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So Much More Than TANNEHILL !

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It really is disheartening that Philbin won't commit in front of the press that Tannehill is the QB of this team. He is weak! Matt Moore is not the answer to this team. Give me a break. Tannehill has not played great the last game or two but there is so much more than his performance that has led to the losses. The play calling on both sides of the ball have been head scratching at times. The interior o line is not very good. The receivers have dropped some passes. The defense has been awful at times. Hopefully it takes a turn with Misi and R. Jones returning. We are still missing our starting center, LB and safety. That is no excuse but it definitely hurts. The special teams has been terrible in coverage. Yesterday our defense was BAD. We have to start the game fast and that has not happened yet.

We can not give up on Tannehill already. Give me a break. We are 1-2 going into a very winnable game to get to 2-2. We then have a bye. We then get R. jones and hopefully Misi back. We have to look at the whole picture. I have seen the Saints go 1-2 and play a really close game with bad Vikings team without AP. I doubt they are wanting to bench Drew Brees. I have seen Tom Brady not play very well so far this yr. This division is not that strong this yr. We are far from out of the race. 49ers are 1-2 and Kaepernick threw 3 int against Bears. He is not being benched. Philbin step up and say Tannehill is the qb of our team and we are all going to get this going and we are going to win ball games. You should be ashamed. Last week everyone was saying we are in trouble now with our running game and Lamar Miller is terrible. Lamar Miller ran for 100+ yds on like 12 carries. He is a very talented rb that needs the chance to show what he has got. Ryan Tannehill has got to play better no doubt but the entire team is to blame for the 1-2 start. Replacing Tannehill is a joke of a discussion right now !!
 
Im willing to give Tannehill 1 more start. I agree he isnt the only problem but he has been a major one. I have supported him from beginning but I'm down to my last thread of hope
 
let me sum it up briefly.

most teams have holes somewhere, but the difference is, with the good teams, the qbs perform well enough that it is not as noticeable.

a top notch qb covers up many holes a team may have. the qb is far and away the most important part of a team, always, and especially in todays nfl. our offense has been putrid, and the qb is the leader of our offense.

the qb needs to step his game up big time, he is what will either make or break us, its that simple.

if our offense was averaging 24 plus pts a game but we continuously were losing, then maybe you would have a pt.

aside from the 2nd half vs the pats, our offense has looked like dog ****. heck, we have scored just as many pts on offense the past 2 games as we did in the 2nd half alone vs the pats.
 
picking a guy who was mediocre in college as a qb 8th overall and expecting him to be a franchise qb is the only joke in the discussion man.
 
everyone keeps saying its only been 3 games. no it hasn't. Tannehills has had over 30 starts.
 
I'm not gonna blast RT - he is what he is. He's not NFL starter caliber. He is an exceptional athlete to get this far though. I give him that.

However, I've seen enough to know we need to move on.

It's a big decision - not like letting your SS go - but one that needs to be made quickly. Sure give all year to show what he is but next year we need to start looking barring a some miracle.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
let me sum it up briefly.

most teams have holes somewhere, but the difference is, with the good teams, the qbs perform well enough that it is not as noticeable.

a top notch qb covers up many holes a team may have. the qb is far and away the most important part of a team, always, and especially in todays nfl. our offense has been putrid, and the qb is the leader of our offense.

the qb needs to step his game up big time, he is what will either make or break us, its that simple.

if our offense was averaging 24 plus pts a game but we continuously were losing, then maybe you would have a pt.

aside from the 2nd half vs the pats, our offense has looked like dog ****. heck, we have scored just as many pts on offense the past 2 games as we did in the 2nd half alone vs the pats.
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Serious question: What do you consider a "top notch QB?" How many of them are in the league? How many teams without a top notch QB will make the playoffs this year and how do they get there?
 
There may be more than Tannehill, but the sad thing is that it is year 3 and it isn't not Tannehill. He's had a couple good games in his career, but the sad thing is that we have rarely won games because of Tannehill, and frequently lost games because of him. With everything that is wrong with this team, getting a QB who isn't inhibiting this team as much as Tannehill is with his poor situational decision making, inability to hit passes in certain areas of the field at all, and not being in the game until 2 minutes to go in the first half, has the biggest chance to make an improvement on this team. It would be different if Tannehill were backed up by Pat Devlin, but over every preseason but the one that Tannehill won a rigged QB competition Tannehill has been the second most impressive of our top two QB's, and still hasn't shown ability to make throws the other guy can make.
 
Cutthroat said:
Serious question: What do you consider a "top notch QB?" How many of them are in the league? How many teams without a top notch QB will make the playoffs this year?
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well obviously our qb is not one.

the thing is, he was drafted 8th overall, and while its not his fault where he was drafted, the fact that he was also just given the starting job right away, never needed to sit, expectations should be set much higher for him, and he has failed miserably.

what do i consider a top notch qb. well i can say the obvious answers like the rodgers, peytons, brees, luck, but heck, even a foles and wilson r good enough.

the thing that irks me the most about him is his poor pocket awareness. too many god damn sacks where he could have moved around in the pocket and at least throw the ball away.

there is just nothing as of now that he seems to do that stands out in a positive way.

with moore, not saying he is hall of fame bound by any means, but he can throw a nice deep ball, and when u have a weapon like wallace, that is vital. also, knowing that a qb can throw the deep ball, the defenses will need to respect that, and that would open our offense up imo.
 
imo, the best game tannehill has played as a fin was vs the cardinals in week 4.

yes he had 2 turnovers i believe, including getting stripped sacked in ot to lose the game, but even with the 2 turnovers, he was awesome that game imo, and when u take into account that it was only his 4th start, and he did lack weapons that year, it was a good game. also, we should have won that game, our defense totally choked allowing the cards to convert a 4th and 10 which would have ended it if we had stopped them.

other than that game, every game has been a mixed bag or just flat out bad.
 
