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Something to Consider (about Henne, of course)

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Here's something to consider about Chad Henne.

He led 6 drives prior to the Bills and Jets games. He scored on 3 of them (2 TDs, 1 FG). That led Dan Henning to say that if you project those numbers over a career, that's a hall of famer. Well, through two starts, those numbers have not only projected out, but they've gotten better. He's now at 25 drives, with 10 TDs and 3 FGs. That's 3.16 points per drive. Most NFL games give you 10 to 12 drives. This averages to between 31 and 38 points per game.

What is more ridiculous about the data? The 8 TD drives averaged 69.5 yards per drive. That's ridiculous. Only one of them had the benefit of being shorter than 50 yards. The 3 FG drives averaged 57 yards, and only one of those had the benefit of being shorter than 50 yards (it was 44).

Now, it's not all grand. Of the 25 drives, 7 of them have gone less than 5 yards before stalling out. That's not good. When you're trying to play defensive, run-oriented field position games, you need to minimize those three-and-outs because they damage you. That's something they need to work on.

Was it all against bad defenses? You be the judge. The Cardinals went to the Super Bowl with that 2008 defense, and the day they played us their D were on fire and having a terrific home game (they played really well at home that year). The Chargers have a fairly porous defense. But if you ex- out the Miami games, the Jets had a #4 scoring defense and the Bills had a #13 scoring defense. I would say on the whole the defenses were between mediocre and good...and yet he led offenses that scored 31 points in each of his two starts, and he scored on about the same pace on the 6 drives he had prior to those starts.

This could be the start of something very exciting. Now think of all of that and then imagine what the offense could look like if they had a special teams or defensive unit that gave them short field position with fair frequency. Yikes.

Editor's Note: Yes I realize that I'm tossing out one of the San Diego drives. It was two plays, from the Miami 2 yard line, with 30 seconds left in a 23-13 ball game. That's a throwaway drive. Dan Henning also threw that drive away when he made his comment.
 
I also know that many of these drives were run-oriented. That's fine. This isn't about just Chad Henne. This is about a Chad Henne-led offense, and the capabilities/potential that it has shown through 25 drives worth of experimentation. Right now we're good at running the ball. We hope that will continue. But some of these drives took a lot of passing and some of them took a lot of running.

I just think it's a pretty exciting overall indicator of what this team COULD be capable of, if they start clicking on all cylinders. There have been plenty of criticisms of Dan Henning, and some of them have been fair. However, this is something you need to keep in mind, that perhaps Chad Henne is just the QB that makes Henning's offenses look productive on the scoreboard, in addition to being savvy when it comes to winning ball games.
 
The next 3 stretches of games will tell us so much more, don't be surprised to see that drop off.

In the next 3 games, Miami will be facing 3 top 10 NFL teams on most people's board.

I'm really interested about the Saints game. The Saints are known to some as the best team in the NFL right now and a top 3 team to just about everyone.

If we can find a way to be successful against the Saints and come out with a win, this team is gonna do some special things this year.

If the Fins can beat the Saints, they can beat anyone.
 
The next 3 stretches of games will tell us so much more, don't be surprised to see that drop off.

In the next 3 games, Miami will be facing 3 top 10 NFL teams on most people's board.

I'm really interested about the Saints game. The Saints are known to some as the best team in the NFL right now and a top 3 team to just about everyone.

If we can find a way to be successful against the Saints and come out with a win, this team is gonna do some special things this year.

If the Fins can beat the Saints, they can beat anyone.

You don't expect any offense to keep up this kind of pace. It would be ridiculous. That's a record breaking pace. Nonetheless it is very impressive and speaks very highly of this offense's capability with Henne at the helm.

I tend to agree that if they can beat the Saints then now the conversation becomes that with Chad Henne at the helm instead of Chad Pennington, these Dolphins are capable of beating any team in the NFL, and therefore we should expect them to not only go to the playoffs but to make some noise there as well.

The Saints are an excellent team, and we'll see how they play this week, but I believe they could be about to enter something of a mid-season doldrums period for them after such a hot start, where they could even lose to a surprising 2-3 team that came off a bye week with two weeks to prepare for them.

