Sports Buzz: Dolphins roster decisions | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

Sports Buzz: Dolphins roster decisions

jim1

Pro Bowler
Joined
Apr 17, 2006
Messages
5,826
Reaction score
307


Lamar Miller and Knowshon Moreno split first-team snaps the past two days. Joe Philbin said the job is open but has been far more effusive and expansive discussing Miller than Moreno this week.
“I like everything Lamar has done since he’s gotten here,” Philbin said. “He’s had an excellent offseason and camp... I like everything he's done since April 21."
Philbin, conversely, has had only one thing to say about Moreno: "Knowshon ran the ball well [Saturday].”
Moreno is the better option on third down because of superior pass protection skills. And Moreno was the faster starter last year; in the first quarter of games in 2013, Moreno averaged 4.5 yards per carry, Miller 2.7.
Overall, Miller averaged 4.0 yards, 2.1 yards after contact and broke 20 tackles on 177 runs in 2013. Moreno averaged 4.3, 2.0 after contact and broke 21 tackles on 241 attempts for Denver….

The last roster spots at offensive line (Miami wants to find help on waivers. Jason Fox is in serious jeopardy; Dallas Thomas was taking backup right tackle snaps Tuesday)

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-answering-dolphins-heat-canes-questions.html
 
Jason Fox has looked like a sieve. One of Hickey's less inspired signings

Never understood the praise for that move that was exhibited by some. He has been healthy like 8 games in 4 years and people were criticized for calling him injury prone.
fox is garbage but he was cheap garabage so no one can gig hickey for that unless he passed over good linemen instead. many speculated this signing would alleviate need to have to draft a tackle in draft, thank goodness we did not follow that logic.
Im on record saying that James was not a good pick because we reached but he is a good prospect and much better to reach on a solid prospect than reach on a guy like Jordan giving up picks in process.
 
Wondering what we are going to do at return position. Landry would be the easy roster decision but, has not looked good back there. other than the one punt return.
 
Wondering what we are going to do at return position. Landry would be the easy roster decision but, has not looked good back there. other than the one punt return.

This is an ongoing problem.

Miami Dolphins = only team in the league that thinks a 4.7 slow-foot possession WR (Bess) is a worthwhile returner. And nothing against Landry as a WR, but he's a 4.6+ physical, possession WR w. good hands who loses all value as a returner. He's WAY out of his talent as a returner, so if he gets hurt returning kicks it's all for nothing.

Miami since Sparano has seriously undervalued the WR skill positions, including KR and PR. Ginn is the only threat we've had back there in eight years.

LD
p.s. and please don't anyone say that Thigpen is a good returner. Man, smh. Poor vision, no feel for the return game, and no high end gear.
 
Yes a 1 year league minimum contract is getting bashed. If he was given a multy year with guaranteed money maybe but geeze guys
 
Never understood the praise for that move that was exhibited by some. He has been healthy like 8 games in 4 years and people were criticized for calling him injury prone.
fox is garbage but he was cheap garabage so no one can gig hickey for that unless he passed over good linemen instead. many speculated this signing would alleviate need to have to draft a tackle in draft, thank goodness we did not follow that logic.
Im on record saying that James was not a good pick because we reached but he is a good prospect and much better to reach on a solid prospect than reach on a guy like Jordan giving up picks in process.
I agree James was a reach, but I have been pleasantly surprised with how well he has looked so far. If he keeps it up I'll happily live with that reach.
 
Late update from last night:

Notes on a Wednesday evening (updated at midnight with details from the new UM documentary that debuted tonight):

### Arthur Lynch’s back injury ultimately cost him his rookie season, but injuries to two other Dolphins rookies appear far less serious. Though guard Billy Turner has been wearing a walking boot this week, there’s no broken bone or need for surgery. Turner has a bone bruise on his left foot and said he’s optimistic he will return to practice next week.

Meanwhile, Walt Aikens, who has made an impressive transition from cornerback to safety, is playing through a hand injury by wearing covering on the hand.

### One question for Dolphins GM Dennis Hickey over the next 72 hours is whether he can parlay some of his receiver depth to acquire help elsewhere, perhaps a backup tight end.

Rishard Matthews, who has made a convincing case for the No. 5 receiver job, could be used as bait for a late-round pick or a backup tight end (not just a body, but somebody who can make a meaningful contribution).

Matthews is best in the slot, but he’s unlikely to play much because Brandon Gibson and Jarvis Landry are ahead of him as slot receivers. Matthews also has been getting some snaps behind Mike Wallace in practice.

We hear receiver Damian Williams has some support inside the Dolphins’ building. So if the Dolphins can get something of value at a need position for Matthews --- or perhaps even Gibson --- a case could be made to consider it.

The Dolphins would be short-changing other positions if they keep seven receivers (the top four, Matthews, Williams and Marcus Thigpen) instead of six. And many teams keep five.
 