Tannehill could have played better game yesterday and with the defense and missed FG it would have still been a LOSS !

Even if he is not the answer it is too early in the season to determine otherwise. Also this team is not going to win the division with Matt Moore all of the sudden getting the start. There are 21 other starters besides special teams that are accountable. There is a reason Matt Moore is the back up qb and not a starter for 31 other teams. Sometimes it takes a few yrs for a young qb to get it together and build chemistry. He is also with his first offensive coach not named Sherman. Give him time. Bill Lazor speaks in confidence in regards to Tannehill. We must play better as an entire team. Let's beat the Raiders , go to our bye week and get healthy and then there will not be all this ridiculous talk of going with Matt Moore. It's just too early in the season for all this talk . We all have our opinions but this is mine. Bench Brees, Kaepernick and Rodgers they are all 1-2 as well.
 
GreenMts said:
I'm not gonna blast RT - he is what he is. He's not NFL starter caliber. He is an exceptional athlete to get this far though. I give him that.

However, I've seen enough to know we need to move on.

It's a big decision - not like letting your SS go - but one that needs to be made quickly. Sure give all year to show what he is but next year we need to start looking barring a some miracle.
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I would disagree that he is not "NFL caliber" as he is coming off a top ten year and the best year a Miami QB had since Marino. He has all the physical skills that the scouts love, but it's his "between the ears" issues that are the most troubling for me. It's not that he's unintelligent--I think he blew away the Wonderlic--it's his overall decision making that is very concerning. There were times in the KC game where he should have taken off and run for an easy first down, (he's supposed to be great at that) but instead he froze and either threw into double coverage or out of bounds. There were times when he held on to the ball too long and took a sack instead of throwing it away, or was hesitant to make the quick throw into a tight window then throws it too late.

He is not a confident QB right now. Just watch some of the guys in the league who are considered big time and the common thread among them is confidence. He just doesn't have it right now. I think he had it at one time, but all the staff and system changes he's gone through, plus the o-line issues since he's been drafted have reduced him to a tentative blob of jello. I hope he can fight through it, but the important vote of confidence he didn't receive from his coach today certainly cannot help.

I'm watching that POC Geno Smith throw another INT and it's obvious Tannehill is a much much better QB, but he just isn't showing it. I'm in the kid's corner but it might actually be a good thing to yank him for Matt Moore if he continues to struggle. I'd like to see how hard he would compete to get his job back. Btw Matt Moore is a very good, CONFIDENT QB and he just might not give the spot back so easily. I think if the move is made the team will rally behind him. Either way I think Joe is still "dead man walking."
 
You stick with Tannehill rest of season. If he gets it together then great. If not then he goes along with Philbin and Coyle. It's just too early in yr to give up on them right now. Turning the season over right now to Moore does not take us to the Super Bowl.

I think we get better as season goes along. I get as frustrated as anyone and I watch every game. So far the defense upsets me more than Tannehill. Good defenses do not give up 29 and 33 points. !!!!!

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At the same time good offenses don't score 10 and 15 points but good defenses give every offense a chance to win.
 
dolphinheel said:
I would disagree that he is not "NFL caliber" as he is coming off a top ten year and the best year a Miami QB had since Marino. He has all the physical skills that the scouts love, but it's his "between the ears" issues that are the most troubling for me. It's not that he's unintelligent--I think he blew away the Wonderlic--it's his overall decision making that is very concerning. There were times in the KC game where he should have taken off and run for an easy first down, (he's supposed to be great at that) but instead he froze and either threw into double coverage or out of bounds. There were times when he held on to the ball too long and took a sack instead of throwing it away, or was hesitant to make the quick throw into a tight window then throws it too late.

He is not a confident QB right now. Just watch some of the guys in the league who are considered big time and the common thread among them is confidence. He just doesn't have it right now. I think he had it at one time, but all the staff and system changes he's gone through, plus the o-line issues since he's been drafted have reduced him to a tentative blob of jello. I hope he can fight through it, but the important vote of confidence he didn't receive from his coach today certainly cannot help.

I'm watching that POC Geno Smith throw another INT and it's obvious Tannehill is a much much better QB, but he just isn't showing it. I'm in the kid's corner but it might actually be a good thing to yank him for Matt Moore if he continues to struggle. I'd like to see how hard he would compete to get his job back. Btw Matt Moore is a very good, CONFIDENT QB and he just might not give the spot back so easily. I think if the move is made the team will rally behind him. Either way I think Joe is still "dead man walking."
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Best QB year since Marino? That would be Chad Pennington's 2008, thank you.
 
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