Spiller

[MiZFiT]

I dont understand why some people want to get CJ Spiller. I know Ronnie might not be here and Ricky is old, but the dolphins have decent, not great, RB's behind them. I especially want to see what Sheets has. I think that with how bad the LB's were and how bad Wilson and how bad the dolphins need a #1 reciever, i dont think RB is a position of need.

What do you think?

 

[Asicswrg85]

The guys behind Ronnie and Ricky are no where near number 1 backs so if Ronnie and Ricky are gone, we are going to need a new runningback

 

[3rdandinches]

Spiller is something we don`t have, heck most teams don`t have a talent like him. People are wrong to think of getting rid of Ronnie and getting CJ, he would be most effective with Ronnie. I would see no need for Williams or Cobbs if they choose to go that way.

It`s alot like when Tennessee took CJ, they didn`t need a RB, they actually needed WR help but I`m guessing their pretty happy with going BPA.

 

[MD]

Spiller is something we don`t have, heck most teams don`t have a talent like him. People are wrong to think of getting rid of Ronnie and getting CJ, he would be most effective with Ronnie. I would see no need for Williams or Cobbs if they choose to go that way.

It`s alot like when Tennessee took CJ, they didn`t need a RB, they actually needed WR help but I`m guessing their pretty happy with going BPA.

Tennessee was in a much different position then we were. They actually had a defense with talent. Solid RB's can be picked up in later rounds.

Spiller is a luxury pick that the Dolphins can't afford righ now.

 

[MiZFiT]

i understand but what about ILB, FS, WR, even NT and OLB? these positions are bigger needs than RB. why waste a great opportunity to fix one of them and instead add to RB depth.

 

[Astrosback]

Getting a guy who can score from long distance is absolutely one of our biggest needs. It's also a need you won't easily fill in FA.

At 1.12, you don't really fill "needs" anyway. You draft a franchise talent who will help and lead us for 10 years. You don't worry about 2010 "needs" when you're drafting a franchise player.

As an example, if UF CB Joe Hayden is there but McClain, Dez, Spiller and even Earl Thomas are gone, I take Hayden and don't think twice. Same goes for Russell Okung.

But since Dez and Spiller do fill needs as well as the BPA requirement, I obviously have them higher on my board.

And by the way, not sure how Spiller is "more effective" with Ronnie as a compliment instead of Ricky as a compliment. Since when is Ronnie even better than an over-30 Ricky?

Ronnie is our best chance to land an extra 2nd round pick and he should be tendered as such.

"Needs" at OLB, ILB, NT and FS should be filled in FA.

The WR1 need will be too costly to fill with a vet b/c Marhsall and/or Austin will probably cost a 1st and 3rd so I say we try to fill WR1 in the draft.

Fill RB and WR with the early picks of the draft! Fill defensive needs in FA and later picks (see JT in the 3rd round and Zach Thomas in the 5th round).

 

[3rdandinches]

Tennessee was in a much different position then we were. They actually had a defense with talent. Solid RB's can be picked up in later rounds.

Spiller is a luxury pick that the Dolphins can't afford righ now.

By no means am I saying to pick Spiller!

I want McClain ILB or a trade back and get Hughes OLB. I just see why people like the idea of Spiller.

We need to fix the defense before we do anything on offense personally.

#1 FS, #2 NT, #3 ILB, #4 OLB, #5 WR, #6 TE

That's the way I see it atleast, as you can see no RB on that list!

 

[Ozfin77]

I agree with the original post...We dont need a RB. Although, I would like the FO to show alot of interest in Spiller though, to perhaps generate a decent trade for our #12 pick.

To those who say Hilliard the other guys behind Ronnie and Ricky are not NFL backs, how do you know that? They've hardly had any proper game time! I personally like the look of Lex Hilliard.

If you want to take a RB do it in the 2nd or 3rd and concentrate on getting D help in the 1st round.

 

[Astrosback]

By no means am I saying to pick Spiller!

I want McClain ILB or a trade back and get Hughes OLB. I just see why people like the idea of Spiller.

We need to fix the defense before we do anything on offense personally.

#1 FS, #2 NT, #3 ILB, #4 OLB, #5 WR, #6 TE

That's the way I see it atleast, as you can see no RB on that list!

But dude, you also win by scoring and scoring fast. How many big TD plays did we have this season? You could probably count them on one hand without using your thumb or pinky. Ginn had that one bomb and Ronnie and Ricky might have had one long one each. That's not acceptable.

Look at the Saints D. They're not loaded with talent but they play with a lead and they're able to cut loose and cause a lot of turn overs.

I'm not saying I don't want to address our D. I'm just saying that Ronnie should be traded for a 2nd this offseason and that means RB will be a need. Add to that, that a RB with world class speed and home run talent could be on the board for us at 1.12 and you gotta be open to taking him.

Maybe if you have a defense-first mentality, then you give McClain or Earl Thomas or Dan Williams the slight edge over Spiller and that's okay but then I still think we're looking for a RB later (maybe Javed Best).

But Spiller at 1.12 and a WR in round 2 and then a heavy defensive draft the rest of the way could also make sense.

 

[Astrosback]

My only fear is whether Spiller is more Reggie Bush or more Chris Johnson?

I wouldn't want Bush at 1.12 but I'd sure take a Chris Johnson there.

 

[3rdandinches]

Getting a guy who can score from long distance is absolutely one of our biggest needs. It's also a need you won't easily fill in FA.

