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I'm sure I'll get flamed, but the "bandwagoneering" going on for Gailey, Shula, etc. is hard to believe.

First, Mike Shula never belonged as Alabama's head coach and does not even belong in the NFL as a coordinator. Of course, Don is going to support him. What else would he do? But, Shula failed as an OC in Tampa and Miami and he failed as a coach at Alabama. He had a very good automatic recruiting base and even without a full slate of scholarships (only a few were taken away each year) - he had significant talent to draw from. Then, with respect to the talent that was there - he could not get the job done.

Shula would do for the Dolphins what his brother Dave did for the Bengals.

Second, Gailey is a decent coach but nothing special. He hasn't shown the kind of leadership to really motivate players and bring together a great team. He was decent at Pittsburgh as a coordinator - but nothing extra special. The reality is, what made the Steeler engine go, from a coaching perspective, just retired. Coordinators on the O and D came and went throughout - and they rarely missed a beat. Gailey could not lead a group of veterans in Dallas - after following a coach (Switzer) wholly incapable of leading an NFL team.

And, while Gailey the OC here - his face was plastered in the dictionary under the word, "mediocrity."

The fact is, Brian Shottenheimer was probably our best option. Don't know why he pulled out. Marty S would be a decent option - he's had a winner every where he's been - but he looks to be out of the running.

Mora Jr. is still pretty much an unproven product. Atlanta didn't do anything special under him. He did have problems b/c of Vick's very inconsistent passing and the WR's they drafted turned out to be horrific. If they could catch passes the way an NFL WR is supposed to - they would have been a better team. So, he could still be a good coach, but it's difficult to tell. To be honest, if I'm Wayne H., I'm asking him, "Tell me now - are you going to bolt for college when the going gets tough? Do you really want to coach in the NFL?" And then I'm telling the world that is what he was asked - so that he looks bad if he does bolt.

Of course, Mr. Rivera is still out there. Personally, I haven't been that impressed with the Bears defensive schemes. Their success was largely about talent. They drafted well on defense. When a couple of players got hurt - they tumbled to mediocrity. That said, he may still be a very good coaching candidate. However, I'd prefer an offensive man just based on the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator. That would put Cameron into the mix, possibly.

Really, we need a good leader who can be one of these three: an innovator; a motivator; an intimidator. Ideally, all three qualities would be great.

I was hoping for Shottenheimer (the younger one) and I'd be pretty happy with Marty. But, since both of those are not available, I think Mora, Jr. has some youthful leadership that can be effective with the club. I'm not real excited about him. But, unless someone else pops up on the radar - that's a reasonable pick.

But, remember, "If worse comes to worst, we're screwed." (Steven Wright). ;)
 
I'm sure I'll get flamed, but the "bandwagoneering" going on for Gailey, Shula, etc. is hard to believe.

First, Mike Shula never belonged as Alabama's head coach and does not even belong in the NFL as a coordinator. Of course, Don is going to support him. What else would he do? But, Shula failed as an OC in Tampa and Miami and he failed as a coach at Alabama. He had a very good automatic recruiting base and even without a full slate of scholarships (only a few were taken away each year) - he had significant talent to draw from. Then, with respect to the talent that was there - he could not get the job done.

Shula would do for the Dolphins what his brother Dave did for the Bengals.

Second, Gailey is a decent coach but nothing special. He hasn't shown the kind of leadership to really motivate players and bring together a great team. He was decent at Pittsburgh as a coordinator - but nothing extra special. The reality is, what made the Steeler engine go, from a coaching perspective, just retired. Coordinators on the O and D came and went throughout - and they rarely missed a beat. Gailey could not lead a group of veterans in Dallas - after following a coach (Switzer) wholly incapable of leading an NFL team.

And, while Gailey the OC here - his face was plastered in the dictionary under the word, "mediocrity."

The fact is, Brian Shottenheimer was probably our best option. Don't know why he pulled out. Marty S would be a decent option - he's had a winner every where he's been - but he looks to be out of the running.

