Some good Tua news and insights for next season

[DOLFANMIKE]

Just watched the break down on Tua by Warner and it's spot on. Some things I'll add...
- The Smash concept that Tua struggled to connect on the deep routes is one of the easiest concepts in football to teach and learn. Literally every offense I have even seen or been a part of uses the concept.
Typically the outside WR#1 runs a hook, Curl, Slant or Stop type of route and the #2 or #3 (if a Trips set) runs a deep corner route (It's the opposite of a post route that goes towards the sideline). IMO we missed Corner route opportunities more than any other route with Tua last season. I really don't think it's going to be a long standing problem with him even though it's obvious he loves the dink and dunk. I'll be surprised if we don't see some major improvement on Smash concept this season.
- We also missed some Skinny Post opportunities upfield (It's a lot like a seam route but has a slight inside lean to the route) and it's usually ran from the most outside WR. It's a really effective route vs both Man and Zone coverages IF it's thrown at the right time. Tua needs to get rid of that pocket hop step (that's just poor footwork). I suspect he does it when he can't see where he knows he is supposed to be looking as having coached offense for 30 of my 32 years that's a common issue with QB's taking hop steps on those longer routes.
- A big part of Tua's development will hinge on his timing and synch with our WR's and TE's. Part of that is just staying healthy and not having the revolving door in our receiving core that we saw the last several years. I'm hoping that part of our staff evaluation on players we pickup through FA and the draft put a heavy emphasis on guys that have shown they can stay on the field and play through a season. Having timing is a big part of every successful passing game.

Tua will look so much better IF:
- We can keep our WR's and TE healthy all season so there isn't a revolving door there
- We find a legit Workhorse RB that becomes our primary threat on Offense (RB Harris comes to mind)
- Our OC tandem uses Alabama offensive concepts that Tua has had success with in the past

I don't think anyone doubt's that he is working his ass off in the offseason, and he's the leader we need.

 

[Durango2020]

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Tua will look so much better IF:
- We can keep our WR's and TE healthy all season so there isn't a revolving door there

No guarantees can be made here, we always hope there are no injuries but all bets are off.

- We find a legit Workhorse RB that becomes our primary threat on Offense (RB Harris comes to mind)

Need to improve the running game to keep the opposing defense honest.

- Our OC tandem uses Alabama offensive concepts that Tua has had success with in the past

We will see how this pans out, it may work or it may be back to drawing board.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I expect a huge leap from Tua this year.

I think taking the running game to the next level is a big key. Grier has taken some steps in free agency with Brown and Fuller.

Having a legitimate deep threat like Fuller will help open up the running game.

Plus, Tua will be more than a year removed from his hip injury. I believe that will help him gain velocity on his throws.

 

[circumstances]

I expect a huge leap from Tua this year.

I think taking the running game to the next level is a big key. Grier has taken some steps in free agency with Brown and Fuller.

Having a legitimate deep threat like Fuller will help open up the running game.

Plus, Tua will be more than a year removed from his hip injury. I believe that will help him gain velocity on his throws.

and Jackson year two.

hunt year two.

kindley year two.

so many factors, that should trend in our direction.

 

[KingHydra]

I expect a huge leap from Tua this year.

I think taking the running game to the next level is a big key. Grier has taken some steps in free agency with Brown and Fuller.

Having a legitimate deep threat like Fuller will help open up the running game.

Plus, Tua will be more than a year removed from his hip injury. I believe that will help him gain velocity on his throws.

I agree with this, verbatim. The latest pics of Tua show him looking so different from last year (understandable after what he went through). Tua, appears to be a different man.
Super stoked for next year.

 

[Travis34]

Thanks for posting, I dont have the time to watch those videos at the moment, but I liked your breakdown. A couple questions for ya OP, you mentioned the smash concept plays we didnt connect on, what do you think was the main contributor? Not making the reads correctly (or quickly enough?), bad throws? Or not looking that direction for the open guy? Same thing where you mentioned the skinny posts, how you worded, I was kind of assuming he didnt even try those throws as much

 

[Danny]

