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-The 1st and most important is when people say this is the year we have to take a qb if he falls to us in the 1st round, obviously talking strictly about brady quinn.
I don't believe in taking a qb just because he is there. there are other more important needs for the team and they need impact players, not guys who will produce in 3 or 4 years. we spend a 2nd in c-pep last year and now you want to spend a 1st on a guy who plays the same position??? I don't think that's the best choice. you have to first evaluate culpepper for this upcoming season and then if he is not good/great anymore you take a chance on a qb, but next year!!
there will be a very strong class of qb for 2008 like brennan, brohm, henne and booty. all of them are 1st round talents. there is no need of forcing the issue.

-why would you not want to release harrington???
I keep hearing and reading about guys wanting the dolphins to stick with him for at least 1 more season. He won't get any better, plays scared, has a very average arm and a very big contract.
releasing him will mean a dolphin team more active in the FA market. I prefer to give a shot to cleo lemon, at least he has the arm to spread the field and throw some bombs to the receivers, plus he has a chance to get better every game and has familiarity with cam's system.

-guys taking shots at chambers every time they get the chance to do it.
I'm not a big chambers fan but at least I recognize he has the talent to be a great WR. how can a receiver be that good when defesnes just don't respect your running attack and focus on stoping your only liable receiving thread??? chambers gets double teams almost every game and has a safety covering his side always. how can you have consistant numbers when you have guys like culpepper, not healthy enough and throwing on basiclly one leg, and harrington(no need for description) as your qbs. chambers is not a top 5 receiver in the league but he knows how to get open and has nice speed. With a healthy culpepper he can have another probowl season, close to the one he had in 05

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diego's fins said:
-The 1st and most important is when people say this is the year we have to take a qb if he falls to us in the 1st round, obviously talking strictly about brady quinn.
I don't believe in taking a qb just because he is there. there are other more important needs for the team and they need impact players, not guys who will produce in 3 or 4 years. we spend a 2nd in c-pep last year and now you want to spend a 1st on a guy who plays the same position??? I don't think that's the best choice. you have to first evaluate culpepper for this upcoming season and then if he is not good/great anymore you take a chance on a qb, but next year!!
there will be a very strong class of qb for 2008 like brennan, brohm, henne and booty. all of them are 1st round talents. there is no need of forcing the issue.

-why would you not want to release harrington???
I keep hearing and reading about guys wanting the dolphins to stick with him for at least 1 more season. He won't get any better, plays scared, has a very average arm and a very big contract.
releasing him will mean a dolphin team more active in the FA market. I prefer to give a shot to cleo lemon, at least he has the arm to spread the field and throw some bombs to the receivers, plus he has a chance to get better every game and has familiarity with cam's system.

-guys taking shots at chambers every time they get the chance to do it.
I'm not a big chambers fan but at least I recognize he has the talent to be a great WR. how can a receiver be that good when defesnes just don't respect your running attack and focus on stoping your only liable receiving thread??? chambers gets double teams almost every game and has a safety covering his side always. how can you have consistant numbers when you have guys like culpepper, not healthy enough and throwing on basiclly one leg, and harrington(no need for description) as your qbs. chambers is not a top 5 receiver in the league but he knows how to get open and has nice speed. With a healthy culpepper he can have another probowl season, close to the one he had in 05

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1. People want a QB cause we haven't had a real talent since Marino left and CP is overrated and we need better.
2. People don't want Harrington b/c he isn't a real talent and we need better.
3. People dont' want Chambers cause he doesn't live up to a true #1 WR and we need better.

Seems pretty simple to me.
 
1: I think C-pep will be a different QB this year with another year of rehab under his belt. HOWEVER, waiting to draft the future (longer term) QB until we need him is what got us into this mess in the first place. The way to almost guarantee failure is to take a QB in the draft and stick him in the lineup from day 1 because you're out of other viable starters. Nope, grab Quinn if he falls, start a healthy Daunte for 1-3 years if he's got the legs and the gas, then bring a groomed Quinn in when he's ready/Daunte's not.

2: You have a point about Harrington's contract, but Joey is about the best BACKUP QB we could hope for right now. I would argue that with Daunte's knee an unknown, a quality and experienced backup is a cost we might just have to live with for a year to see how it pans out. I don't think Joey should start on an NFL team right now though.

3: How many times have fin fans argued about this??? I agree that Chambers is an incredible talent, but you can't make a case that he's been consistent. I consider him an unknown, even to this day, because we have failed to put a quality QB beside him. Give Chambers one year with a quality QB (if possible) before we trade him. We could be REALLY sorry otherwise.
 
