So, should we have Sucked for Luck?

[X-Pacolypse]

Back during the season, in Sept, Oct, Nov, many fans got insulted at the thought of SUCK FOR LUCK. However, now the Colts will go from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. How awesome for them. Meanwhile, we went from potentially the #1 pick and Andrew Luck, and Bill Cowher/Gruden as HC, to the #8 pick, no Brandon Marshall, not even a shot at RG3, and going into rebuilding mode once again.


This thread has a poll. How many of you think we should have just sucked for luck?

Yes, without question. Those few wins did nothing in terms of helping the franchise.

 

[tay0365]

Russell Maryland, Dallas Cowboys....Success came more because one all the Picks they got thatnks to the Vikings, not because of one #1 draft pick.

Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots.....You could call that more coaching then player, what happened to the team once both Bills left?

Keyshawn Johnson, New York Jets.......He was so great, they let him go, and he was never elite, other then in his head.

Orlando Pace, St. Louis Rams.....Many year in the league he smelled a playoffs until a certain QB from the Arena league helped him.

PEYTON F'N MANNING!!!........He is an elite player, and still it took almost 10 years before he finally won a SB.

Michael Vick, Atlanta Falcons.....Those Falcon teams will inconsistant.

Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals......Ditto for those Bengal teams.

Eli Manning, New York Giants....Many years of waiting and hearing Giant fans complain about Eli, before finally he helped win a SB.

Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions......Injury prone, and the Lions are inconsistant.


And that was just the past 20 years!

More examples:
Troy Aikman....See Russell Maryland.

Bruce Smith....The Bills did not instantly become competitive the moment Bruce came aboard, trading and picking up good players, with finally getting a better HC helped a lot.

John Elway....Elway did not go to his original team, he want to a team that was more established, and still needed his whole career, before he finally won a SB.

Irving Fryar (if we just talk about getting to the Super Bowl)....The Patriots took him, and he did little for them.

Earl Campbell.....The Oilers took him, he was great, but as far as playoffs and SB, he also did little.

Ed "Too Tall" Jones......Took way more then him to make the Cowboys competitive.

Terry Bradshaw......He was not the reason they made the playoffs and won SB, more like hitting on other drafts picks...do you know in 1 year they drafted 3-4 HOFers....one draft.

Paul Hornung....Sure, their HC had nothing to do with their success, it was Paul.


Guys, I agree that we could use Luck, but losing on purpose is not the way to succeed. When a team has a losing mentality, it is very tough to change,

 

[fishfanmiami]

We've already done that several years in a row ... the answer is 7-9, 7-9, 6-10 !! Couple rabbits don't help!!

Cann't agrue with that but free agency has not been our down fall. Coaching yes , poor QB play yes , drafting yes. Free agency is the only thing they are good at.

 

[tay0365]

Really Electro I love the avatar but do you really want to root for a team that intentionally loses does any team really do that?

Exactly, and especially how many around here go crazy when Miami loses 2 in a row (They hate the Dolphins, will be rooting for another team), but still want to see them lose 16 in a row.

 

[fishfanmiami]

Guys, I agree that we could use Luck, but losing on purpose is not the way to succeed. When a team has a losing mentality, it is very tough to change,

Well said . Man you guys are fast with the stats. You have to really do your research to post here. Impressive.

 

[H4wt Pocket]

No...we really needed those 6 wins. :rolleyes2:

I know some people are going to say "No" and be completely serious, but I don't understand why. You won't remember those 6 meaningless wins, but you sure as hell will remember missing on Luck or RG3 if either of them live up to their hype.

 

[fishfanmiami]

Exactly, and especially how many around here go crazy when Miami loses 2 in a row (They hate the Dolphins, will be rooting for another team), but still want to see them lose 16 in a row.

That logic escaped me also. I for one was happy the way last years team finished the season with 6 and 3 record.
If you were rooting for the Jets to beat us so we move up in the draft that's on you.

 

[Clipse]

Really Electro I love the avatar but do you really want to root for a team that intentionally loses does any team really do that?

Sure do. It's the quickest way to becoming a winning team in the NFL, as well as the NBA. Being mediocre is the absolute worst spot you can be in.

 

[Semedi]

That late season run vs those awful opponents got me as depressed and numb with this team as I have ever been.

Really perfectly said. I've never cared about the Dolphins less than when they started winning last season. I've been a die hard fan for a damn long time now, but watching them put up meaningless wins absolutely crushed my spirit with the knowledge of what it would lead to. More mediocrity.

