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so we have 1 player in the NFL's top 100

lbsfinest said:
Reggie Bush really isn't that good, in no way, shape, or form is he a top 100 player. he did virtually nothing the first half of the year, he only started producing when our season was basically over.Lamar Miller will be a much better player.
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Maybe not, Lbs, but Bush did, in fact, have better stats than Chris Johnson or John Huhn, RBs who both made the list...as was said before, it's just a popularity contest... And proclaiming Miller better than Bush at this point is a bit premature...I certainly hope he will and agree that he may...but not yet...at this point, Bush is a better back than Miller...period...
 
zackmandude63 said:
Someone please explain why Peyton Manning was on this list...
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This is supposed to be a list comprised by players' opinions. They see Manning as still one of the best QBs in the league now and perhaps of all time. That's why he made the list. Of course, that's a fallacy of the list because if that were really the case, wouldn't you say that Dan Marino and Joe Montana should have made the list ?? He probably should not have been on the list simply based on the fact that he didn't play last year, but NFLN didn't set that as a parameter in this poll with the players...

I still don't see several things on that list..if you go by production, Chris Johnson should have been replaced by [at least] Reggie Bush (I didn't bother to check out other backs with similar stats, but Bush had better stats than CJ did last year). As other have mentioned MMoore had better stats than Tebow, although Tebow has something else that MMoore has never shown (intangibles/will to win/ability to take over a game).

It's not a scientific list, that's for sure. It is what it is (thank you OP)...a list of who the players think were the top guys last year...
 
You are using a top 100 list that has TIM TEBOW THE QUARTERBACK on it... a mere SIX SPOTS away from Tony Romo... as evidence of ANYTHING? Cameron Wake is absolutely a top 100 player. Cam Wake, the guy Jeff Ireland pulled out of the CFL, the guy that, according to multiple sources, is the best pass rusher in the NFL over the past 3 seasons....

That list is such a fraud, considering it's not even a top 100. They ask players to fill in the top 20... and there is no set voting criteria. A lot of players take it as "the best career players who played in 2011" while others consider "The best stats of 2011" so the list makes no sense.
 
MRojas4 said:
Top 100 was nothing more but a popularity contest.

Long obviously was a no brainer.

But to leave out Wake, Reggie Bush (based on this year), Vontae Davis, Soliai.

They say its based on 2012 performance, well Peyton Manning did not even play! Yet he makes top 50? Based on stats Matt Moore was a top 15 QB yet Tebow makes the list?

Child please.
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While a case could clearly be made for Cameron Wake, there is no way in hell Vontae Davis, Reggie Bush or Paul Soliai deserve to be on it. And yes Peyton Manning probably deserves to be on it. The one I disagree with is Tebow.
 
Crazy685 said:
You are using a top 100 list that has TIM TEBOW THE QUARTERBACK on it... a mere SIX SPOTS away from Tony Romo... as evidence of ANYTHING? Cameron Wake is absolutely a top 100 player. Cam Wake, the guy Jeff Ireland pulled out of the CFL, the guy that, according to multiple sources, is the best pass rusher in the NFL over the past 3 seasons....

That list is such a fraud, considering it's not even a top 100. They ask players to fill in the top 20... and there is no set voting criteria. A lot of players take it as "the best career players who played in 2011" while others consider "The best stats of 2011" so the list makes no sense.
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Careful with your wording. There is no "source" that could inform anyone that Wake was the best pass rusher over the last three years. Pro Football Focus has an opinion that he was. It's just one opinion. Everyone's got one.

I disagree with Tebow's inclusion pretty strongly. But to disregard an entire set of work by knowledgeable people because you disagree with one player's inclusion would be stupid, IMO.

If someone wants to bring up that you have a list of the NFL's top 100 players and only one member of Jeff Ireland's Miami Dolphins is on that list, and that one being a #1 overall pick, with maybe one other player that should have been on it but got snubbed...I think that's an entirely FAIR criticism. Who aside from Wake and Long deserve to be on the list? Nobody.
 
I think Reggie Bush should be near the bottom of the top 100, but I cant honestly think of anyone else on our team that should have been on the list. We have a lot of solid players, but no superstars.

The poeple at NFL.com have completely discredited themselves with this list by ranking Jason Peters at 42 and Jake Long at 59. Apparently they just look at stats over there.
 