At 1.12, you don't really fill "needs" anyway. You draft a franchise talent who will help and lead us for 10 years. You don't worry about 2010 "needs" when you're drafting a franchise player.

As an example, if UF CB Joe Hayden is there but McClain, Dez, Spiller and even Earl Thomas are gone, I take Hayden and don't think twice. Same goes for Russell Okung.

But since Dez and Spiller do fill needs as well as the BPA requirement, I obviously have them higher on my board.

And by the way, not sure how Spiller is "more effective" with Ronnie as a compliment instead of Ricky as a compliment. Since when is Ronnie even better than an over-30 Ricky?

Ronnie is our best chance to land an extra 2nd round pick and he should be tendered as such.

"Needs" at OLB, ILB, NT and FS should be filled in FA.

The WR1 need will be too costly to fill with a vet b/c Marhsall and/or Austin will probably cost a 1st and 3rd so I say we try to fill WR1 in the draft.

Fill RB and WR with the early picks of the draft! Fill defensive needs in FA and later picks (see JT in the 3rd round and Zach Thomas in the 5th round).

How'd we do after Ronnie went down? Ricky has some talent left but not like Ronnie, I'm talkin' today not 8 years ago and Ricky fumbles way too much for my liking. Brown is more of a bruiser between the tackles and Ricky runs alot more off tackle and outside. Spiller now becomes that guy so why have him with the same type of player. Brown and Spiller would be a one two punch not many teams could handle!

OLB and ILB in FA leaves us in bidding wars for the little talent that maybe available. We have Wake and Taylor, so drafting an OLB to learn from Taylor then take over in a year makes more sense to me. Crowder and McClain would make a real nice ILB duo, Akin becomes depth.

NT takes to long to develope normally so I'd rather go there in FA for an instant impact. Same as FA because there's potentially some real good FA's available.

To me it's crucial we get a major upgrade at NT and FS for next season if we want to take the next step to the playoffs.

 

[3rdandinches]

But dude, you also win by scoring and scoring fast. How many big TD plays did we have this season? You could probably count them on one hand without using your thumb or pinky. Ginn had that one bomb and Ronnie and Ricky might have had one long one each. That's not acceptable.

Look at the Saints D. They're not loaded with talent but they play with a lead and they're able to cut loose and cause a lot of turn overs.

I'm not saying I don't want to address our D. I'm just saying that Ronnie should be traded for a 2nd this offseason and that means RB will be a need. Add to that, that a RB with world class speed and home run talent could be on the board for us at 1.12 and you gotta be open to taking him.

Maybe if you have a defense-first mentality, then you give McClain or Earl Thomas or Dan Williams the slight edge over Spiller and that's okay but then I still think we're looking for a RB later (maybe Javed Best).

But Spiller at 1.12 and a WR in round 2 and then a heavy defensive draft the rest of the way could also make sense.

If you trade Ronnie then of course you look for a RB, but with our oline we should be able to plug in anyone and get instant success. So I wouldn't look any earlier then the 3rd round for someone.

I think if we had better NT play (after Fergy went down) and better FS play all year we are a playoff team this year, maybe even division winners again. That's why I think we should attack those two positions in FA and solidify our depth with the draft. Picking so high allows us to get a potential stud player and I really hope McClain is available to us. He will be a stud and we need an ILB, a match made in heaven but Hughes would be nice too.

 

[hoops]

if you want a free safety bad (and i can't blame you) imo you should be eye balling earl thomas at pick #12

ideally it would be nice to trade back and get him but i think his stock is only gonna continue into the top 15 (if it isn't there already) during the draft scouting process

 

[Astrosback]

How'd we do after Ronnie went down? Ricky has some talent left but not like Ronnie, I'm talkin' today not 8 years ago and Ricky fumbles way too much for my liking. Brown is more of a bruiser between the tackles and Ricky runs alot more off tackle and outside. Spiller now becomes that guy so why have him with the same type of player. Brown and Spiller would be a one two punch not many teams could handle!

OLB and ILB in FA leaves us in bidding wars for the little talent that maybe available. We have Wake and Taylor, so drafting an OLB to learn from Taylor then take over in a year makes more sense to me. Crowder and McClain would make a real nice ILB duo, Akin becomes depth.

NT takes to long to develope normally so I'd rather go there in FA for an instant impact. Same as FA because there's potentially some real good FA's available.

To me it's crucial we get a major upgrade at NT and FS for next season if we want to take the next step to the playoffs.

We both like the idea of upgrading NT and FS in FA (Wilfork, Hampton, Otogwe, Rolle) and I certainly wouldn't mind McClain at 1.12.

We differ on Ronnie. I think he has average vision, does not play anywhere near his timed speed and obviously is too injury prone. Granted, Ricky is too old to be featured but he was a great compliment to Ronnie and could be a great compliment to Spiller.

If we traded Ronnie to DET or CLE for an early 2nd and got...

1.12.) Rolando McClain
2a.) Jahvid Best
2b.) Mardy Gilyard

And let's say Hampton and Rolle in FA....

That would be pretty solid, right?

 

[Ozfin77]

if you want a free safety bad (and i can't blame you) imo you should be eye balling earl thomas at pick #12

ideally it would be nice to trade back and get him but i think his stock is only gonna continue into the top 15 (if it isn't there already) during the draft scouting process

Looking forward to seeing him tomorrow night!