So you are saying our 1.5 year starting QB isn't playing on the level of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning? Got it...
Some interesting numbers halfway through the season
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Sure, but it's funny how when stats are used in support of the need for "good news," there is no "agenda" attributed to the person providing them. It's all warm and fuzzy, regardless of how meaningful the stats really are.
On the other hand, when someone presents stats that aren't what everybody wants to hear, regardless of the fact that those stats are strongly correlated with winning, ah, then look out -- that person needs to be burned at the stake!
The OP post some positive news amongst a sea of negativity and you feel the need to sh*t on it and and claim HE has an agenda ?
Totally uncalled for and quit petty if you ask me.
Cann't you leave us with a few slivers of hope in this sea of bull**** gonna on now ???????
Go work for ESPN bro. You'll fit in just fine.
Right. This is why it can hardly be said that someone is "cherry-picking stats to support a point" when that person is squarely focused on the stats that correlate with winning.
If on the other hand stats are used to support the point that "the team has improved," and yet those stats don't correlate with winning, then the "cherry-picking" idea is in full force, especially when, as measured by winning percentage, the team hasn't improved (significantly).
And this isn't a shot at the original poster here. This is a shot at the Dolphins' website, which was linked in the OP.
But hey, we all need something to feel good about right now, even if it isn't realistic, and I'm sure the Dolphins' PR department understands that.
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Not him. The Dolphins' organization right now.
Your team can improve and still lose...I see what you are trying to say but at the same time stats can show improvement but the team can have less wins then they did last year. You have to take into account the team that you are playing..Just because lets say the cougars were 9-7 last year while throwing for 15 tds all season but, this year they finished 8-8 while throwing for 29 touchdowns does not mean they didn't improve. It could just mean that they didn't improve more then the team they played or maybe they regressed in some other areas. Either way I do not see the point in argueing over news that helps fans see optimism during a time of BS with this organization. All stats are "cherry picked" in some way or another. Who cares, GO DOLPHINS!
Well, I'll be rooting for the team tonight just as hard as I did when I was eight years old and would cry whenever they lost, but I'm not going to let the Dolphins' PR department consider me a "sheep" who blindly follows whatever it's throwing out there. :)
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The Miami Dolphins website has a comment section. Wouldn't that be a more appropriate place to criticise their actions ?
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exactly
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exactly
Yes. :)
However, I started here with a critique of the stats, alone, and then when pressed as to why I was doing that, I answered with my rationale, which included the critique of the Dolphins' PR department.
I would've been happy to roll along peacefully with no mention of my rationale, since it has nothing to do with the team, but as usual, some people here want to know a poster's motives, as if that's somehow relevant to the topic. Sometimes I actually appease them. :)
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Victories will come when the team is good enough. We aren't good enough yet.
Sure, but if you'd like to find out why that is, start with the stats that are strongly correlated with winning (as opposed to the ones linked in the OP), and see where we're falling short.
I dont even need the stats. I watched the QB play the last 5 games. I know where we are falling short.
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Throwing more TD passes and intercepting more balls aren't closely associated with winning?
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I just hope the coaching staff and team can make some better second half adjustments like they did vs Indy/ATL/Cleveland. We blew that New England game and almost blew that Cincy game.
I'm also okay with people being critical of Tannehill . His performance vs Buffalo was bad but we need to remember he's still really raw and doesn't have THAT many games under his belt. I still believe in the guy
I'm also okay with people being critical of Tannehill . His performance vs Buffalo was bad but we need to remember he's still really raw and doesn't have THAT many games under his belt. I still believe in the guy
Sure, Wallace is not putting up Calvin Johnson type numbers but the guy opens up the playbook and field even if he doesn't catch a single pass.
Hartline and Gibson (IR now) had benefited from Wallace hogging up all the double coverage. Running game as of late has also benefited from teams not being able to stack the box, must have deep safety help against Wallace.
Defensive interceptions correlate with wins at 0.41.
TD passes correlate with wins at 0.46.
QB rating differential, on the other hand correlates with wins at 0.81, and adjusted net yards per passing attempt differential correlates with wins at 0.84.
That gives you an idea of how some stats can be very strongly associated with winning, whereas others are much more weakly associated with winning.
Interestingly enough, Joe Philbin had his finger on the pulse of this in his introductory press conference with the Dolphins:
http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/1/22/2725109/miami-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-introduction
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This . . . and I guess we just have different ideas than they about what we want, how we should go about getting it, and how soon we should start reaping the rewards. In my experience as an observer of the NFL for 40 years, I've found that I prefer a team that is competitive every year. I think that's what Ross wants for Miami, too. It will take time and continuity to build a team like that, but it will be very worth it in the end. There are no quick fixes when building in this way. However, reasonable progress is critical. I think the team has managed reasonable progress to this point and I'm hopeful it will continue.