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Saban on November 21, 2005:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=4231

You guys are asking me a lot of questions about making decisions about what to do, based on how the season is going. What I am focused on is, turning the corner because we are building the team for the future, so where we are this season doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t really matter. We want to see guys compete so we can know whether they need to be here, we want them to be here and if they are the kind of people we want. That is what we are trying to find out. The record doesn’t really matter, the result doesn’t matter and the score in the game doesn’t really matter. Does that make sense to anybody besides me? Making decisions based on record, where we are, how much time is left in the game or what the score is, that is not how decisions are going to get made around here. They are going to be made about building a team in the future for this franchise that can be successful. That is what is how they are going to be made.
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Saban from January 21, 2005:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3710

I think we have some good players, and I think we have some issues that we have to try to solve. Whether we can do that all in one year...you've got to look at the big picture. Do you make value decisions that are going to be best long-term for the organization, or do you compromise the future of the organization by making short-term decisions to get better quickly?

Everybody can make their assessment of what's been done here in the past. That's not for me to judge. But we would like to make value decisions so that we can be long-term competitive.
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My question is this -- did he say this season didn't matter on January 21st? What do you all think?

Which parts of the quotes give you trouble, if any?
 
He's not saying that the season doesn't matter in either excerpt.

This season in terms of success or fail has little to do with the standings.
 
shouright said:
Saban on November 21, 2005:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=4231

[/font]Saban from January 21, 2005:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3710

My question is this -- did he say this season didn't matter on January 21st? What do you all think?

Which parts of the quotes give you trouble, if any?
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He has been saying the same thing the whole time but now people are just reading what they want into it. The same thing Dikta blasted Saban for at the PC on Monday in MMQB was what he was praising him for when they were 2-1 and he was saying almost the exact samething. Only thing that has changed?? THe record of our team..so people read into it as Saban saying he is giving up.
 
I am still failing to see what people are getting all hot and bothered over.

The guy is preaching the same thing he did when he was hired.

It is about the process. Ignore the score, your record and what the clock says. Do YOUR job the way your supposed to do YOUR job and the results will come as long as you do YOUR job.

The guy preaches a very simple principle, it is just a case of the players buying into it. If they won't he'll find some who do.

We'll win. I am just as excited today as I was the day he was hired....probably more. I did'nt know a lot about him in January.

What I do know, and watch and hear RESPECTED FOOTBALL PEOPLE say about him makes me giddy. The people that think he will WIN BIG in Miami are football people. The doubters are the kneejerk/instant gratification people in the media and the fans. It takes longer then 10 months to weed out the players thast he does'nt want, find the players that he does want and change the culture of this franchise.

I'm comparing him to JJ in Dallas...the Cowboy fans and media had his head on the choppng block. He did what he did and look at the results. He did it HIS WAY and did not listen to the fans or the media. As soon as Saban starts to do things the way the damn media and some fans weant him to do it and stops telling the truth about the PROCESS then it is a BIG problem.

I REALLY think people have forgotten what Dave Wannstedt did to this franchise. He poisened this team, left them aging and very thin at every position. Instilled a losing/play not to lose/play scared mentality.

It will take a HELL of a lot longer then 10 months to change 4 years of abuse.

For all the people who don't want to wait I say, "pick another damn team". Just don't come crawling back in 3 years when we are a damn contender.
 
What some people failed to realize is, he was talking about the decision making process.

Not that winning doesn't matter. It does, but it doesn't matter relative to decision making.

An example would be, you wouldn't keep a bad player on your team because you won a lot of games. You would still look to replace him and in doing so, winning didn't matter (for that player).

Its a shame that totally went over people's heads.
 
I dunno. This topic is getting old real fast. Maybe Saban could have been more tactful in what he said the other day. Some people liked his honesty, though. Most of us think he's right in investing in the future. And everyone, of course, wished our team was better right now. Let's just move on already...
 
What I have noticed is since this is a well thought out thread with some good responses it is getting ignored by the masses...a shame really.

I was hoping phinking, thecoordinator or pete would come in and add their points of view ( he says as he stirs the pot a little more :evil: ).
 
Thanks for puting that together shoutright. I think what he was saying is the long term future of the franchise is more important than the results of this season. Dosnt mean he isnt trying to win now just that his priority is building a team that will be a sb contender for years. The thing I dont think people realize is that Saban hates to lose with a passion. If anyone wants to know what kind of intensity he has about the game of football all you have to do is ask an LSU fan about Saban raging on the sidline to a player that just screwed up when LSU is already up by 50. The guy is just flat out a competitor. He wants to win but he wants too win because he has a team that is playing the right way, for instance he has said that one of the worst things a team can do is play badly and win. He is a little like Lary Brown in this regard, if you play the game the right way the wining will take care of itself.
 
dude espn is gay...who cares what saban says...like talk about how good ronnie brown is going to be...i lost all respect to them
 
Why can't people stop trying to read something into everything Saban says? Read the transcript of yesterday's PC. When you look at his quotes in context, you can see he was talking about deciding whether or not certain players should get a chance based on the team's record. He said they need to earn their chance to play, the record doesn't matter.

I don't understand why this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. At least the TO ruling will come out tomorrow so people will start to focus on something else.
 
CanadaPhinsFan said:
Why can't people stop trying to read something into everything Saban says? Read the transcript of yesterday's PC. When you look at his quotes in context, you can see he was talking about deciding whether or not certain players should get a chance based on the team's record. He said they need to earn their chance to play, the record doesn't matter.

I don't understand why this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. At least the TO ruling will come out tomorrow so people will start to focus on something else.
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I tried hard to hear the reporter's question during the PC just before he gave the top quote above. Did anyone hear that clearly? In his answer just before that question, Saban was talking about Zach's injury and how long he'll be out.
 
shouright said:
I tried hard to hear the reporter's question during the PC just before he gave the top quote above. Did anyone hear that clearly? In his answer just before that question, Saban was talking about Zach's injury and how long he'll be out.
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If you go to the Dolphin's site and read the transcript it has a brief description of what he is talking about in each segment. Really it's the exact same thing he's been saying since day 1.
 
shellgh0st said:
What some people failed to realize is, he was talking about the decision making process.

Not that winning doesn't matter. It does, but it doesn't matter relative to decision making.

An example would be, you wouldn't keep a bad player on your team because you won a lot of games. You would still look to replace him and in doing so, winning didn't matter (for that player).

Its a shame that totally went over people's heads.
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But, if we did that, we would have gotten rid of Fiedler years ago...;)
 
ether79 said:
He has been saying the same thing the whole time but now people are just reading what they want into it. The same thing Dikta blasted Saban for at the PC on Monday in MMQB was what he was praising him for when they were 2-1 and he was saying almost the exact samething. Only thing that has changed?? THe record of our team..so people read into it as Saban saying he is giving up.
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The only way you can read it what Saban has said...is he isn't placing himself in the position to have to give up...the season wasn't about winning...it was ONLY about learning....something he could have done with Game film.
 
fishypete said:
The only way you can read it too what Saban has said...is he isn't placing himself in the position to have to give up...the season wasn't about winning...it was ONLY about learning....something he could have done with Game film.
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How can you realy evaluate how players will play in a certain system by watching them play in a completly differant sytem?
 
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