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First and foremost, this isn't me trying to tell anyone how to feel right now. I understand the frustration, believe me, I was as crushed as anyone Sunday night after the game. This is how I see it, after a couple of days of digesting everyone's take around the situation.

  • I think I underestimated how though these back to back west road games truly were. As I'm looking into the data on teams traveling west, which really isn't all that common as most research seems to focus on west teams traveling east, what I did find is that these games clearly favor the west coast teams by a wide margin. all I could find was data from 2002 to 2016. In that time span, the traveling team won 42% of their games, and that number falls to 28% in night games. That last part is hard to really fit into the Fins situation as they had already spent a good amount to time on the west coast prior to their night game. Nonetheless, the 42% rate is significant.
  • The stretch isnt over by any means, it actually gets worse... They're closing their road trip visiting Buffalo in December, on a shortish week in what looks to be unfavorable conditions for a southern team. While the game isn't THAT important when it comes to actual playoffs implications, the ramifications of entering the final stretch on a 3 game losing streak isn't all that appealing. I need to drill into my head here that a Win is an AMAZING outcome, but a loss isn't as significant as my ego will lead me to believe live.
  • If the Fins do lose and end this road trip 0-3... The easy assumption to make is that the Fins should build a team that wins in cold December games. I'm really not sure I buy this assumption... These games really make up a small % of games you'll play in a season and looking back, I might be inclined to give alot more weight to the 3 game losing streak the Fins had game 4-7 than the one they might have at the end of the game on Saturday night. And that losing streak was for reasons out of this teams control. Injuries. If we're being honest, we're not stressing as much as we are right now if the Fins record is 9-4, 10-3 or 11-2 at this point. But here we are.
  • This feeling that the Fins offense has been figured out and there's this blueprint out going forward doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The scheme was fine to me vs SF, the players(Tua 80%) execute in that game and it might have been a blowout. So Im really left with the brainfart by McDaniel in the Chargers game, which again is a bad performance. I'm not ready to call anyone a one trick pony or incompetent over a one game performance, in an environment that has historically had people performing bad. (see point #1)
  • Never mind the run-pass ratio or where McDaniel likes to target his pass attempts, I feel like the thing missing the most compared the earlier success they had passing the ball in the OL movement DURING passing plays. It seems like he has gone away from it alot and just put the whole passing offense in the QBs hands. There was alot of OL traffic on passing plays which kept the LBs honest opening the middle of the field they like to target so much... the last 3 games? not so much it seems. I've seen people talk about the passing offense struggling since the 1st half of the Houston game. I'm wondering if after scoring 30 in a single half, McDaniel didn't develop an over confidence in his passing attack. It'd be an easy thing to do considering you have guys like Waddle and Hill and a QB that's just destroying the league... Why bother with the smoke and mirrors? My personal answer to that is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Just go back to these looks because it was working wonderfully.
There's a 75% chance the Fins make the playoffs, the season isnt over by any stretch and the game in Buffalo is the one the least likely to change these odds... Losing 3 in a row is never fun, but this was a though stretch. Fins up and let it play out!
 
I think your point about the West coast it overrated
Not saying it’s easy but we stayed out there for the week and could not beat a mediocre charger team. We didn’t travel that week
But most of that blame falls on our coach

I also don’t buy any of this cold weather bullshit
A lot of these players came from cold weather climates and played ball in cold weather in college
Maybe a good point for some players but the rest of the warm and comfy players have to suck it up. Bad excuse, then get rid of said players
 
Orlovsky and Ryan Clark broke down how the 49ers and Chargers are combatting the middle of the field attack of our offense, McDaniel needs to make adjustments to combat these strategies.

Defense is what it is, we're going to give up a bunch of yards and in all likelihood that's not going to change. Hopefully we keep teams out of the endzone.
 
Orlovsky and Ryan Clark broke down how the 49ers and Chargers are combatting the middle of the field attack of our offense, McDaniel needs to make adjustments to combat these strategies.

Defense is what it is, we're going to give up a bunch of yards and in all likelihood that's not going to change. Hopefully we keep teams out of the endzone.
Yep! But in the SF game, the throws were there to be made, so Im not putting that one on McDaniel, the Chargers game displayed alot more of what you're talking about.
 
First and foremost, this isn't me trying to tell anyone how to feel right now. I understand the frustration, believe me, I was as crushed as anyone Sunday night after the game. This is how I see it, after a couple of days of digesting everyone's take around the situation.

