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Just re-watching the offensive snaps versus the Bucs, and a HUGE difference I notice between our new offense and the ones we ran under Sparano is the difference in our short passes. Re-watch CK's video on Tannehill's snaps, pretty much every short pass is designed so that the receiver can keep moving forward.

That doesn't sound like a big deal, but let's paint a picture.

Under Sparano, when we through a pass to the RB, the RB would stop and then have to start back up again. Tannehill throws a swing pass to Miller, and Miller never had to break stride. What would have been a loss or a short gain a year or 2 ago, ended up being an 8-9 yard gain.

I knew we'd have a more open playbook, but after looking at the plays again, it's pretty remarkable how much more movement our WRs routes have. It's part of the reason we were so stagnant with Henning as the OC. Tannehill actually liking playaction and being good at it compared to Henne helps to.
 
There is a flip-side. Most of the routes are timing routes. There are fewer reads/progressions. This can be a problem when teams start using zone blitzes. Tannehill will have to read these or he will just throw right to the LB's falling into coverage. This is a real concern that I have with him...does he make the reads. Yes, he can throw...but we haven't seen full blitz packages yet.
 
well during the Bucs game I saw Tannehill make a few good adjustments at the line. One ended up being an incomplete to Egnew, another was the swing to Miller. Tannehill does understand the adjustments (his QB Camp showed) he just has to make the right ones.
 
he recognized blitz pressure and unnaccounted for rush guys at the los and threw to his hot multiple times in the bucs game...pretty vanilla pressure looks but still he made the right presnap decisions...
 
Nice post and observation. I always thought our yac was way below avg.
 
AJDUHEJETKILLER said:
Nice post and observation. I always thought our yac was way below avg.
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We never really used Marshall to his strengths. In Denver, they used him a lot on short passes and he used his strength to get YAC. Henning, and to a lesser extent Daboll, tried to use him as a deep threat. He has that ability, but it isn't his strength. Same with throwing him jump balls. He can win them, but it's not his main game. He's a quick slant and break the tackle type WR.

Now Henning used Bess properly, Daboll's use of Bess was the one thing that irritated me.

But again, we ran a bunch of routes to the sidelines or just fly patterns. Our pass game under Sparano wasn't really made for big plays. And you can win with dink and dunk (Patriots) but you have to have the threat that those plays can be broken for big gains. Based on what I saw against the Bucs, the potential is there for the big play. Under Sparano, the big plays were either trick plays (Wild Cat setup where Pennington ended up with the ball and threw to a wide open Patrick Cobbs), or the rare deep throw. Off the top of my head, the only 2 TD plays I remember that weren't trick plays or called bombs were David Martin against the 9ers where he broke a tackle after a jump ball, and Marlon Moore (of all people) breaking a tackle against Oakland.
 
I would argue that Henne was not very good at throwing to guys moving across his field vision. That isn't to say that Sparano wanted to run slants. Lord knows I hope he hates them, because I think that is Sanchez's strength.
 
laxcoach said:
I would argue that Henne was not very good at throwing to guys moving across his field vision. That isn't to say that Sparano wanted to run slants. Lord knows I hope he hates them, because I think that is Sanchez's strength.
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Honestly, put Sanchez in a West Coast Offense and he'd be considered a huge asset.
 
While we're on the topic of offensive tendencies let's talk about the fact that 18 of Ryan Tannehill's 23 pass snaps came out of the shotgun.

Or the fact that even if you exclude the first 7 plays which came in a 2 minute drill, about 2 out of 3 pass plays were shotgun.

They only dropped Ryan Tannehill back 5 times, and 3 of them were play-action passes. On one of the play-action passes, Tannehill read something up the field and immediately decided to scramble for yardage after that one read. No hesitation. It essentially seemed like his second option. On both other play-action passes, he got what he wanted and threw the ball, and threw it well. One was the roll out to Clay that everyone remembers.

But on the two drop back plays that were not play-action passes...I'm going to be honest, Ryan Tannehill looked pretty shaky on both plays. One of them he mind bogglingly overthrew a 6'5" Michael Egnew who was no more than like 10 yards away from Ryan. On another he threw high to Julius Pruitt in the flat, and somehow Pruitt managed to come down with the ball but there was no RAC possibility and the ball seemed like it might have come out a little late...very little yardage on that play.

Will be interesting to see how the passing game is called tonight against Carolina.
 
laxcoach said:
I would argue that Henne was not very good at throwing to guys moving across his field vision. That isn't to say that Sparano wanted to run slants. Lord knows I hope he hates them, because I think that is Sanchez's strength.
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it is...no question

pretty obvious to me watching that bucs game that tanny is not comfortable taking regular pro drops...3...5...and...7 step...he's got a lot of work to do... but so did cam newton when he came out
 
ckparrothead said:
While we're on the topic of offensive tendencies let's talk about the fact that 18 of Ryan Tannehill's 23 pass snaps came out of the shotgun.

Or the fact that even if you exclude the first 7 plays which came in a 2 minute drill, about 2 out of 3 pass plays were shotgun.

They only dropped Ryan Tannehill back 5 times, and 3 of them were play-action passes. On one of the play-action passes, Tannehill read something up the field and immediately decided to scramble for yardage after that one read. No hesitation. It essentially seemed like his second option. On both other play-action passes, he got what he wanted and threw the ball, and threw it well. One was the roll out to Clay that everyone remembers.

But on the two drop back plays that were not play-action passes...I'm going to be honest, Ryan Tannehill looked pretty shaky on both plays. One of them he mind bogglingly overthrew a 6'5" Michael Egnew who was no more than like 10 yards away from Ryan. On another he threw high to Julius Pruitt in the flat, and somehow Pruitt managed to come down with the ball but there was no RAC possibility and the ball seemed like it might have come out a little late...very little yardage on that play.

Will be interesting to see how the passing game is called tonight against Carolina.
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Interesting it will be. The Egnew pass kind of looked like a combo of Tanny overthrowing and Egnew falling, but still the ball came out weird. It's something to keep an eye on but I don't see it as a worry yet.
 
ChambersWI said:
Just re-watching the offensive snaps versus the Bucs, and a HUGE difference I notice between our new offense and the ones we ran under Sparano is the difference in our short passes. Re-watch CK's video on Tannehill's snaps, pretty much every short pass is designed so that the receiver can keep moving forward.

That doesn't sound like a big deal, but let's paint a picture.

Under Sparano, when we through a pass to the RB, the RB would stop and then have to start back up again. Tannehill throws a swing pass to Miller, and Miller never had to break stride. What would have been a loss or a short gain a year or 2 ago, ended up being an 8-9 yard gain.

I knew we'd have a more open playbook, but after looking at the plays again, it's pretty remarkable how much more movement our WRs routes have. It's part of the reason we were so stagnant with Henning as the OC. Tannehill actually liking playaction and being good at it compared to Henne helps to.
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That is the WC offense
 
ChambersWI said:
Interesting it will be. The Egnew pass kind of looked like a combo of Tanny overthrowing and Egnew falling, but still the ball came out weird. It's something to keep an eye on but I don't see it as a worry yet.
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looked to me like he was trying to aim it...thinkng about it too much
 
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