Some Nfl Hofers Have Lost Their Minds

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  1. SMadison29

    SMadison29 What Sherman aspires to be

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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24720441/hall-famers-threaten-boycott-induction-ceremony-nfl-provides-health-insurance-annual-salaries


    The audacity of some of the NFL Hall of Famers that think they're owed more after their playing careers are over just because they basically won an award by being elected into the HOF is baffling.

    When an NFL player “retires” between the ages of 30-40 you’re not close to the federal retirement age of 62. So unless you were smart with your money instead of living in the moment you go get your *** a job. Just because you played in the NFL & made the HOF doesn’t mean you’re entitled live like a king. If you squandered your money & can’t afford health insurance that’s your fault. Take responsibility for your actions & GET A JOB! When the average American retires their company doesn’t continue to pay them an annual salary & they health insurance for life just because they won employee of the year. It’s stupid entitled stuff like this that continues to turn more & more people away from the NFL.

    All NFL players are vested in the pension after just three years of service (& they’re credited a full year of service after just 3 games) which they can start to draw from when they’re 50 so they’re already getting paid.

    Now think about the added responsibility the HOF voters, who already suck at their task, have & the consequences it has for many prospective HOFers. Their decision basically determines who will get a lifetime paycheck & insurance.

    Here’s the amount of money some of the HOFers that signed this BS made during their careers:

    Marcus Allen - $14.2M
    Derrick Brooks - $37.3M
    Marshall Faulk - $48.9M
    Curtis Martin - $46.8M
    Jerry Rice - $42.3M
    Deion Sanders - $33.5M
    Bruce Smith - $46.9M
    Kurt Warner - $62.7M

    You guys can’t afford health insurance? Really?

    The statement, "We, the undersigned Pro Football Hall of Famers, were integral to the creation of the modern NFL,” yes, & so were the other thousands of NFL players not in the HOF. People still flocked to stadiums & their TVs to watch Ricky Williams, Zach Thomas, Mark Gastineau, Keyshawn Johnson, Jamal Lewis, Boomer Esiason, Corey Dillon, Chad Ochocinco, Greg Lloyd, Kordell Stewart, Edgerrin James, Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Steve McNair, Eddie George, CJ2K, Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Dante Hall, Shawn Merriman, Rich Gannon, Bo Jackson, Phil Simms, Tiki Barber, Tony Romo, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Daunte Culpepper, Michael Vick, Jamal Anderson, Sam Mills, Deuce McAllister, Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott, Shaun Alexander, Steven Jackson… & countless others who were great NFL players for a year or two or throughout their careers but may not make the HOF. If the HOFers weren’t there, we’ve all heard the motto next man up. The NFL wouldn’t miss a beat. You’re just cogs in the machine & the only thing that can derail it is the NFL itself with politics. People don’t watch the NFL today because of what the HOFers have done in the past. Memories are great but they’re irrelevant in why people tune in.

    Though it does appear that these HOFers have had too many hits to the head, "But when the league enshrined us as the greatest ever to play America's most popular sport, they gave us a gold jacket, a bust and a ring -- and that was it.” That’s because it’s an AWARD not a lottery ticket.

    More entitlement, "The time has come for us to be treated as part of a game we've given so much to. Until our demands are met, the Hall of Famers will not attend the annual induction ceremony in Canton.”

    Good, don’t show. Hopefully you realize after the 2019 HOF inductions fans don’t clamor to Canton to see you & you’re ridiculed more than T.O. was (who I think had a legitimate reason not to go). People will be there to see Ed Reed, Tony Gonzalez, Champ Bailey, & a few others enshrined not to see your crusty old asses sitting on stage in the background.
     
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    its an honor to be in the hall of fame, its not an honor for the hall of fame to be blessed with your presence. maybe some of the players whos careers started in 60s or 70s should maybe be entitled to a little more because their bodies were prob put thru a lot worse. but no the free agent generation, hell if you were even a fringe starter you can get placement off name alone. I think its Tony Bua has a roofing service now, hell when John Denney retires if he started a roofing business, aint a fins fan alive that wouldn't want Denneys roofing service. besides they have that 4 year degree regardless of they get their 4 years in or not that gives them a head start ;-)
     
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  3. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Well here's the thing:

    Isn't the Pro Football HOF technically an independent entity? Or did they at some point become an official subsidiary of the NFL?
     
  4. Daytona Fin

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    Kurt Warner doesn't belong in the Hall anyways.

    Also today's NFL was created in the 70's and 80's , without those two decades of awesomeness, the guys in the 90's and beyond would have to work part time jobs in the offseason.
     
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    I love this quote, to build this game, my ***. These guys sacrificed their bodies to build their bank accounts. Sick of hearing these guys whine all the time. Most of us all make sacrifices with our jobs. My body is sore too, probably going to get skin cancer from working outdoors for 20 years. I won't be whining for assistance either. You want health insurance? Go get it like everyone else that wants it. These guys graduated from college, probably free. Use those degrees and go get a job or go work at a grocery store or somewhere that offers health insurance.

    Hell I've help build the game too by buying tickets and merchandise. Risked my life driving on the highway down to Miami. Bouts of depression and alcoholism from watching the Dolphins/NFL. I still think I might have PTSD from Chargers/Dolphins game in 1982. Where's my gold jacket, health insurance and/or kickback?
     
  6. J. David Wannyheimer

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    I am personally sympathetic to the NFL providing better benefits for older retired players, even though I know that the current NFLPA has resisted the idea of splitting the costs with the NFL, and the the owners certainly aren't going to just pony up 100% of the dough.