  • I think I underestimated how though these back to back west road games truly were. As I'm looking into the data on teams traveling west, which really isn't all that common as most research seems to focus on west teams traveling east, what I did find is that these games clearly favor the west coast teams by a wide margin. all I could find was data from 2002 to 2016. In that time span, the traveling team won 42% of their games, and that number falls to 28% in night games. That last part is hard to really fit into the Fins situation as they had already spent a good amount to time on the west coast prior to their night game. Nonetheless, the 42% rate is significant.
  • The stretch isnt over by any means, it actually gets worse... They're closing their road trip visiting Buffalo in December, on a shortish week in what looks to be unfavorable conditions for a southern team. While the game isn't THAT important when it comes to actual playoffs implications, the ramifications of entering the final stretch on a 3 game losing streak isn't all that appealing. I need to drill into my head here that a Win is an AMAZING outcome, but a loss isn't as significant as my ego will lead me to believe live.
  • If the Fins do lose and end this road trip 0-3... The easy assumption to make is that the Fins should build a team that wins in cold December games. I'm really not sure I buy this assumption... These games really make up a small % of games you'll play in a season and looking back, I might be inclined to give alot more weight to the 3 game losing streak the Fins had game 4-7 than the one they might have at the end of the game on Saturday night. And that losing streak was for reasons out of this teams control. Injuries. If we're being honest, we're not stressing as much as we are right now if the Fins record is 9-4, 10-3 or 11-2 at this point. But here we are.
  • This feeling that the Fins offense has been figured out and there's this blueprint out going forward doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The scheme was fine to me vs SF, the players(Tua 80%) execute in that game and it might have been a blowout. So Im really left with the brainfart by McDaniel in the Chargers game, which again is a bad performance. I'm not ready to call anyone a one trick pony or incompetent over a one game performance, in an environment that has historically had people performing bad. (see point #1)
  • Never mind the run-pass ratio or where McDaniel likes to target his pass attempts, I feel like the thing missing the most compared the earlier success they had passing the ball in the OL movement DURING passing plays. It seems like he has gone away from it alot and just put the whole passing offense in the QBs hands. There was alot of OL traffic on passing plays which kept the LBs honest opening the middle of the field they like to target so much... the last 3 games? not so much it seems. I've seen people talk about the passing offense struggling since the 1st half of the Houston game. I'm wondering if after scoring 30 in a single half, McDaniel didn't develop an over confidence in his passing attack. It'd be an easy thing to do considering you have guys like Waddle and Hill and a QB that's just destroying the league... Why bother with the smoke and mirrors? My personal answer to that is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Just go back to these looks because it was working wonderfully.
There's a 75% chance the Fins make the playoffs, the season isnt over by any stretch and the game in Buffalo is the one the least likely to change these odds... Losing 3 in a row is never fun, but this was a though stretch. Fins up and let it play out!
Great take and perspective to consider going into this one. I agree that McD might have gotten ****y and went a little Madden regarding play selection. With that said, he's a very crafty and cerebral coach who will delight in switching it up for this game. I actually am expecting a victory.
 
Orlovsky and Ryan Clark broke down how the 49ers and Chargers are combatting the middle of the field attack of our offense, McDaniel needs to make adjustments to combat these strategies.

Defense is what it is, we're going to give up a bunch of yards and in all likelihood that's not going to change. Hopefully we keep teams out of the endzone.
I actually disagree with your comment on the defense. I believe defensive play calling is having a significant impact on the outcome in many of these games. Any time you have a defense that is as good as ours at stopping the run, you should be able to scheme your way to frequent 3 and outs and punts (even with inferior talent in the secondary).
 
I think your point about the West coast it overrated
Not saying it’s easy but we stayed out there for the week and could not beat a mediocre charger team. We didn’t travel that week
But most of that blame falls on our coach

I also don’t buy any of this cold weather bullshit
A lot of these players came from cold weather climates and played ball in cold weather in college
Maybe a good point for some players but the rest of the warm and comfy players have to suck it up. Bad excuse, then get rid of said players
I agree with you on the cold weather take. I don't think it's as big of a deal when you keep in mind where the players are mostly from. How it affects our Hawaiian QB from Bama though is really going to be the straw that stirs the drink.
 
First and foremost, this isn't me trying to tell anyone how to feel right now. I understand the frustration, believe me, I was as crushed as anyone Sunday night after the game. This is how I see it, after a couple of days of digesting everyone's take around the situation.