Then you have a game up in New York, big time grudge match. The Jets would have the natural advantage in that game, if they don't start stumbling against the Bills and Raiders, because there is always a good chance of our team being over-confident after the first win and their team absolutely fuming about it, coming out and hitting us in the mouth and taking back what they lost to get even. But, I can't help but wonder if the loudmouths on that team squandered a lot of that advantage when they decided to keep talking trash after they lost. Miami dominated in the trenches, it was a genuine victory. It was stupid to poke a potentially sleepy tiger in the eye only three weeks before you face again.

I don't know that I can say that I expect a victory against the Saints. But, some of that does depend on what happens this week for the Saints.
 
This offense is definately interesting to watch with basically 3 formations: conventional, Wildcat, and spread. We really haven't seen that much of the spread,either. Pat White has thrown one pass out of the spread that I can remember, against Atlanta (over threw a wide open Ginn).

The only thing is, I'm not sure the spread will work as well in the NFL as the Wildcat does. Defenses are just too fast. What do you think CK?
 
saints

the odds is big, the tide is high and so the Saints in the sky

but the fins will make a scene to a win

go fins yah dudes
 
yeah its kind of crazy... we are scoring at will with him in the game... i did a post comparing our offensive output with Penny and with Henne since they have both played about 2.5 games and the numbers are crazy...

Offensive Team Stats:
Chad Pennington
2.5 games 776 yards (310.4 ypg) 33 pts (13.2 ppg)

Chad Henne
2.5 games 924 yards (369.6 ypg) 79 pts (31.6 ppg)

but i think the Oline continuing to gel together has helped this as well... but regardless you cant just ignore the incredible jump in yardage and ppg
 
I'd like to see the numbers reworked after the second Jets game because we will have faced the very good defenses of the Saints and Jets again, plus a decent Patriot defense. Keep in mind that defenses now have to respect the big play ability along with dealing with the base running game and WC. You would think the offense will continue to produce big numbers with all the options that are being seen.
 
You guys have me pumped right now. Can't wait for the Saints game.

I think it's even a huge advantage to see the Giants play the Saints a week before. That way we might be able to have a blueprint how to beat the Saints.
 
If our O-line plays like they did Monday night....we win

I wish. But the truth is that we have to fix the secondary or Brees will light it up as quickly as Manning did.
 
yeah its kind of crazy... we are scoring at will with him in the game... i did a post comparing our offensive output with Penny and with Henne since they have both played about 2.5 games and the numbers are crazy...

Offensive Team Stats:
Chad Pennington
2.5 games 776 yards (310.4 ypg) 33 pts (13.2 ppg)

Chad Henne
2.5 games 924 yards (369.6 ypg) 79 pts (31.6 ppg)

but i think the Oline continuing to gel together has helped this as well... but regardless you cant just ignore the incredible jump in yardage and ppg


well, well well! I see my finheaven prediction coming to fruition. I stated in a past thread that when Henne starts to play. "people will start talking about how good our offensive line is looking and how good our receivers are starting to play". well, well well. Its amazing what you can do on offense when you don't have 10 men in the box. I like Pennington, but he is what he is. A super backup with a weak arm.
 
well, well well! I see my finheaven prediction coming to fruition. I stated in a past thread that when Henne starts to play. "people will start talking about how good our offensive line is looking and how good our receivers are starting to play". well, well well. Its amazing what you can do on offense when you don't have 10 men in the box. I like Pennington, but he is what he is. A super backup with a weak arm.

some of us have been saying this since last year that Henne opens up the offense more... good to see it coming true because we needed it
 
yeah its kind of crazy... we are scoring at will with him in the game... i did a post comparing our offensive output with Penny and with Henne since they have both played about 2.5 games and the numbers are crazy...

Offensive Team Stats:
Chad Pennington
2.5 games 776 yards (310.4 ypg) 33 pts (13.2 ppg)

Chad Henne
2.5 games 924 yards (369.6 ypg) 79 pts (31.6 ppg)

but i think the Oline continuing to gel together has helped this as well... but regardless you cant just ignore the incredible jump in yardage and ppg

Having a QB that has the ability to convert in 3rd and long situations can do wonders for an offense.
 
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