team that is damaged enough to cause him harm. Your expectation is that we get a qb and we are gonna win automatically from what it sounds like. Are you freaking serious dude? This isn't Matt Ryan coming to a team with talented players, or Flacco coming to a team with talented players. I am for drafting a Qb or the best player available, but I am not optimistic our franchise will get anywhere. So my point of my argument is that even though we acquire a qb, our team is not going to go any further with all of these issues. We'll be seeing our nice prince on his back half of time with these horrible coaches we have under our wing. So this is more about expectations that are not right. Yes if we draft the guy our team will be better at one position. However, if you are setting yourself for that expectation then you are going
to be even more hurt when nothing works out.

Who the hell ever said the team has to be an instant playoff contender if they draft Luck or another QB in round 1 next year? The point is, QB is by far the most important position in the sport, and it is now more crucial than ever to have an upper echelon one if you want to achieve sustained success. Only a complete ignoramus would advocate passing on a once every 20 years type of prospect because the other pieces aren't in place yet. There will be drafts and free agency periods after 2012, ya know. They have neglected QB for going on 12 years now. I seriously cannot believe people are even questioning taking a potential franchise QB at this point. It seems a lot of people do not grasp that there is a world of difference between 0-4 with hope for the future and 0-4 with a completely moribund franchise stuck in a cycle of futility.

 

[Spesh]

So you are setting yourself the expectation that this team would be 4-0 because of one position? This team is pretty bad dude if you look at it. This includes our quarterback position of course.

Why not? The Colts are proving themselves to be a inferior team without their franchise quarterback. When he is in, they regularly win 11-12 games a year and are in Superbowl contention. They usually start each season undefeated. When he is out, they cannot win a game.
The Seahawks have dumped multiple first rounders and at least 1 second rounder into their offensive line. They brought in a great wideout. But they still have crap quarterback play and are 1-3.

All of our little mistakes, like Marshall dropping a pass or Columbo giving up a sack would not be such a big deal if we had a quarterback capable of breaking a game open(or at the very least one capable of converting third downs and scoring in the redzone). As it stands now, if we make a mistake or two we might as well go back to the locker room. When Green Bay makes a mistake or two, they still put up +30 points a game.

Fixing one position can take a subpar team into the playoffs. And that position isn't right tackle. Thats how important good quarterback play is.

 

[Built2Win]

Our offensive line has more questions than than ever before in the last couple of years. Other than Jake Long and Pouncey, there is no one
out there that is expected to give a solid effort in any given sunday. Fasano is another player who shows up for one game and is never to be
found after that performance once every season. After his great performance a few weeks ago I am not really going to expect to see him again.

Then as sad as I feel about this, Marshall has been dropping passes that should never be dropped in the first place. The rest of our receivers are more
dependent on the equal distribution of offense across key positions such as the success of our quarterback and receiver. Our running back position is
another position that has some pretty solid question marks. Daniel Thomas when he plays he has shown to run through the tackles just fine. One thing
that I am worried is about his ability to stay healthy. Not a great situation for a rookie qb to step in for sure.

Then we have our defensive issues. We can't apply pressure up front, and our linebackers as a group play very inconsistent. We seem to have trouble covering some of the underneath routes and it has become a very nice target for quarterbacks. Other than wake and Karlos, I am not too optimistic about the 2 other positions. This is a defense where you need to have 4 linebackers than can play the run and play the pass efficiently. Then our defensive backs are probably the worst starting 4 of all the teams out there.

*4 out 6 positions on the offensive line have big question marks
*Questionable running game
*3 out of 4 positions on our defensive backfield are not looking very well
*2 out of 4 linebacker positions are questionable
*Average play in our defensive line

It would be tough to stomach coming into the league and joining this mess. This team needs a major overhaul from a coaching and management standpoint. This is why a guy like Tony and Ireland should not be taking a hold of this franchise anymore. They had a while to fix the issue already. Coming to this situation is torture for any rookie qb. This isn't Big Ben joining an already good steelers squad, or Joe Flacco joining a pretty solid team. Or Matt Ryan joining a talented offense. This is Luck joining an offense with more questions than a murder scene.

Thats why if i have the #1 pick i would maybe trade with another team and get their whole draft
plus get barkley so i got a good qb in the draft and all the other holes get filled..

the other team would have to trade a lot though maybe 2 drafts for luck..

 

[tylerdolphin]

Maybe I didn't make it clear but my whole point of this thread is to outline that regardless of who we draft. That guy will come to a team that is damaged enough to cause him harm. Your expectation is that we get a qb and we are gonna win automatically from what it sounds like. Are you freaking serious dude? This isn't Matt Ryan coming to a team with talented players, or Flacco coming to a team with talented players. I am for drafting a Qb or the best player available, but I am not optimistic our franchise will get anywhere. So my point of my argument is that even though we acquire a qb, our team is not going to go any further with all of these issues. We'll be seeing our nice prince on his back half of time with these horrible coaches we have under our wing. So this is more about expectations that are not right. Yes if we draft the guy our team will be better at one position. However, if you are setting yourself for that expectation then you are going
to be even more hurt when nothing works out.

