So, should we have Sucked for Luck?

[tylerdolphin]

You keep bringing up next year. The Colts aren't drafting Luck to win anything next year. Stop and think for a moment. They're going to draft Luck then build around him. That's how good teams do it. That's how they did it before, when they built a team around Peyton Manning and competed damn near every year, including winning a Super Bowl. What did the Phins accomplish over the same time period? And I fully understand how much Manning lifted the talent-level of that team, because I understand that QB is by far the most important position in football. Far more important than LT.

While I enjoy the backtracking regarding competitiveness, I will agree on one thing: getting the number one pick does not guarantee success. You still need to use that pick wisely. For example, you never take an LT when a QB is available and you are in desperate need of one. You also never take a RB when one is available at the #2, but I digress... Taking a QB is always a risk, but it's always a risk worth taking. Sticking with the safe picks, which linemen usually are, guarantees continued mediocrity, at best (6-10 isn't even that).

It's still too early to judge the Lions, but they've gone from 2-14 to the playoffs and I don't see any reason, outside of potential Stafford health issues (many of which have to do with his competitiveness and willingness to play hurt when he probably shouldn't), that that team won't be a perennial playoff contender. They got their QB, surrounded him with weapons, and then built a solid defense. I don't see anything inconsistent about that.

The Houston Texans after 2006 were inconsistent? They've owned the Phins, that's for sure, but that's neither here nor there. They gave Carr one more shot and drafted Mario Willams, then moved on in 2007 to Matt Schaub. Once they had the QB settled, they began to build the team, especially the defense (noticing a theme here?) over the next couple of years. Now that they have a solid D under Wade Phillips, you still see them as being inconsistent? You don't see them winning that division again next year?

I don't really need to say anything about the Chargers since drafting Rivers. If you don't realize that the only thing that has held that potential powerhouse back is Norv Turner, well, now's not the time for football lessons. How that guy keeps his job (and continues getting head coaching jobs) is beyond me. Despite him, they still made three straight playoff appearances including a conference championship. How many playoff appearances have the Phins made in the past decade?

The Bengals are the only ones on my list that I would qualify as inconsistent. They certainly used the 1st pick properly, and gave him weapons. They even had a solid D. I can't really explain why they haven't been successful. Difficult division? Building the team with a bunch of headcases? Using the 1st pick doesn't guarantee success. You still have to make wise decisions regarding the team. But it is a HUGE stepping stone to success. They got that part right, then bombed on the rest.

The Falcons are a good example of using the 1st pick correctly twice (I'll count their use of the #2 for Matt Ryan as a 1st pick, since he should have been), but getting different results out of it. They were successful under Vick, but they failed to build anything around him. They just didn't know what to do with a player like that (plus, he was a little overrated IMO). He held that team up as much as he could and got them to the playoffs twice, but in the end, they didn't bother to build around that 1st pick.

They didn't make that same mistake with Matt Ryan. That team was in shambles in 2007. I have no idea how they won 4 games. I honestly think we could have gotten our second win if we played them. They needed a QB as badly as we did, but unlike us, they actually drafted one. They then gave him some weapons and built a D. Since then, they haven't had a losing season and have made the playoffs 3 years out of 4. They've lost to Super Bowl appearing teams each time, two of which won it. That's hardly "inconsistent." You can call him mediocre all you want, but that "mediocre" QB has led his team to the playoffs 3 times with no losing seasons while our elite LT hasn't led us to ****.

In summary, having the 1st pick doesn't guarantee you anything, you still need to use it wisely and build a team around it. Some teams get it, others don't. Further, every draft is different. People don't seem to get this. They basically think all 1st picks are the same, that every top QB in a given draft is the same as every top QB in every other draft. That's ridiculous. There hasn't been a prospect like Luck in years. Hell, since 1998. And we missed out on it. But, at least we have Matt Moore and an awesome LT (when healthy).

Great post. Would read again. Wish i could thank this more than once.

 

[tylerdolphin]

Absolutely. Other than imploding the stadium it's the most overwhelmingly beneficial option we've faced in two decades.

But we couldnt draft Luck even if we got the 1st pick because we havent filled every other hole on the team therefore Luck would suck.

/FH post.

 

[Gonzo]

I'm convinced that these people believe strongly in the Mayan predictions.

No kidding. The same people that want patience from the more critical of the fans and want to take the time to build a team are stating the Colts made a mistake by bombing because it means they won't win next year. As you say, can't explain that.