I think

I think:

1) I think if Brady is there we should draft him a maybe other in 2-3 pick another QB if Brady is not there for us....

We cant continiu without drafting a good QB.... every year after Marino, we never draft a real good Qb, and we are paying the consecuens....


we give draft pick for other team Qb.... Fidler, Feely, Culppeper, Harrington, (the only averague-to good Qb there is DAnte, and I never like him....


But we need to draft a Qb like (Brady or Stanton).

3) And with Chambers I just hope he could be a consisten Wr, He should make not just the acrobatic catches, we need him to make easy catches, be consisten..... (and after few years of watching him I dont know if will ever be and elite WR, I think he is a good 2 Wr, but not a top 1 Wr.....
And I hope he could have the heart of Welker.
THat would be good.
 
1) Why take a franchise QB if he is there at nine? Because the only QB we drafted in years was Josh Heupel. Culpepper is only a shell of his former self, and I see him as nothing more than an above-average QB at best. His pro-bowl days are over. If Brady Quinn were to be there, you have to take him. He would be ready to start by year 2, and would probably take the field sooner than that. He is one of the most NFL ready QB's to come out in a few years, so that 3-4 year development is unnecessary.

2) Who is saying we should keep Harrington? Every post I've seen about Harrington says to cut him. Cleo Lemon showed in his very limited playing time (thanks again Saban :shakeno: ) that at worst he could be a backup rather than a number three QB. Harrington is alright as a backup, but I don't think he'll ever be anymore than that.

3) Why does everyone bash Chambers? Maybe its because he is one of the biggest teases in all of football. He is easily one of the five most gifted receivers in football, what does he have to show for it, 60 catches and 700 yards a year? I know that he has had horrible QB play, and a relatively weak supporting group of wideouts, but the guy has so much potential that those numbers should be better. He is getting paid like a number one and producing like a number two. I'd gladly take a second or third rounder for him.
 
If Quinn is there you dont have to take him, thats the trap that sets a franchise back years and years. You feel the pressure to take a guy you arent sold on because of the name. You take him because you believe he is great, not because he has a name and is there at #9
 
the dolphins are sold on quinn. thats why theyre looking at Shea for qb coach/OC. thats why theres rumors all over the place about them moving up in the draft for him.
 
- why would you not want to release harrington???
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I dunno, because he's the only healthy and experienced QB on the roster? :goof:

You must be giving a LOT of credit to Mularkey's offense, to bash Harrington like that. In a way, he goes from one crap system in Detroit - to another crap system in Miami. It just wasn't a very good O last year period.

That doesn't excuse his problems - the guy was inconsistent - he DID have some good games. His 4th quarter at New York was the most exciting quarter of Dolphin football all year, Joey was awesome throwing for 200 yards in a single quarter.

Sorry I totally disagree with you -- Gee I wonder why other QB's like Aikman, Bradshaw, Simms, Boomer, Young, Salisbury, etc all seem to like Harrington - do you suppose they know more about the QB position than a bunch of bloggers on a message board?

Joey Harrington has a very good arm - can throw rockets - and guess what, Cam Cameron's Offense is not about heaving deep bombs. If that's what you're looking for, sorry - Cameron runs more of a fast short passing game. Which would appear to suit Joey's game more than Daunte....

- guys taking shots at chambers every time they get the chance to do it.
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Tell me, why it's OK to take your shots at Harrington but not Chambers? :rolleyes2
 
Drafting Quinn would be a mistake, Daunte will come back and play very well for us for 3-4 years, meaning Quinn would sit wasting away for far too long and we would have way too much money tied up at QB.

Harrington has to go, he just flat out doesn't have it and everyone knows it. We should draft a QB in the LATE rounds for future development, get rid of Joey and let Cleo back up Daunte.

Chambers deserves just one more shot, he has shown flashes, hopefully with a healthy Daunte and a new WR coach, Chambers turns it around. If not, then next year he has to go.
 
1) Because there's no evidence to show that CP is coming back anything like he played like at one time. So waiting to see if he bombs again is going to put us another year in the hole. It will take at least one/two years for a QB to develop into a pro QB in the NFL, so why not get them on the roster now (if they are available). I'll leave the determination of potential franchise QB up to the team mgmt, not us or a bunch of know it all's in the press.

2) I think most people here probably agree with you on Joey. With his contract the way it is, he probably will be cut. But a couple of key things to remember. First, we gave up a 5th round draft pick to get him here, so do we just want to waste that and kick him to the curb? And second, with DC still a big ?, we better be darn sure Cleo can step in and take over the reigns if called upon. Not saying yes/no to either question, just things to consider.