 

[DevilInPgh]

Russell Maryland, Dallas Cowboys....Success came more because one all the Picks they got thatnks to the Vikings, not because of one #1 draft pick.

Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots.....You could call that more coaching then player, what happened to the team once both Bills left?

Keyshawn Johnson, New York Jets.......He was so great, they let him go, and he was never elite, other then in his head.

Orlando Pace, St. Louis Rams.....Many year in the league he smelled a playoffs until a certain QB from the Arena league helped him.

PEYTON F'N MANNING!!!........He is an elite player, and still it took almost 10 years before he finally won a SB.

Michael Vick, Atlanta Falcons.....Those Falcon teams will inconsistant.

Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals......Ditto for those Bengal teams.

Eli Manning, New York Giants....Many years of waiting and hearing Giant fans complain about Eli, before finally he helped win a SB.

Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions......Injury prone, and the Lions are inconsistant.


And that was just the past 20 years!

More examples:
Troy Aikman....See Russell Maryland.

Bruce Smith....The Bills did not instantly become competitive the moment Bruce came aboard, trading and picking up good players, with finally getting a better HC helped a lot.

John Elway....Elway did not go to his original team, he want to a team that was more established, and still needed his whole career, before he finally won a SB.

Irving Fryar (if we just talk about getting to the Super Bowl)....The Patriots took him, and he did little for them.

Earl Campbell.....The Oilers took him, he was great, but as far as playoffs and SB, he also did little.

Ed "Too Tall" Jones......Took way more then him to make the Cowboys competitive.

Terry Bradshaw......He was not the reason they made the playoffs and won SB, more like hitting on other drafts picks...do you know in 1 year they drafted 3-4 HOFers....one draft.

Paul Hornung....Sure, their HC had nothing to do with their success, it was Paul.


Guys, I agree that we could use Luck, but losing on purpose is not the way to succeed. When a team has a losing mentality, it is very tough to change,

Hey, you asked for teams that had some form of success within 5 years of drafting #1 (that is, making the playoffs), and I gave it to you. Not my problem if the teams were inconsistent afterwards or they won because of, gasp, TEAMWORK!!!!

 

[fishfanmiami]

Hey, you asked for teams that had some form of success within 5 years of drafting #1 (that is, making the playoffs), and I gave it to you. Not my problem if the teams were inconsistent afterwards or they won because of, gasp, TEAMWORK!!!!

amazing. who needs wikipetia. good job bro.

 

[DevilInPgh]

amazing. who needs wikipetia. good job bro.

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Obviously me, because that's where I got my information.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Detroit Lions '09, Houston Texans '06, San Diego Chargers '04, Cincinnati Bengals '03, Atlanta Falcons '01, and my favorite example, Indianapolis Colts '98. Note: most of them used the pick on QB.

Print this post out and ****ing frame it, because it is the truth.

 

[WVDolphan]

Matt Ryan.

 

[Gonzo]

You went as far as 98 to show success, of which they were the only team to evantually win a SB and the only reason they ended up winning a superbowl almost 10 years later, is because they lucked out on actually getting a franchise QB. Chargers, Lions, Bengals are all still inconsistant. Texans only last year finally reached the playoffs, and as far as the Falcons, well their so called great QB is starting to not have the great talent he had around him before, so he will have to put the team on his shoulders, which will prove finally to everyone hopefully why not taking him as you overall #1 pick, was one of the few smart moves every made by an organization that had Parcells.

Would I want Luck, absolutely, but not at the cost of losing on purpose, and for an entire season, anyone that has played any type of sport know how tough it is to come back from a season that you were horrible.

I went to '98 just because of Manning Mania. Funny thing is, they're more likely to win another Super Bowl before we are able to win one. I'd be happy to take bets on that. Sig bets anybody? A Luck-led Colts team winning a SB before the Phins.

You asked for teams that were competitive the next year or within 5 years. Every single one I mentioned fit that criteria. Every single one didn't just make the playoffs, but was competitive in them. That's something our team hasn't been in well over a decade.

As for the Falcons, I was referring to Vick. They were competitive immediately with him, then plummeted to being the second worst team in 2007 after losing him (and all the turmoil surrounding it and the coaching fiasco), behind only us (and I would argue they may have actually been worse than us). What position did they draft in 2008? Oh, right, a QB. Who has been to the playoffs repeatedly since then? The Phins? No, that's right, the Falcons. Now you can argue that they keep getting knocked out, but it's hard to take that seriously from someone that would argue that OT was the better decision, which has contributed to 3 consecutive losing seasons. Yeah, the Falcons and Ryan suck because they can't make it far in the playoffs...