Mora Jr. is still pretty much an unproven product. Atlanta didn't do anything special under him. He did have problems b/c of Vick's very inconsistent passing and the WR's they drafted turned out to be horrific. If they could catch passes the way an NFL WR is supposed to - they would have been a better team. So, he could still be a good coach, but it's difficult to tell. To be honest, if I'm Wayne H., I'm asking him, "Tell me now - are you going to bolt for college when the going gets tough? Do you really want to coach in the NFL?" And then I'm telling the world that is what he was asked - so that he looks bad if he does bolt.

Of course, Mr. Rivera is still out there. Personally, I haven't been that impressed with the Bears defensive schemes. Their success was largely about talent. They drafted well on defense. When a couple of players got hurt - they tumbled to mediocrity. That said, he may still be a very good coaching candidate. However, I'd prefer an offensive man just based on the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator. That would put Cameron into the mix, possibly.

Really, we need a good leader who can be one of these three: an innovator; a motivator; an intimidator. Ideally, all three qualities would be great.

I was hoping for Shottenheimer (the younger one) and I'd be pretty happy with Marty. But, since both of those are not available, I think Mora, Jr. has some youthful leadership that can be effective with the club. I'm not real excited about him. But, unless someone else pops up on the radar - that's a reasonable pick.

But, remember, "If worse comes to worst, we're screwed." (Steven Wright). ;)




I gotcha...okay..let's sign up Bobby Knight.
 
I gotcha...okay..let's sign up Bobby Knight.

Brilliant post. Great arguments. :shakeno:

Read the post. Who are you going to suggest? Must be a Shula guy, based on your reaction. And that's a winner there! :lol:
 
Let's exhume Woody Hayes's body and clone his DNA.
 
If Brian Schottenheimer, a guy who has only one year of experience coordinating an offense, and precisely zero experience running anything on the scale an NFL head coach runs daily, was our best bet... we are truly screwed.

As far as Gailey goes, please explain why his tenure "defined mediocrity." He caused a group of talentless hacks to overachieve, and we last made the playoffs when he was running our offense.
 
Brilliant post. Great arguments. :shakeno:

Read the post. Who are you going to suggest? Must be a Shula guy, based on your reaction. And that's a winner there! :lol:



I am not a Shula guy.


I want Ted Marchibroda, Ray Handley, or Tom Olivadotti.
 
I'm sure I'll get flamed, but the "bandwagoneering" going on for Gailey, Shula, etc. is hard to believe.

First, Mike Shula never belonged as Alabama's head coach and does not even belong in the NFL as a coordinator. Of course, Don is going to support him. What else would he do? But, Shula failed as an OC in Tampa and Miami and he failed as a coach at Alabama. He had a very good automatic recruiting base and even without a full slate of scholarships (only a few were taken away each year) - he had significant talent to draw from. Then, with respect to the talent that was there - he could not get the job done.

Shula would do for the Dolphins what his brother Dave did for the Bengals.

Second, Gailey is a decent coach but nothing special. He hasn't shown the kind of leadership to really motivate players and bring together a great team. He was decent at Pittsburgh as a coordinator - but nothing extra special. The reality is, what made the Steeler engine go, from a coaching perspective, just retired. Coordinators on the O and D came and went throughout - and they rarely missed a beat. Gailey could not lead a group of veterans in Dallas - after following a coach (Switzer) wholly incapable of leading an NFL team.

And, while Gailey the OC here - his face was plastered in the dictionary under the word, "mediocrity."

The fact is, Brian Shottenheimer was probably our best option. Don't know why he pulled out. Marty S would be a decent option - he's had a winner every where he's been - but he looks to be out of the running.

Mora Jr. is still pretty much an unproven product. Atlanta didn't do anything special under him. He did have problems b/c of Vick's very inconsistent passing and the WR's they drafted turned out to be horrific. If they could catch passes the way an NFL WR is supposed to - they would have been a better team. So, he could still be a good coach, but it's difficult to tell. To be honest, if I'm Wayne H., I'm asking him, "Tell me now - are you going to bolt for college when the going gets tough? Do you really want to coach in the NFL?" And then I'm telling the world that is what he was asked - so that he looks bad if he does bolt.

Of course, Mr. Rivera is still out there. Personally, I haven't been that impressed with the Bears defensive schemes. Their success was largely about talent. They drafted well on defense. When a couple of players got hurt - they tumbled to mediocrity. That said, he may still be a very good coaching candidate. However, I'd prefer an offensive man just based on the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator. That would put Cameron into the mix, possibly.

