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I have a really good friend who is a die hard vikings fan. I called him and let him know what is coming from having spielman in the organization. I said he will set them back a good 15 years. We had a good chuckle over spielman's idotic moves with the fins such as trading up one spot to select Carey and giving a 4th rounder in the deal(What an idot) and of course the 2nd for feeley.
 
what I'm going to have a good chuckle over is. When Rick S. does good in Minny and all of the people like you are on this board saying how you never really thought he was that bad to begin with.
 
What are you smoking? Spielman couldn't run a mini mart. How can you even hint at Spielman being successful in any capacity? Wait, he could be a good water boy! BTW, you don't know me, if I am wrong I will say I am wrong. I don't waffle, period. So please refrain from criticizing me for saying spielman will fail!
 
Noodleman said:
What are you smoking? Spielman couldn't run a mini mart. How can you even hint at Spielman being successful in any capacity? Wait, he could be a good water boy! BTW, you don't know me, if I am wrong I will say I am wrong. I don't waffle, period. So please refrain from criticizing me for saying spielman will fail!
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I didn't necessarily mean you would change your stance on him. When i refered to you i was refering to the people who think he has zero chance for success. and given these two posts i think you do fall into that category.

Now as for why i think he will some some degree of success. for one he is not being asked to make them superbowl bound in one offseason. two he does have an eye for talent. he wanted Drew Brees and A. Boldin, Wanstadt didn't so we didn't draft them. Third I'm sure he has learned from what mistakes he has made and will not make them again.
 
I am basing my opinion of him in the capacity that he held the same position with the bears and failed there. So he has successfully failed in two positions. The only saving grace is that he will not be in charge of decisions. The reality is that he failed miserably in all aspects of the GM position. I will give you Bolden but the reality is he is measured by his moves to this point. If that is his legacy, it is quite questionable to say the least. This is the same guy who traded a fourth pick to move up ONE spot in the draft to take a guy who would have been there with the fins original pick. Also you fail to mention the Feeley trade. How am I supposed to take your reference of YOU as any different than saying me?
You can still be a terrible Gm and have good picks. He was here when the fins brought in MCmichael for example. The bottom line is that he hurt the fins franchise with his decisions. That is a point you can't argue.
 
Noodleman said:
I am basing my opinion of him in the capacity that he held the same position with the bears and failed there. So he has successfully failed in two positions. The only saving grace is that he will not be in charge of decisions. The reality is that he failed miserably in all aspects of the GM position. I will give you Bolden but the reality is he is measured by his moves to this point. If that is his legacy, it is quite questionable to say the least. This is the same guy who traded a fourth pick to move up ONE spot in the draft to take a guy who would have been there with the fins original pick. Also you fail to mention the Feeley trade. How am I supposed to take your reference of YOU as any different than saying me?
You can still be a terrible Gm and have good picks. He was here when the fins brought in MCmichael for example. The bottom line is that he hurt the fins franchise with his decisions. That is a point you can't argue.
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You forget to mention the common link between the Bears and Dolphins, Wanstadt. Wanstadt is guy who i feel will never have success as a head coach not even at pittsburg.

The A.J. Feeley trade falls under him having to make the team a Superbowl team in one season. he was told to get a QB so that is what he did. Philly knowing he was desperate forced his hand and got a 2nd rounder from him. He will not be in that desperation mode in Minny so he will not make that mistake.

People also bring up the Lamar Gordon trade. I actually liked that trade. Ricky was gone, Running game was doing nothin. Gordon showed a lot of promise in St. Louis so a 3rd was a good deal IMO. Gordon comes in does good then gets hurt and isn't the same. that was not Ricks fault.
 
KingCrowder said:
what I'm going to have a good chuckle over is. When Rick S. does good in Minny and all of the people like you are on this board saying how you never really thought he was that bad to begin with.
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lol, Minny will do O.K. so long as he doesn't have the final say in decisions.
 
did you not hear his idiotic comments on ESPN. what excuse do you have for those comments he made? i will admit he has an eye for talent but that doesnt make you a good GM, as he has already proven.

some say he wanted brees and boldin, but how do you really know for sure? has he gone on record and said that Wanny over-ruled him? i dont think he ever has gone on record. if he has then please show me a link showing he has.

while, he has made some decent draft picks but giving up a 4th for carey when carey would of been there for us, just shows he is still unexperienced and can be had. im not going flame him but from what i have seen so far, i have no faith in him in being a good GM.

if he would of never joined ESPN, then maybe i would give him the benefit of the doubt, but after hearing his idiotic comments time and time again. i just dont know how the guy ever got the job. then again, its ESPN, they have a knack for this kinda stuff. lol.

i truly feel sorry for minny but then again after they robbing us for a 4th on carey. im glad they are getting whats coming to them. i truly do wish him luck, but as i said, i have no faith in him.
 