Just watched the break down on Tua by Warner and it's spot on. Some things I'll add...
- The Smash concept that Tua struggled to connect on the deep routes is one of the easiest concepts in football to teach and learn. Literally every offense I have even seen or been a part of uses the concept.
Typically the outside WR#1 runs a hook, Curl, Slant or Stop type of route and the #2 or #3 (if a Trips set) runs a deep corner route (It's the opposite of a post route that goes towards the sideline). IMO we missed Corner route opportunities more than any other route with Tua last season. I really don't think it's going to be a long standing problem with him even though it's obvious he loves the dink and dunk. I'll be surprised if we don't see some major improvement on Smash concept this season.
- We also missed some Skinny Post opportunities upfield (It's a lot like a seam route but has a slight inside lean to the route) and it's usually ran from the most outside WR. It's a really effective route vs both Man and Zone coverages IF it's thrown at the right time. Tua needs to get rid of that pocket hop step (that's just poor footwork). I suspect he does it when he can't see where he knows he is supposed to be looking as having coached offense for 30 of my 32 years that's a common issue with QB's taking hop steps on those longer routes.
- A big part of Tua's development will hinge on his timing and synch with our WR's and TE's. Part of that is just staying healthy and not having the revolving door in our receiving core that we saw the last several years. I'm hoping that part of our staff evaluation on players we pickup through FA and the draft put a heavy emphasis on guys that have shown they can stay on the field and play through a season. Having timing is a big part of every successful passing game.

Tua will look so much better IF:
- We can keep our WR's and TE healthy all season so there isn't a revolving door there
- We find a legit Workhorse RB that becomes our primary threat on Offense (RB Harris comes to mind)
- Our OC tandem uses Alabama offensive concepts that Tua has had success with in the past

I don't think anyone doubt's that he is working his *** off in the offseason, and he's the leader we need.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[TraderJoe]

Not an original Tua fan, was against drafting him and thought he played like crap most of the season.

With that being said I have little doubt he is our future and I believe the future is bright.

 

[Rev Kev]

My honest opinions

Even Warner confessed he didn’t kno the concept in some of the videos - that alone should tell you all you need to know about our OC

Thee not letting go of the ball and hanging on to it had as much to do with lack of familiarity with his WRs and TEs as an inability to make throws - and he doesn’t need 5 yards of separation

 

[juniorseau55]

Just watched the break down on Tua by Warner and it's spot on. Some things I'll add...
- The Smash concept that Tua struggled to connect on the deep routes is one of the easiest concepts in football to teach and learn. Literally every offense I have even seen or been a part of uses the concept.
Typically the outside WR#1 runs a hook, Curl, Slant or Stop type of route and the #2 or #3 (if a Trips set) runs a deep corner route (It's the opposite of a post route that goes towards the sideline). IMO we missed Corner route opportunities more than any other route with Tua last season. I really don't think it's going to be a long standing problem with him even though it's obvious he loves the dink and dunk. I'll be surprised if we don't see some major improvement on Smash concept this season.
- We also missed some Skinny Post opportunities upfield (It's a lot like a seam route but has a slight inside lean to the route) and it's usually ran from the most outside WR. It's a really effective route vs both Man and Zone coverages IF it's thrown at the right time. Tua needs to get rid of that pocket hop step (that's just poor footwork). I suspect he does it when he can't see where he knows he is supposed to be looking as having coached offense for 30 of my 32 years that's a common issue with QB's taking hop steps on those longer routes.
- A big part of Tua's development will hinge on his timing and synch with our WR's and TE's. Part of that is just staying healthy and not having the revolving door in our receiving core that we saw the last several years. I'm hoping that part of our staff evaluation on players we pickup through FA and the draft put a heavy emphasis on guys that have shown they can stay on the field and play through a season. Having timing is a big part of every successful passing game.

Tua will look so much better IF:
- We can keep our WR's and TE healthy all season so there isn't a revolving door there
- We find a legit Workhorse RB that becomes our primary threat on Offense (RB Harris comes to mind)
- Our OC tandem uses Alabama offensive concepts that Tua has had success with in the past

I don't think anyone doubt's that he is working his *** off in the offseason, and he's the leader we need.

Warner? Hard Pass I prefer to read the analysis from finheaven experts, not Warner. What does he know about playing football?