Really, we need a good leader who can be one of these three: an innovator; a motivator; an intimidator. Ideally, all three qualities would be great.

I was hoping for Shottenheimer (the younger one) and I'd be pretty happy with Marty. But, since both of those are not available, I think Mora, Jr. has some youthful leadership that can be effective with the club. I'm not real excited about him. But, unless someone else pops up on the radar - that's a reasonable pick.

But, remember, "If worse comes to worst, we're screwed." (Steven Wright). ;)


Ok. So what happened with considering Cam Cameron.
 
He gave a super-crappy interview is what I heard.
I didn't want him to begin with anyways. So I'm happy his interview was crap. That's exactly why St. Louis didn't hire him last year.

I wish Scott Linehan was available. :boohoo:Man, he would be awesome.
 
Shula didnt belong as coach of Bama? Im not saying he should be an NFL coach but you have to look into the situation he was put in. He was only able to do limited recruiting due to NCAA restrictions on Bama and it really showed after he lost some good players to the NFL. But when he had a decent team he was 10-2. You dont get to 10-2 on accident.

Once again not saying he should be an NFL head coach.
 
I'm sure I'll get flamed, but the "bandwagoneering" going on for Gailey, Shula, etc. is hard to believe.

First, Mike Shula never belonged as Alabama's head coach and does not even belong in the NFL as a coordinator. Of course, Don is going to support him. What else would he do? But, Shula failed as an OC in Tampa and Miami and he failed as a coach at Alabama. He had a very good automatic recruiting base and even without a full slate of scholarships (only a few were taken away each year) - he had significant talent to draw from. Then, with respect to the talent that was there - he could not get the job done.

Shula would do for the Dolphins what his brother Dave did for the Bengals.

Second, Gailey is a decent coach but nothing special. He hasn't shown the kind of leadership to really motivate players and bring together a great team. He was decent at Pittsburgh as a coordinator - but nothing extra special. The reality is, what made the Steeler engine go, from a coaching perspective, just retired. Coordinators on the O and D came and went throughout - and they rarely missed a beat. Gailey could not lead a group of veterans in Dallas - after following a coach (Switzer) wholly incapable of leading an NFL team.

And, while Gailey the OC here - his face was plastered in the dictionary under the word, "mediocrity."

The fact is, Brian Shottenheimer was probably our best option. Don't know why he pulled out. Marty S would be a decent option - he's had a winner every where he's been - but he looks to be out of the running.

Mora Jr. is still pretty much an unproven product. Atlanta didn't do anything special under him. He did have problems b/c of Vick's very inconsistent passing and the WR's they drafted turned out to be horrific. If they could catch passes the way an NFL WR is supposed to - they would have been a better team. So, he could still be a good coach, but it's difficult to tell. To be honest, if I'm Wayne H., I'm asking him, "Tell me now - are you going to bolt for college when the going gets tough? Do you really want to coach in the NFL?" And then I'm telling the world that is what he was asked - so that he looks bad if he does bolt.

Of course, Mr. Rivera is still out there. Personally, I haven't been that impressed with the Bears defensive schemes. Their success was largely about talent. They drafted well on defense. When a couple of players got hurt - they tumbled to mediocrity. That said, he may still be a very good coaching candidate. However, I'd prefer an offensive man just based on the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator. That would put Cameron into the mix, possibly.

Really, we need a good leader who can be one of these three: an innovator; a motivator; an intimidator. Ideally, all three qualities would be great.

I was hoping for Shottenheimer (the younger one) and I'd be pretty happy with Marty. But, since both of those are not available, I think Mora, Jr. has some youthful leadership that can be effective with the club. I'm not real excited about him. But, unless someone else pops up on the radar - that's a reasonable pick.

But, remember, "If worse comes to worst, we're screwed." (Steven Wright). ;)

Decent perspective.

IMO if it's down to Mora J, Shula or Gailey, it would need to be Gailey. Right now we need someone who can steady the ship and get us back to winning ways. He would bring stability. Nothing flashy, just straightforward football. Play good defense, run the ball, mix in some passing and deep balls, no crazy half back options. That is exactly what we need right now.