 

[Gonzo]

Mike Brown is a horrible owner and refuses to hire a real GM to make personnel decisions, so it's no surprise that they can't put the pieces together. That said, I think their biggest problem was that Carson Palmer just flat out wasn't the same guy after he got injured by Cheapo von Cheapshotten.

I think they have a similar problem in San Diego. It's inexplicable that Turner is still coaching there. I'm not even a fan of the Chargers and it annoys me. That offense could have put up insane numbers and easily made it to the Super Bowl a few times (despite some of Rivers's shortcomings), but they've been held back by that chump. As a football fan, it would have been a lot of fun to watch and it annoys me that I have been deprived of good football more than I already am as a Phins fan (and potentially stopping NE or the jests in the playoffs several years) .

 

[tay0365]

Many truely live under the fantasy that losing all your games just to get that 1 (POSSIBLE) great player will make your team great again are in for a severe let down, just like the people that love Ryan, and think that the Falcons will ever reach a superbowl will continue to not understand how it's possible that it does not happen.

By the way Gonzo, that was very well written.

 

[JCane]

Many truely live under the fantasy that losing all your games just to get that 1 (POSSIBLE) great player will make your team great again are in for a severe let down, just like the people that love Ryan, and think that the Falcons will ever reach a superbowl will continue to not understand how it's possible that it does not happen.

By the way Gonzo, that was very well written.

No people don't. No one was jumping around everywhere last season about tanking games for Cam Newton.

Andrew Luck is a rare player. He's not something that misses. Matt Ryan wasn't highly touted coming out of college until the combine and all of that stuff. Dude went third.

He may not win a Super Bowl, but I guarantee if we had Matt Ryan and the Falcons offensive weapons with Joe Philbin you guys would be declaring "this is our year" every single year.

Who is predicting us to win it this season? No one. And it's because we're not aggressive when it comes to drafting a QB.

 

[JCane]

Many truely live under the fantasy that losing all your games just to get that 1 (POSSIBLE) great player will make your team great again are in for a severe let down, just like the people that love Ryan, and think that the Falcons will ever reach a superbowl will continue to not understand how it's possible that it does not happen.

By the way Gonzo, that was very well written.

No people don't. No one was jumping around everywhere last season about tanking games for Cam Newton.

Andrew Luck is a rare player. He's not something that misses. Matt Ryan wasn't highly touted coming out of college until the combine and all of that stuff. Dude went third.

He may not win a Super Bowl, but I guarantee if we had Matt Ryan and the Falcons offensive weapons with Joe Philbin you guys would be declaring "this is our year" every single year.

Who is predicting us to win it this season? No one. And it's because we're not aggressive when it comes to drafting a QB.

 

[tay0365]

No people don't. No one was jumping around everywhere last season about tanking games for Cam Newton.

Andrew Luck is a rare player. He's not something that misses. Matt Ryan wasn't highly touted coming out of college until the combine and all of that stuff. Dude went third.

He may not win a Super Bowl, but I guarantee if we had Matt Ryan and the Falcons offensive weapons with Joe Philbin you guys would be declaring "this is our year" every single year.

Who is predicting us to win it this season? No one. And it's because we're not aggressive when it comes to drafting a QB.

I am all for being altra aggressive to get a QB you believe in, but the idea that we need to scrap an entire year just for the chance at a top qb is rediculous, and I just can't get behind that.

Maybe it's the competive part of me that hates losing, especially on purpose, but if you showed me a document that told me that without a doubt, this QB will be elite, and Miami would pick #1 overall if they lost all their games, I MIGHT go along with it (I might be the most miserable person around to talk to..worse then the last couple of year...LOL).


Problem is, #1. losing sucks for fans, #2. even if you lose all those games, you are still not Guaranteed the overall number 1 pick, and #3. Even if you do get the first pick, you are still not guarateed to get that great player you hoped for....He might stay in school (If he's still eligible), he might become injury prone or have a severe injury, or he might just never live up to that greatness.

 

[Old Timer]

Nothing is guaranteed in life except taxes and death. They happen to all of us.

But what has become of the Miami Dolphins borders on criminal, and it looks like it won't change anytime soon.