3) Chambers is being picked apart here because after signing a big contract after one big year he had, his production has seriously declined. Now we can debate to the end of days whether it was him, the OC, the line, QB, etc., but the fact is, he's not playing like a top WR and everyone is asking why we are paying him like one? I'd like to keep him here, but I'd also like him to do something with his contract to help out the cap space. Win/win for everyone. But I doubt it will happen.
 
diego's fins said:
-The 1st and most important is when people say this is the year we have to take a qb if he falls to us in the 1st round, obviously talking strictly about brady quinn.
I don't believe in taking a qb just because he is there. there are other more important needs for the team and they need impact players, not guys who will produce in 3 or 4 years. we spend a 2nd in c-pep last year and now you want to spend a 1st on a guy who plays the same position??? I don't think that's the best choice. you have to first evaluate culpepper for this upcoming season and then if he is not good/great anymore you take a chance on a qb, but next year!!
there will be a very strong class of qb for 2008 like brennan, brohm, henne and booty. all of them are 1st round talents. there is no need of forcing the issue.

-why would you not want to release harrington???
I keep hearing and reading about guys wanting the dolphins to stick with him for at least 1 more season. He won't get any better, plays scared, has a very average arm and a very big contract.
releasing him will mean a dolphin team more active in the FA market. I prefer to give a shot to cleo lemon, at least he has the arm to spread the field and throw some bombs to the receivers, plus he has a chance to get better every game and has familiarity with cam's system.

-guys taking shots at chambers every time they get the chance to do it.
I'm not a big chambers fan but at least I recognize he has the talent to be a great WR. how can a receiver be that good when defesnes just don't respect your running attack and focus on stoping your only liable receiving thread??? chambers gets double teams almost every game and has a safety covering his side always. how can you have consistant numbers when you have guys like culpepper, not healthy enough and throwing on basiclly one leg, and harrington(no need for description) as your qbs. chambers is not a top 5 receiver in the league but he knows how to get open and has nice speed. With a healthy culpepper he can have another probowl season, close to the one he had in 05

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1 - As much of a Culpepper fan that I am, we can't count on him to be our QB for 16 games. I think drafting a QB in the 1st gives us hope for the future and next season if Culpepper can't play the full season.

2 - I agree with you on Harrington. Cut ties with him and let Cleo get a shot unless we draft a QB in the 1st.

3 - I agree with you again. If you look at all the top WR in this league, they all have nothing less than a consistent QB, and a WR opposite them that doesn't allow the defense to double up on him. The only exception might be Roy Williams. My point is, that you need a viable or equally consistent threat opposite Chambers. Look at some of the best combos or that are productive and consistent none the less: Harrison/Wayne, Holt/Bruce, Walker/Smith, Boldin/Fitzgerald, Coles/Cotchery, Horn/Colston, Stallworth/Brown, Smith/Johnson, Owens/Glenn, Burress/Toomer, Driver/Jennings. Some might not look as strong, but they are.
 
diego's fins said:
-The 1st and most important is when people say this is the year we have to take a qb if he falls to us in the 1st round, obviously talking strictly about brady quinn.
I don't believe in taking a qb just because he is there. there are other more important needs for the team and they need impact players, not guys who will produce in 3 or 4 years. we spend a 2nd in c-pep last year and now you want to spend a 1st on a guy who plays the same position??? I don't think that's the best choice. you have to first evaluate culpepper for this upcoming season and then if he is not good/great anymore you take a chance on a qb, but next year!!
there will be a very strong class of qb for 2008 like brennan, brohm, henne and booty. all of them are 1st round talents. there is no need of forcing the issue.
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Theres 8 years of reasons why the issue needs to be forced.
 
not again...

it's time to "show me the production".

It wasn't there from any QB that played for us last year.
It wasn't there from chambers.

A great QB can hide a lot of other problems. That is why i am all for drafting a QB every year until we find a star. Chambers is a huge disapointment at the #1 WR. The guy just can't get open, he dosent seperate from coverage and he dosent go up and get the d*** ball when it is in traffic, he is gutless ever since Atwater put the wood to him a few years ago.
 
Mr772 said:
not again...

it's time to "show me the production".

It wasn't there from any QB that played for us last year.
It wasn't there from chambers.

A great QB can hide a lot of other problems. That is why i am all for drafting a QB every year until we find a star. Chambers is a huge disapointment at the #1 WR. The guy just can't get open, he dosent seperate from coverage and he dosent go up and get the d*** ball when it is in traffic, he is gutless ever since Atwater put the wood to him a few years ago.
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That's BS. It wasn't Atwater, he had already retired, it was Kennedy.
 
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