My choice if they were available would be Cowher or Marty. Cannot believe how some folks diss Marty cos he's 63 or cos he has a bad playoff record. Hell, lets win a few games first before we worry bout the playoffs. He won was 12/4, 9/7 and 14/2 the last three years. He has a good team in the Chargers. He has proven himself over 20 years in this league! If he gets sacked we grab him. If he doesn't get Gailey.
 
I'm sure I'll get flamed, but the "bandwagoneering" going on for Gailey, Shula, etc. is hard to believe.

First, Mike Shula never belonged as Alabama's head coach and does not even belong in the NFL as a coordinator. Of course, Don is going to support him. What else would he do? But, Shula failed as an OC in Tampa and Miami and he failed as a coach at Alabama. He had a very good automatic recruiting base and even without a full slate of scholarships (only a few were taken away each year) - he had significant talent to draw from. Then, with respect to the talent that was there - he could not get the job done.

Shula would do for the Dolphins what his brother Dave did for the Bengals.

Second, Gailey is a decent coach but nothing special. He hasn't shown the kind of leadership to really motivate players and bring together a great team. He was decent at Pittsburgh as a coordinator - but nothing extra special. The reality is, what made the Steeler engine go, from a coaching perspective, just retired. Coordinators on the O and D came and went throughout - and they rarely missed a beat. Gailey could not lead a group of veterans in Dallas - after following a coach (Switzer) wholly incapable of leading an NFL team.

And, while Gailey the OC here - his face was plastered in the dictionary under the word, "mediocrity."

The fact is, Brian Shottenheimer was probably our best option. Don't know why he pulled out. Marty S would be a decent option - he's had a winner every where he's been - but he looks to be out of the running.

Mora Jr. is still pretty much an unproven product. Atlanta didn't do anything special under him. He did have problems b/c of Vick's very inconsistent passing and the WR's they drafted turned out to be horrific. If they could catch passes the way an NFL WR is supposed to - they would have been a better team. So, he could still be a good coach, but it's difficult to tell. To be honest, if I'm Wayne H., I'm asking him, "Tell me now - are you going to bolt for college when the going gets tough? Do you really want to coach in the NFL?" And then I'm telling the world that is what he was asked - so that he looks bad if he does bolt.

Of course, Mr. Rivera is still out there. Personally, I haven't been that impressed with the Bears defensive schemes. Their success was largely about talent. They drafted well on defense. When a couple of players got hurt - they tumbled to mediocrity. That said, he may still be a very good coaching candidate. However, I'd prefer an offensive man just based on the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator. That would put Cameron into the mix, possibly.

Really, we need a good leader who can be one of these three: an innovator; a motivator; an intimidator. Ideally, all three qualities would be great.

I was hoping for Shottenheimer (the younger one) and I'd be pretty happy with Marty. But, since both of those are not available, I think Mora, Jr. has some youthful leadership that can be effective with the club. I'm not real excited about him. But, unless someone else pops up on the radar - that's a reasonable pick.

But, remember, "If worse comes to worst, we're screwed." (Steven Wright). ;)
Pure crap!:shakeno: Schottenhiemer r u kiddin Puhleaze out of whats left id say we should go with capers. give him a big bonus this year, wait until about a week before the draft and bring in jimmy johnson and Bill Cowher as an outside consultant for the draft this yr. Next year you sign cowher Lmao:sidelol:
 
If Brian Schottenheimer, a guy who has only one year of experience coordinating an offense, and precisely zero experience running anything on the scale an NFL head coach runs daily, was our best bet... we are truly screwed.

As far as Gailey goes, please explain why his tenure "defined mediocrity." He caused a group of talentless hacks to overachieve, and we last made the playoffs when he was running our offense.
Agreed but is he who you truly want?:eek:
 
I didn't want him to begin with anyways. So I'm happy his interview was crap. That's exactly why St. Louis didn't hire him last year.

I wish Scott Linehan was available. :boohoo:Man, he would be awesome.


Yea really and what did he do that was so great in St Louis this year.
 
Really, we need a good leader who can be one of these three: an innovator; a motivator; an intimidator. Ideally, all three qualities would be great.
Rather than an "intimidator," I think we need someone who deserves and commands respect with his presence. And if you leave the innovation to the coordinators, then I think you have your man in Mike Singletary.
 
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