fins4o8 said:
did you not hear his idiotic comments on ESPN. what excuse do you have for those comments he made? i will admit he has an eye for talent but that doesnt make you a good GM, as he has already proven.

some say he wanted brees and boldin, but how do you really know for sure? has he gone on record and said that Wanny over-ruled him? i dont think he ever has gone on record. if he has then please show me a link showing he has.

while, he has made some decent draft picks but giving up a 4th for carey when carey would of been there for us, just shows he is still unexperienced and can be had. im not going flame him but from what i have seen so far, i have no faith in him in being a good GM.

if he would of never joined ESPN, then maybe i would give him the benefit of the doubt, but after hearing his idiotic comments time and time again. i just dont know how the guy ever got the job. then again, its ESPN, they have a knack for this kinda stuff. lol.

i truly feel sorry for minny but then again after they robbing us for a 4th on carey. im glad they are getting whats coming to them. i truly do wish him luck, but as i said, i have no faith in him.
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I agree, this guy has no business being a part of football.
 
I've always said I thought he wasn't as bad as most people said.

As for Feeley...Feeley just never had the opportunity to grow with the offense. Wanny was never going to give him the "proper" chance. Fiedler was his man all the time. I don't think he was worth a 2nd, but most people on this board at that time were wanting ANY change and were wiling to give a 1st rounder for it. Even for a possibility.

Every human has the capability to improve when they get another shot at the same job. I personally think he will do much better in Minny.
 
gunn34 said:
I've always said I thought he wasn't as bad as most people said.

As for Feeley...Feeley just never had the opportunity to grow with the offense. Wanny was never going to give him the "proper" chance. Fiedler was his man all the time. I don't think he was worth a 2nd, but most people on this board at that time were wanting ANY change and were wiling to give a 1st rounder for it. Even for a possibility.

Every human has the capability to improve when they get another shot at the same job. I personally think he will do much better in Minny.
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Look, Feeley was givin' away INT's like candy. You will see what a real QB can do very soon. We got one Pro bowler and somebody to back him up that actually CAN grow in an offense. Feeley needed to go suck cap space elsewhere.
 
Noodleman said:
I am basing my opinion of him in the capacity that he held the same position with the bears and failed there. So he has successfully failed in two positions. The only saving grace is that he will not be in charge of decisions. The reality is that he failed miserably in all aspects of the GM position. I will give you Bolden but the reality is he is measured by his moves to this point. If that is his legacy, it is quite questionable to say the least. This is the same guy who traded a fourth pick to move up ONE spot in the draft to take a guy who would have been there with the fins original pick. Also you fail to mention the Feeley trade. How am I supposed to take your reference of YOU as any different than saying me?
You can still be a terrible Gm and have good picks. He was here when the fins brought in MCmichael for example. The bottom line is that he hurt the fins franchise with his decisions. That is a point you can't argue.
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See, That is where you're wrong about him...He had lower position at the Bears (PP development) and was the Wanny-Do-Boy here until it was too late and the ship was already sinking. You can't judge him based on one frantic year here. "His decisions" as you put it were "Wanny's decisions" for the most part, and some of the questionable ones where he was technically out from Wanny's thumb, it was too little, too late to make a difference. When the team and organization imploded in 2004, remember it started in May when Wanny didn't have the bongers to decide on an OC...The two moves he's questioned for most was AJ and Carey. Well, AJ turned out to be a turd, but what he gave up for him others would have too, at the time. Getting a retread wasn't the best option and if you look at the main guys that were available at the time...Warner, Brunnell and Garcia...NONE of them have really distinguished themselves at all since then... Carey was a different situation and people seem to completely forget that even Carey said that the Pats had him on the phone when the trade up was going on...That may have been smoke screen, but considering the dire need for an OL, and Carey was the second best OL that year, was it such a stretch ?? However, I digress....you people who blame Speilman for everything from the Fins demise to global warming keep forgetting that he had a boss for nearly all of the transactions that were 'questionable'...that is the guy who screwed the Fins organization....Wanny....

Spielman would not be my first choice as a GM and btw, that is NOT the capacity he's going to be serving in Minny, but because it's impossible to seperate Speilman from Wanny in the eyes of most, he'll never get a fair chance...
 
It will be interesting to see how Rick does without Wanny mucking up the works...but I don't think he is a boy-wonder and I don't think he's walked into the best situation up there either. The Vikes have lost the two most prominent players on their team in the last two years. That can't be good...and they didn't get anything for them either.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Spielman would not be my first choice as a GM and btw, that is NOT the capacity he's going to be serving in Minny, but because it's impossible to seperate Speilman from Wanny in the eyes of most, he'll never get a fair chance...
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Thats what everyone is forgetting.....he will be in charge of player personnel, he will not be the GM.

He is a good talent evaluator.
 
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