    With that said, the more I read about this, the more I realize that Eric Dickerson is kind of an idiot, and almost certainly having some severe financial difficulties.

    He included several signatories without their knowledge or consent, and has 'demanded' $300,000.00 annually for all living Hall of Famers.

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    :ponder:
     
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    yall want to be a HOF'er (I know yall already are) worry about the old man or the little man. there shouldn't be a player in the HOF that played in the free agency period that should be begging for hand outs. you want to be a real HOF, be a damn HOF'er for the players with less. I know you cant discriminate or disparage between the 3 year player that blew his 1.2 million career earnings on cars before filing bankruptcy at the age of 30 who has shot knees, and the player that invested his 3 year 1.2 million earnings but has trouble walking cause of 5 knee surgeries in those 3 years.

    Im for them fighting for the OLD guys, not the Kurt Warner aged guys getting updated health insurance, back when you were almost forced to play with broken bones with the needle shot in ya, or the young guys who have a couple years invested and whos body is crap and they never get that big pay day. I'm not one to believe in freebies for anyone, sorry worked too hard in my almost 40 years. but I have no problem with them saying that players that have x amount of years vested we will HELP them with their insurance for x amount of years and if they become diabilitated due to NFL related issues then they can be fully granted health insurance. most of the HOF'ers have it made, they can be public speakers, announcers, hell even college announcers or analyst. Back when I was in high school Carl Eller was one of our guest speakers at an assembly and he could barely talk because the cocaine had did such a number on him, im sure he still probably got paid well for that speech.

    be a HOF person, worry about the man who never quite had the talent or wasn't around in the time to make the money you made and potentially squandered away. maybe find a way to adjust the salary cap so players can be added money into a retirement without it counting against the cap. You'll really see who cares about their retirement then. Allow the players to have a retirement signing bonus up to like 100K (guaranteed) a year that can draw out at the age of 55 or something. Does Player X say "yeah ill take that 3 yr 15 million contract with an additional 300K going into an interest incurring retirement plan", or does he say naaa ill worry about that extra money when im older "give me the 3 yrs 15.3 million with that last 300K not guaranteed" it would be nice if these people when they had all their riches had to live life and think like a normal person just once. me being 39, and a buddy that works with me that is prob late 40s early 50's I never have asked age, were talking retirement, he puts 20% in 401K with company match of 6% and I just do 6%. he started with company after they wrote off pensions, me im grandfathered into the pension plan. I pretty much told him that as pretty as it sounds on paper that he needed to adjust it because with what we make he is going to max out what he can annually put in, (16K I think) and hes going to be paying the biggest part of it. then age of retirement "hell don't know, depends on health, relationship status, expenses, free time" I enjoyed watching the guys play but id be saying the same thing if it was dan marino and JT coming out with this.
     
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    While I certainly agree that HOF players deserve some separate, additional pension benefit is ludicrous.... I do believe that the NFL should take better care of all their former athletes.
    This should include fully covered health insurance for life and a pension plan that starts earlier.
    The fact is that the football pension plan is not nearly as generous as the MLB one. Not to mention a pro baseball player has a much longer earning lifespan as well as a vast safety net of "minor" leagues that a player can earn in.

    It would make good business sense for the NFL to show that it can financially take care of players that are on rosters since they may see a shortage of elite athletes choosing football.
     
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    Yeah, exactly. I'm 100% in favor of a settlement from the NFL and NFLPA to take better care of retired players, but the guys who REALLY need and deserve it are the Joe Blow linemen and other players who weren't big-earning superstars. Eric Dickerson made more money than most guys during his career, has made a mint on speaking engagements, and even had a TV gig (that he was terrible at) for several years.

    I think this effort would be a lot easier to get behind if the messenger wasn't a dope.
     
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    I mean, it isn't the craziest thing in the world. I imagine a lot of companies will reward retired employees with perks such as company paid health insurance if they did a lot for the company, even if the employee didn't have some sort of employment agreement or collectively bargained for right to it ahead of time.

    But if I'm a guy like Randy McMichael (first guy that comes to mind) who didn't really make the big bucks but took a lot of punishment just like everyone else, I'm kind of rolling my eyes at this.
     
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    Pensions basically don't exist anymore in the private sector because pensions don't work in the long run with modern medicine.

    Pensions made sense in 1930, when a guy would retire at 65 and die at 67. Pensions make no sense in 2018, when a guy retires at 65 and dies at 92.

    Pensions still exist in the public sector because public sector decision-makers love spending money they don't have to earn. And even then, the practice is slowly starting to die out as city and state governments just can't squeeze anything more from their stones.
     
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    All NFL players should receive lifetime health insurance. HOF should have nothing to do with it, and, as someone who almost always sides with players, I agree that these players are being assholes.
     
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    This!

    Someone made a good point on radio the other day. John Elway and Terrell Davis are in the HOF. Isn’t that due in part to their OL all those years? How many of them are in the HOF? Why are Elway and Davis “deserving” of lifetime insurance and pensions yet the non-HOF OL aren’t?
     
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    Completely disagree. It's all about choices. Nobody is forcing them to play football & put their body in danger. They know the dangers especially now. They choose to play football & most likely choose to play football for the potential life style. In making that choice, which is typically 3-10 years, that life style doesn't last forever. They should be smart with their money & have a plan after football. The NFL shouldn't be responsible for paying their health insurance for the next 20-70 years of their lives. The players get far more out of the NFL during their playing days than the NFL gets out of them (I can't believe I'm taking up for the NFL). When they "retire" from football between 28-35 years old their lives aren't over. They still have 30+ years of employment ahead of them.
     
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    The NFL wouldn't exist without the players.
     
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