Spoke to Merril Hoge this morning and he is 100% certain Fisher is coming to Miami
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I spoke to Jesus last night, and he told me the end is nigh!
Yessir
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Did he give you a seal here and a seal there?
It's been my informed experience that when someone stretches out making a job decision as long as possible, right up to a deadline, it marks a reliable signal that he's not sold on an offer as the best one for him, maybe merely the best one available.
I've never been excited by an old school run first Hc with a few peaks sandwiched between a big glob of mediocrity, although he'd certainly be an upgrade over the jest' offensive genius. So at this point even if he accepts, there's no way I can muster up any genuine enthusiasm at this point.
I've never been excited by an old school run first Hc with a few peaks sandwiched between a big glob of mediocrity, although he'd certainly be an upgrade over the jest' offensive genius. So at this point even if he accepts, there's no way I can muster up any genuine enthusiasm at this point.
Well if it happens, it happens. I'm more concerned about who he's going to bring in as his other coaches. Many times the other coaches make the HC that much better. While I'm worried about whether the NFL has passed him by, if he has coaches that are current and know what they are doing, then this move would be much better in my mind.
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Vaark,
I started out in the anti-Fisher camp and to be honest I just don't know whether he's a good hire or not. Not even Ross and Ireland can predict and they're interviewing the guy. There are a lot of good candidates around and at least I think we're talking to the right people.
As for him being a ground-n-pound coach, you may be right. It's the bit that rankles with me about the hire (more than Fisher's career win ratio - which can be mitigated). I think coaching personnel (and to a lesser extent players) should be brought in who match and enhance the culture and identity of the team. GB, NE, Philly and SF do that very well. We were once a run-first team and enjoyed our best success being hard-nosed, but I think the Marino era is what made the Dolphins culturally. It fitted our identity better than the Csonka image and tapped into/paralleled a local psyche that's a bit more colorful than many parts of the country.
Do the Wannstedt, Henning/Parcells/Sparano and now Fisher hires respect that Dolphins cultural identity - esp as that kind of offensive flair game is winning SBs? Have to say I'm not convinced and I just fear that Fisher will not be a popular coach if he isn't a playoff regular, playing a game that is not what the fanbase wants.
I don't think that the rungame is redundant. In fact, as Defenses recruit and train more and more to cover the pass, focus on defending the run will slip by necessity. But it's not the way the game is going and not what the Dolphins should be about.
So I dunno if Fisher will be a good NFL coach this time around. I just wonder if he's the right prototype for what the Dolphin nation wants as a coach...
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I'll be happy if we get Fisher, even though he's not my first choice.
He is well respected and will be able to assemble a good staff, including Gregg Williams from NO as the DC. He is liked by his players and others around the league. He will bring credibility and dare I say a bit of gravitas to the franchise? And Ross will have gotten his guy, which will certainly help his credibility. It will also be a sign that Ross did it right this time.
So yeah, at this point, I am rooting for Fisher to take the Dolphins job, even though I don't necessarily think he's the greatest coach on earth.
He is well respected and will be able to assemble a good staff, including Gregg Williams from NO as the DC. He is liked by his players and others around the league. He will bring credibility and dare I say a bit of gravitas to the franchise? And Ross will have gotten his guy, which will certainly help his credibility. It will also be a sign that Ross did it right this time.
So yeah, at this point, I am rooting for Fisher to take the Dolphins job, even though I don't necessarily think he's the greatest coach on earth.
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Fisher was a defensive player and coach. When it comes to offense, he's not married to any one philosophy. During most of his tenure with the Titans he had solid RBs and lineplay, with mediocre receiving talent and varying QB play. After McNair blossomed, Fish had no problem opening the throttle enough for Air McNair to share in an MVP award. QB's don't win MVP awards on exclusively ground-and-pound teams. The nature and efficacy of Fish's offense will depend on the personnel more than his philosophy, or even the offensive coaching staff.
Look at it this way -- every one says that we want to be wide open like NO, or NE, or GB. What do those teams have in common? Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. The Colts were high flying and "colorful" on offense -- that is, of course, until Peyton Manning wasn't under center. Forum favorite Brian Billick put up obscene numbers as an OC in Minnesota with Culpepper, Moss, Carter, Robert Smith etc. firing on all cylinders. Without a QB in Baltimore, he led a "ground-and-pound," run-first, defensive minded team to the Super Bowl. Had he suddenly become conservative? No. He made the most out of the personnel he had. Folks, some coaches (Mike Martz leaps to mind) insist on running their scheme regardless of their talent. When they have the right talent, great. When they don't, it's like Nero fiddling while Rome burned. Other coaches adapt to their talent (anyone here remember Don Shula, who won both with ground-and-pound in the 70's and with Marino airing it out in the 80's/90's)? I assure you that, whatever shortcomings he might have, Jeff Fisher falls in the latter camp.
Now, given our current talent, yes, Fish's offense might look very conservative because that plays to our strengths. You want to open things up? Bring in the talent. The question isn't whether Fish can be at the helm of a team with an exciting offense -- it's whether Jeff Ireland can build that team.
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@payneinsider Rumors out of #Miami is #Dolphins Owner, Stephen Ross has stepped up and made a HUGE offer to Jeff Fisher.
Why are we going crazy over a coach with 6 winning seasons in 17 years! Think about that for a minute: 6 above .500 seasons in 17 tries!!!
Frankly, it's going to be embarrassing if we make him a top 3 paid NFL coach. Especially when all indications earlier said he was more interested in St. Louis. It will be a complete money grab (ala Saba). We want somebody who wants to be here! Not just for the big paycheck.
Why are we going crazy over a coach with 6 winning seasons in 17 years! Think about that for a minute: 6 above .500 seasons in 17 tries!!!
Frankly, it's going to be embarrassing if we make him a top 3 paid NFL coach. Especially when all indications earlier said he was more interested in St. Louis. It will be a complete money grab (ala Saba). We want somebody who wants to be here! Not just for the big paycheck.
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To play devil's advocate for a minute here, we do need a coach and look at the pool of who is available.
While I am concerned that Chudzinski isn't really getting consideration, the other names that are being floated are really not exciting. If the team needs a respected, experienced coach with a solid resume, then the only two options are really Fisher and Billick that I can think of. Now given that Ross doesn't care for Billick and won't even consider him, that really leaves us with Fisher. So yeah, that's why he's offering big bucks to Fisher.
And also keep in mind that Ross has deep, deep pockets, but still needs the team to be running in the black. He thinks that a "name" coach is going to do that, so Fisher is really the only logical choice, and he's worth the investment.
And all of that said, here's one more angle he might be considering: Peyton Manning would probably love to play for Jeff Fisher. Let me stress that I am firmly in the "Manning is damaged goods, please God no, don't bring him here" camp, but it is what it is.
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Thats wild! EVERYONE said Tim Tebow would never do well in the NFL!!!
Picture or it didn't happen.
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I think it was pure speculation that he was more interested in STL. What may be happening now is Miami & STL are dealing with Fisher's agent. Both teams are putting forth their best offers and trying to satisfy Fisher's demands to the best of their ability which could range from non interference from Ireland and having complete control of hiring personnel to not moving to LA with STL.....who knows...
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If he winds up in Miami, I think it's possible that he was playing Ross for more money from the start by floating the idea that he preferred STL. Which honestly, I'm fine with. Ross has the dough and I'd prefer a clever coach who can maximize his (earning) potential. :)