I dont see why we couldnt be competitive quickly with a new coaching staff and a better QB. I really dont. We probably wont make the playoffs, but we would at least look like a NFL team. We have good enough receivers and have a few good pieces on the line to work with. A couple solid FA signings there are we are OK. Our offense would almost immediately be improved with Luck. By the next year, Henne would be an afterthought.

Ill ask again. How many teams with legitimate franchise QBs have crappy years? They pretty much dont. The QB covers up a lot of the rest of the team's failings.

 

[Phins28]

Let me understand this thread, you can get a franchise QB but you can't improve in other areas? ok I get it.

 

[juniorseau55]

I dont see why we couldnt be competitive quickly with a new coaching staff and a better QB. I really dont. We probably wont make the playoffs, but we would at least look like a NFL team. We have good enough receivers and have a few good pieces on the line to work with. A couple solid FA signings there are we are OK. Our offense would almost immediately be improved with Luck. By the next year, Henne would be an afterthought.

Ill ask again. How many teams with legitimate franchise QBs have crappy years? They pretty much dont. The QB covers up a lot of the rest of the team's failings.

Thats your problem right there. You are setting yourself up for failure from the get go. You are questioning why we couldn't be competitive quickly with a new coaching staff and a better qb. Sure those are huge problems and you and I know that is true. If you look at our team as far as talent then we got talent but we are not a talented as we really think we are. We are not 1 position away from being relevant. We are about 10 starting positions overall from being competitive. In addition to a new coaching staff and new management. This team is probably as good as the Detroit Lions were when they sucked pretty bad.

 

[juniorseau55]

Let me understand this thread, you can get a franchise QB but you can't improve in other areas? ok I get it.

How about getting out of the fantasy that we are 1 position away from contention. I wouldn't want to start the player the first year with a horrible offense such as ours.

 

[PeterNorth]

I disagree. This team has quite a bit more talent than the Lions circa 2008. Talent alone doesn't always equate to wins, obviously, but the Dolphins are simply not that​ awful.

 

[Phins28]

How about getting out of the fantasy that we are 1 position away from contention. I wouldn't want to start the player the first year with a horrible offense such as ours.

I know this team have holes but we can improve in other areas in year 1, with the right coaching and personel decisions he can be decent in his first year.

 

[Spesh]

How about getting out of the fantasy that we are 1 position away from contention. I wouldn't want to start the player the first year with a horrible offense such as ours.

Chances of finding pro-bowl offensive lineman in later rounds is much higher then our chances of finding pro-bowl quarterbacks.

Again, its amazing what this regime has done to its fans. There are other ways to fix our holes than burning first round picks. There aren't any other(reasonable) way to fix our quarterback position.

 

[tylerdolphin]

Thats your problem right there. You are setting yourself up for failure from the get go. You are questioning why we couldn't be competitive quickly with a new coaching staff and a better qb. Sure those are huge problems and you and I know that is true. If you look at our team as far as talent then we got talent but we are not a talented as we really think we are. We are not 1 position away from being relevant. We are about 10 starting positions overall from being competitive. In addition to a new coaching staff and new management. This team is probably as good as the Detroit Lions were when they sucked pretty bad.

Again, which teams with legitimate franchise caliber QBs suck?

 

[dolpns13]

I dont care if we had the ultimate worst OL in the league. I want that first pick to be a QB.. Enough of this glaring hole we have had for 20 years! An elite QB with a bad OL will win games. An elite OL with a bad QB will not.

 

[juniorseau55]

Again, which teams with legitimate franchise caliber QBs suck?

Which teams that suck as a whole suck because of 1 position? I respect your opinion that our team will suddenly get better in other areas that have nothing to do with offense but I refuse to agree to it.

 

[rickd13]

Thats your problem right there. You are setting yourself up for failure from the get go. You are questioning why we couldn't be competitive quickly with a new coaching staff and a better qb. Sure those are huge problems and you and I know that is true. If you look at our team as far as talent then we got talent but we are not a talented as we really think we are. We are not 1 position away from being relevant. We are about 10 starting positions overall from being competitive. In addition to a new coaching staff and new management. This team is probably as good as the Detroit Lions were when they sucked pretty bad.

This team has much more talent than Atlanta had when Matt Ryan got there and turned their franchise around. It will take a rookie QB more than one season to propel most teams to a legitimate playoff contender, but if he is truly a franchise QB, it shouldn't take much time to turn things around.