 

[DOLFANMIKE]

Thanks for posting, I dont have the time to watch those videos at the moment, but I liked your breakdown. A couple questions for ya OP, you mentioned the smash concept plays we didnt connect on, what do you think was the main contributor? Not making the reads correctly (or quickly enough?), bad throws? Or not looking that direction for the open guy? Same thing where you mentioned the skinny posts, how you worded, I was kind of assuming he didnt even try those throws as much

Yeah, in my OP I was saying Tua didn't even get the ball thrown to most of those open routes on Corners and Skinny Post routes. Some did get thrown but were late.
I don't think it's as obvious as just one reason he missed getting the ball into a few of those deep routes like the Corner and the Skinny post. It appears of course that pressure on those longer routes was a thing... you can see Tua moving around a lot when we missed those opportunities. I'd guess at times his size limited his view and I'm sure sometimes he just screwed his reads on the play. Other times the OL blocking folded early.
I'm optimistic he can clean all of this up. This is not complicated or hard to see what the problem is and is pretty basic Offensive fix material. I guess the biggest challenge will be the OL helping him feel more comfortable in the pocket and him understanding when those routes should be open on his first few seconds on the read. The old days of a Pre snap read showing you if the defense was in man or zone, of if it was a Cover 2,3 or 4 are long gone. These guys are so fast and athletics nowadays you can line up showing one and running any of the others.

On a side note - This is why I have such a high value on drafting TE Pitts. We can line him up all over with Gesicki in the game too and create mismatches all over the field and give Tua some nice tall targets with Pitts, Gesicki, Parker, Williams, and Fuller. We might even be able to land another Wideout option at 18 if we felt we have to. Someone in the receiving group of rookies is going to slide and I don't think it's going to be Pitts or Chase.
We NEED a feature RB though that is our #1 threat as an offense. Gaskin and Brown will be nice guys to play situationally or in relief.

 

[juniorseau55]

My honest opinions

Even Warner confessed he didn’t kno the concept in some of the videos - that alone should tell you all you need to know about our OC

Thee not letting go of the ball and hanging on to it had as much to do with lack of familiarity with his WRs and TEs as an inability to make throws - and he doesn’t need 5 yards of

Dude are you expecting him to know the Dolphins offensive playbook? Dude been in the NFL for a long time, but at least he's being honest not acting like he is a know it all. Whether Chan Gailey called the play or not it doesn't matter. He is just basically describing play development, and reads. There are plays that are textbook plays, and there are plays that are meant to misdirect. There are always going to be missed opportunities, but there were reads that obviously show a player open. For example, Warner pointed out that it did seem like Tua at times neglected some specific reads had he waited a bit longer. Look at the safety blitz for the Broncos game for example.

 

[NBP81]

My honest opinions

Even Warner confessed he didn’t kno the concept in some of the videos - that alone should tell you all you need to know about our OC

Thee not letting go of the ball and hanging on to it had as much to do with lack of familiarity with his WRs and TEs as an inability to make throws - and he doesn’t need 5 yards of

Yeah the " I dont know about that concept" came up a couple of times... This is something that happened quite frequently in games where you'd have 3 Fins WRs breaking on their routes in a 10 yard area... No bueno.

 

[NBP81]

Dude are you expecting him to know the Dolphins offensive playbook? Dude been in the NFL for a long time, but at least he's being honest not acting like he is a know it all. Whether Chan Gailey called the play or not it doesn't matter. He is just basically describing play development, and reads. There are plays that are textbook plays, and there are plays that are meant to misdirect. There are always going to be missed opportunities, but there were reads that obviously show a player open. For example, Warner pointed out that it did seem like Tua at times neglected some specific reads had he waited a bit longer. Look at the safety blitz for the Broncos game for example.

You misread his comment IMO... The "I dont know about this concept" wasnt the analyst saying he doesnt know the concept, it was him saying that particular play concept was flawed...

 

[DOLFANMIKE]

You misread his comment IMO... The "I dont know about this concept" wasnt the analyst saying he doesnt know the concept, it was him saying that particular play concept was flawed...

Yeah you are spot on here. He was saying the play concept was flawed.

Keep in mind though that could still be because of player error. This happens more often than you'd think with teams that use a lot of "choice routes" where the receivers read the defense as the play develops and runs his route to the best area in his route tree. Other times it happens when one knucklehead runs the wrong route and creates the cluster. With all the Receivers and TE's we had play at one point or another last year no doubt this had to be a problem.