 

[Vaark]

I have a bright shiny Brooklyn Bridge (at a preferred FH member discount of course) up for bid to anyone who truly believes that fan resistance to, or repudiation of the SFL sentiment was responsible for secreting any sentient-type pheneromes prompting the team to reverse its sad fortunes and forsake its rightful draft position. As if the act of rooting for wins was the villain standing between the Fins and Luck or RG3. :idk:

Actually, if anything it was more likely the boomerang effect of Karma being its customary beyotchy self: all the active in-your-face, we're-rooting-for-you-to-lose and we're-cheering-against-you-at-the-stadium behavior was more probably what galvanized the team and motivated, prideful reasonally good professional football players to wanna use wins to symbolically shove SFL back up where the sun don't shine for exactly the opposite effect. So if anything, a fan rooting for wins probably had less influence on our resulting draft status than did SFL'ers vocally rooting for losses. If you're gonna point fingers, use a mirror!

 

[Gonzo]

I have a bright shiny Brooklyn Bridge (at a preferred FH member discount of course) up for bid to anyone who truly believes that fan resistance to, or repudiation of the SFL sentiment was responsible for secreting any sentient-type pheneromes prompting the team to reverse its sad fortunes and forsake its rightful draft position. As if the act of rooting for wins was the villain standing between the Fins and Luck or RG3. :idk:

Actually, if anything it was more likely the boomerang effect of Karma being its customary beyotchy self: all the active in-your-face, we're-rooting-for-you-to-lose and we're-cheering-against-you-at-the-stadium behavior was more probably what galvanized the team and motivated, prideful reasonally good professional football players to wanna use wins to symbolically shove SFL back up where the sun don't shine for exactly the opposite effect. So if anything, a fan rooting for wins probably had less influence on our resulting draft status than did SFL'ers vocally rooting for losses. If you're gonna point fingers, use a mirror!

You are clearly lying. That thing is neither bright nor shiny. And it's always under construction. We're going with bridge #3.

 

[scottie g]

Almost everyone applauded the new coach hiring.

It was expected he would try to bring his QB along and run a WCO.

Peyton came available and we all went goo goo about the prospects.

The dolphins are just sticking to their original plan Flynn , OL , defence.

Marshell was borderline (not the desease) anyways with his comments about our qb. The nightclub fight was just the last straw.

They may still draft a QB in the first round just not the one you guys wanted.

Save the "I told you so's" until you see the finshed product.

Play to win . Anything else is bull ****. I've said my peace. Flame away.

how can you blame anyone for not wanting a qb that all the experts say will be overdrafted almost 2 rounds,when we could of had the qb that they say is the best propect since 83 ,or at least rg3 who the whole league is going crazy over.

 

[Vaark]

You are clearly lying. That thing is neither bright nor shiny. And it's always under construction. We're going with bridge #3.

Well I was gonna run it over to the Bridge Detailer before shipping. Bridge #3? I believe you are referring to the Williamsburg; unfortunatelyit is not presently on the market. :idk:

 

[Ed Norton]

I was one of the first on board with SFL but I'm not ready to blow for Barkley this year for several reasons.

First of all I just can't go through this again it was a miserable year. Heading into last year we knew it was likely to be a disaster. Lame duck coach most of us wanted fired after the 2010 season and no real upgrade at QB although Moore turned out as good as we could have reasonably expected. We learned on draft day last year that it was pretty certain the Dolphins would suck. The 1st game defense gets embarrased on Monday night although it was closer than I thought and at times I actually thought maybe they can do this. By 0-3 it was pretty clear that our off season fears about how bad this team could suck were as bad as we thought.

There is no Andrew Luck in this draft and it's a new coach and I want to see how they can rebuild and if they can win some games and make progress that's great it's something to build on for next season. If they could somehow make a playoff run than even better.

 

[DevilInPgh]

I have a bright shiny Brooklyn Bridge (at a preferred FH member discount of course) up for bid to anyone who truly believes that fan resistance to, or repudiation of the SFL sentiment was responsible for secreting any sentient-type pheneromes prompting the team to reverse its sad fortunes and forsake its rightful draft position. As if the act of rooting for wins was the villain standing between the Fins and Luck or RG3. :idk:

Actually, if anything it was more likely the boomerang effect of Karma being its customary beyotchy self: all the active in-your-face, we're-rooting-for-you-to-lose and we're-cheering-against-you-at-the-stadium behavior was more probably what galvanized the team and motivated, prideful reasonally good professional football players to wanna use wins to symbolically shove SFL back up where the sun don't shine for exactly the opposite effect. So if anything, a fan rooting for wins probably had less influence on our resulting draft status than did SFL'ers vocally rooting for losses. If you're gonna point fingers, use a mirror!

Right, karma. Isn't that the same karma you once said would eventually keep Indy from getting the #1 overall pick? Take your karma and shove it, Mr. Ross.

BTW, in case you haven't figured out, I already know you're one of Mr. Ross's sockpuppets.