  • I think I underestimated how though these back to back west road games truly were. As I'm looking into the data on teams traveling west, which really isn't all that common as most research seems to focus on west teams traveling east, what I did find is that these games clearly favor the west coast teams by a wide margin. all I could find was data from 2002 to 2016. In that time span, the traveling team won 42% of their games, and that number falls to 28% in night games. That last part is hard to really fit into the Fins situation as they had already spent a good amount to time on the west coast prior to their night game. Nonetheless, the 42% rate is significant.
  • The stretch isnt over by any means, it actually gets worse... They're closing their road trip visiting Buffalo in December, on a shortish week in what looks to be unfavorable conditions for a southern team. While the game isn't THAT important when it comes to actual playoffs implications, the ramifications of entering the final stretch on a 3 game losing streak isn't all that appealing. I need to drill into my head here that a Win is an AMAZING outcome, but a loss isn't as significant as my ego will lead me to believe live.
  • If the Fins do lose and end this road trip 0-3... The easy assumption to make is that the Fins should build a team that wins in cold December games. I'm really not sure I buy this assumption... These games really make up a small % of games you'll play in a season and looking back, I might be inclined to give alot more weight to the 3 game losing streak the Fins had game 4-7 than the one they might have at the end of the game on Saturday night. And that losing streak was for reasons out of this teams control. Injuries. If we're being honest, we're not stressing as much as we are right now if the Fins record is 9-4, 10-3 or 11-2 at this point. But here we are.
  • This feeling that the Fins offense has been figured out and there's this blueprint out going forward doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The scheme was fine to me vs SF, the players(Tua 80%) execute in that game and it might have been a blowout. So Im really left with the brainfart by McDaniel in the Chargers game, which again is a bad performance. I'm not ready to call anyone a one trick pony or incompetent over a one game performance, in an environment that has historically had people performing bad. (see point #1)
  • Never mind the run-pass ratio or where McDaniel likes to target his pass attempts, I feel like the thing missing the most compared the earlier success they had passing the ball in the OL movement DURING passing plays. It seems like he has gone away from it alot and just put the whole passing offense in the QBs hands. There was alot of OL traffic on passing plays which kept the LBs honest opening the middle of the field they like to target so much... the last 3 games? not so much it seems. I've seen people talk about the passing offense struggling since the 1st half of the Houston game. I'm wondering if after scoring 30 in a single half, McDaniel didn't develop an over confidence in his passing attack. It'd be an easy thing to do considering you have guys like Waddle and Hill and a QB that's just destroying the league... Why bother with the smoke and mirrors? My personal answer to that is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Just go back to these looks because it was working wonderfully.
There's a 75% chance the Fins make the playoffs, the season isnt over by any stretch and the game in Buffalo is the one the least likely to change these odds... Losing 3 in a row is never fun, but this was a though stretch. Fins up and let it play out!
Nbp,

Where did you get the info for the win /loss percentage numbers you shared?
 
Nbp,

Where did you get the info for the win /loss percentage numbers you shared?
An article wrote in 2016 for the TB bucs... There's literally tens of articles and research on the West teams traveling east and that was the only one I found on east traveling West.

 
First and foremost, this isn't me trying to tell anyone how to feel right now. I understand the frustration, believe me, I was as crushed as anyone Sunday night after the game. This is how I see it, after a couple of days of digesting everyone's take around the situation.