Keep it in perspective.. Peyton Manning was the 50th best player in the NFL last year. Thats all you need to know with regard to the validity of the list.
lbsfinest said:
in the 5 years that Ireland has been our GM we have one measley player in the top 100....and he was a no brainer pick at #1 overall.

the saddest thing is i dont disagree with the list. who on our team other than Long can you even argue is a top 100 talent? nobody else on the offense thats for damn sure. does that even change after next year? nope. our talent is on the defense, but still not much. maybe cam wake? Soliai? vontae? maybe one of them cracks this list after next season.

no wonder this team sucks, no QB, no real weapons (anymore) and not much talent overall .
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ckparrothead said:
Careful with your wording. There is no "source" that could inform anyone that Wake was the best pass rusher over the last three years. Pro Football Focus has an opinion that he was. It's just one opinion. Everyone's got one.

I disagree with Tebow's inclusion pretty strongly. But to disregard an entire set of work by knowledgeable people because you disagree with one player's inclusion would be stupid, IMO.

If someone wants to bring up that you have a list of the NFL's top 100 players and only one member of Jeff Ireland's Miami Dolphins is on that list, and that one being a #1 overall pick, with maybe one other player that should have been on it but got snubbed...I think that's an entirely FAIR criticism. Who aside from Wake and Long deserve to be on the list? Nobody.
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With all due respect CK, your understanding of the word "source" is flawed. "A place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained." That's exactly what I said! While they are all "opinion" based, they still have a created set of perimeters and as a result they are used as such to grade everyone who qualifies. I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. Nowhere did I say "proof", "evidence" or "fact". This is a common misconception. Validity of the sources? Now there's a question I'm constantly asking day in and day out!

In regards to Peyton Manning being on the list... it's ridiculous. He wasn't a player in 2011. This is the Top 100 Players of 2011. Even using the guideline provided by one of the NFL players who voted, "The best players in the league who played in 2011"... you still can't make an argument for Peyton because he didn't play in 2011!

And was that second paragraph directed towards me? Because I'm a little surprised you're saying NFL players are to be considered "experts", immediately after telling me to be careful with my wording!
 
wake and long are the only 2 that should have been on that list...not having wake on there was a joke

another joke is having jimmy graham in the top 15...guys a nice player but top 15 in the league...my ***...not yet he's not

vontae has been one of those guys who with his talent should be on that list but he's too inconsistent and it ticks me off to no end...pretty much what he was at illinois though...maddeningly inconsistent...

mike pouncey is someone i'd say who might make the leap...there just aren't athletes like that on the pivot very often...

jared odrick is another guy who i'd say is ascending...but to get on the top 100 he's gonna have to produce double digit sacks at end...and with that monster in the making jj watt for houston soon to dominate odricks got a uphill climb...
 
I'm with you there, Hoop. The mere fact that Jimmy Graham was higher than Rob Gronkowski is almost as laughable to me as Tony Romo being in the 90s. I don't see a single tangible shred of proof that Graham is better than Gronk. Gronk had more yards, more TDs, and is leaps and bounds above Graham in the blocking world.
 
gronk was so damn good that the pats changed their o around completely to revolve around him...thats when you know a guys the goods...it wasn't wes welkers o last year after the first few weeks it was gronks and everything ran off of him

as for romo in the top 100 i wouldn't agree with that but qbs are always in the top 100 and always getting imo too much credit on some teams...imo cam newton should have been on that list for what he did in carolina last year...that man was sick

and tebow...don't get me started on that...
 
Tony Romo is a top 10 quarterback in the league, in my opinion. I've heard it all about him... he's inaccurate, he's unclutch, etc. Yet last season, his "QBR", that stupid little metric created to showcase "clutch performances", had Romo in the top 5 thanks to some crazy games against the Eagles.

He just puts up points when you need him to. But that's another discussion for another day, I think you and I have disagreed on enough over the past week haha
 
tony romo a top 10 qb...yeah we are gonna disagree on that...i'd say he's top 15 though...somewhere in that range...i've seen the boys lose games they have no business losing directly because of the qb...
 
I agree that Graham shouldn't be higher than Gronk. But Graham is above and beyond the most athletic freak on the football field as of this day, he is a harder cover than Gronk
 
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