  • I think I underestimated how though these back to back west road games truly were. As I'm looking into the data on teams traveling west, which really isn't all that common as most research seems to focus on west teams traveling east, what I did find is that these games clearly favor the west coast teams by a wide margin. all I could find was data from 2002 to 2016. In that time span, the traveling team won 42% of their games, and that number falls to 28% in night games. That last part is hard to really fit into the Fins situation as they had already spent a good amount to time on the west coast prior to their night game. Nonetheless, the 42% rate is significant.
  • The stretch isnt over by any means, it actually gets worse... They're closing their road trip visiting Buffalo in December, on a shortish week in what looks to be unfavorable conditions for a southern team. While the game isn't THAT important when it comes to actual playoffs implications, the ramifications of entering the final stretch on a 3 game losing streak isn't all that appealing. I need to drill into my head here that a Win is an AMAZING outcome, but a loss isn't as significant as my ego will lead me to believe live.
  • If the Fins do lose and end this road trip 0-3... The easy assumption to make is that the Fins should build a team that wins in cold December games. I'm really not sure I buy this assumption... These games really make up a small % of games you'll play in a season and looking back, I might be inclined to give alot more weight to the 3 game losing streak the Fins had game 4-7 than the one they might have at the end of the game on Saturday night. And that losing streak was for reasons out of this teams control. Injuries. If we're being honest, we're not stressing as much as we are right now if the Fins record is 9-4, 10-3 or 11-2 at this point. But here we are.
  • This feeling that the Fins offense has been figured out and there's this blueprint out going forward doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The scheme was fine to me vs SF, the players(Tua 80%) execute in that game and it might have been a blowout. So Im really left with the brainfart by McDaniel in the Chargers game, which again is a bad performance. I'm not ready to call anyone a one trick pony or incompetent over a one game performance, in an environment that has historically had people performing bad. (see point #1)
  • Never mind the run-pass ratio or where McDaniel likes to target his pass attempts, I feel like the thing missing the most compared the earlier success they had passing the ball in the OL movement DURING passing plays. It seems like he has gone away from it alot and just put the whole passing offense in the QBs hands. There was alot of OL traffic on passing plays which kept the LBs honest opening the middle of the field they like to target so much... the last 3 games? not so much it seems. I've seen people talk about the passing offense struggling since the 1st half of the Houston game. I'm wondering if after scoring 30 in a single half, McDaniel didn't develop an over confidence in his passing attack. It'd be an easy thing to do considering you have guys like Waddle and Hill and a QB that's just destroying the league... Why bother with the smoke and mirrors? My personal answer to that is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Just go back to these looks because it was working wonderfully.
There's a 75% chance the Fins make the playoffs, the season isnt over by any stretch and the game in Buffalo is the one the least likely to change these odds... Losing 3 in a row is never fun, but this was a though stretch. Fins up and let it play out!

Nice writeup! Brutal strecth of games. Regardless of the odds i think it's fair to say most expected 2-1 and at worst 1-2 record. 0-3 seems very likely at this stage.

Coming back 0-3 puts ALOT more pressure on this team to now beat GB and especially the division teams in Jets and Patriots. I don;t see them going 3-0 during that run. I wouldn't be surprised to see 1-2.

You write 75% chance of making the playoffs mathematically.

I actually think it's lower than than right now.

I honestly think we're looking at a 50/50 chance of not making the playoffs.
 
I think your point about the West coast it overrated
Not saying it’s easy but we stayed out there for the week and could not beat a mediocre charger team. We didn’t travel that week
But most of that blame falls on our coach

I also don’t buy any of this cold weather bullshit
A lot of these players came from cold weather climates and played ball in cold weather in college
Maybe a good point for some players but the rest of the warm and comfy players have to suck it up. Bad excuse, then get rid of said players
I’m not sure it’s an individual player type thing of course the quarterback does touch the ball every snap but more of a offensive make up or scheme. Obviously it’s better to run the ball and miserable cold windy conditions then pass the ball so if your make up isn’t run or it’s difficult for you to run you’re at a disadvantage.

On the same line if you’re a hard nose running team I think it benefits you to play in these cold windy conditions. It’s not an absolute but certain schemes favor certain conditions hard to argue with.
 
Nice writeup! Brutal strecth of games. Regardless of the odds i think it's fair to say most expected 2-1 and at worst 1-2 record. 0-3 seems very likely at this stage.

Coming back 0-3 puts ALOT more pressure on this team to now beat GB and especially the division teams in Jets and Patriots.

You write 75% chance of making the playoffs mathematically.

I actually think it's lower than than right now.

I honestly think we're looking at a 50/50 chance of not making the playoffs.
Jesus. The negativity is palpable in here. Reading posts like this, you;d be surprised to know that we are still able to not only get to the playoffs but win the division if we win and the Bengals beat them. It's miserable to read.
 
Jesus. The negativity is palpable in here. Reading posts like this, you;d be surprised to know that we are still able to not only get to the playoffs but win the division if we win and the Bengals beat them. It's miserable to read.

It's not negativity. It's what has the team showed us lately.

They haven't put out good material the last few games and that's the reality.

Once they change the narrative then the analysis part can change accordingly.
 
Nice thoughts. I agree with most and think we can be alright even if we lay an egg in Barfalo. One adjustment we can make on the motion stack that we run all the time is take the top route to the flag. If they want to keep inside leverage, bend out and go downtown. That might stop that ca-ca quickly. We did that earlier in the year. The OL motion seems to be missing, nice catch there. Some here really bitch about the Defense but they have stopped the run and, despite missing 3/4 of the starting secondary, have played the pass better than expected, IMO. The big difference in the D is lack of turnovers.
 
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