Im on record saying that James was not a good pick because we reached

HOW DID THEY REACH?

because teams fell for the other prospects hype?

because fans not only dont realize 99% of o-lineman are not plug and play into any system and ignored the the scouting reports how bad some of those "top" guys feet were and lateral movement and lack of athleticism to get into the second level? is this why JAMES was a reach?

all of those skills have to be present in a player to SUCCEED in a zone block defense. james was the ONLY prospect with HIGH MARKS in all those areas [besides turner who was a bit to raw for the first round]. advantage HUGE to hickey for NOT reaching and taking fan and media hyped players and forcing them into the wrong system. THAT would have been reaching. and NOT taking the guy who fell into your lap that was the TOP prospect for the zbs scheme is NOT reaching but good gm-ing.

they knew all along who they wanted and WHY they wanted him. they didnt panic when all those other "non reaches" were falling off the board because their guy was still there. we needed o-line BAD in the worst way [its why fox made it here] and the team couldnt afford to fail. the RIGHT guy had to be the pic. and he was. for THIS team and its zbs scheme. it may have been a reach for the fans, but not the team.

its so funny how fans EASILY fall into the "reach" tag on players. they dont take into account that some of the more hyped players do NOT fit their scheme or have the skill set to do it. but fans ignore that, read all about the top 3 guys at the positions they want or think their team needs and run with it. then when the team passes all the hyped guys and takes a player out of that wheel house, its a major reach and the gm is on thin ice.

we took the right guy for all the right reasons. thats NEVER a reach. and as the camp reports through week 5 show, hickey was dead on the money with his pic as those other guys are bench warmers and one is being moved all over the line to see where he can actually be useful. our guy is starting and getting better by the hour. i'll take that reach any day!!!
 


HOW DID THEY REACH?

because teams fell for the other prospects hype?

because fans not only dont realize 99% of o-lineman are not plug and play into any system and ignored the the scouting reports how bad some of those "top" guys feet were and lateral movement and lack of athleticism to get into the second level? is this why JAMES was a reach?

all of those skills have to be present in a player to SUCCEED in a zone block defense. james was the ONLY prospect with HIGH MARKS in all those areas [besides turner who was a bit to raw for the first round]. advantage HUGE to hickey for NOT reaching and taking fan and media hyped players and forcing them into the wrong system. THAT would have been reaching. and NOT taking the guy who fell into your lap that was the TOP prospect for the zbs scheme is NOT reaching but good gm-ing.

they knew all along who they wanted and WHY they wanted him. they didnt panic when all those other "non reaches" were falling off the board because their guy was still there. we needed o-line BAD in the worst way [its why fox made it here] and the team couldnt afford to fail. the RIGHT guy had to be the pic. and he was. for THIS team and its zbs scheme. it may have been a reach for the fans, but not the team.

its so funny how fans EASILY fall into the "reach" tag on players. they dont take into account that some of the more hyped players do NOT fit their scheme or have the skill set to do it. but fans ignore that, read all about the top 3 guys at the positions they want or think their team needs and run with it. then when the team passes all the hyped guys and takes a player out of that wheel house, its a major reach and the gm is on thin ice.

we took the right guy for all the right reasons. thats NEVER a reach. and as the camp reports through week 5 show, hickey was dead on the money with his pic as those other guys are bench warmers and one is being moved all over the line to see where he can actually be useful. our guy is starting and getting better by the hour. i'll take that reach any day!!!

S.P.O.T. O.N.

I'm also not a "reach" guy. And I've said nearly the exact things about Hickey nailing the James pick. We needed an NFL ready starting RT in this draft. Hickey picked a guy most thought could be had later. Meanwhile, Hickey picked the guy and went on about his business making other picks filling his team's needs with the resources he had available.

Pick James to fill an immediate need then rebound with possibly the best WR in the draft and a future starting G/T immediately after.... most GMs would call it a great draft and go play golf afterwards. Meanwhile, Hickey kept pluggin' away and produced one of the most immediately impactful drafts we've had in recent memory. He brought in depth and starters that were better than what we had the minute they were picked.

AT THIS STAGE, you can't get many more early indicators that you've done well in a draft than what we've had happen in camp and preseason.

In years past, fans would say "wait and see" to explain why a draft pick had NOT shown great flashes as a rookie. Now fans say "wait and see" to describe why Hickey's rookies haven't failed yet.


If people can't see the difference in this year's rookies and previous rookies, then they never really knew why they were complaining about past drafts. Because this is what a draft SHOULD look like.
 
There's numerous threads in the draft forum where I tried to get the point across that Ja'Waun James wasn't nearly the reach at #19 as the popular myth that has always seemed to be constantly repeated says he was. I've heard it so many times...yet I've never heard why. Never heard it substantiated with anything why this kid who just went out and did his job better than most anybody else, and was the best right tackle in the draft, was a reach in the latter portion of the 1st round. People just like repeating it.

Even the talking heads and media scouts that claim they had 2nd/3rd round grades on James. I've read their scouting reports and opinions of him. There's a discrepancy there. They point out the obvious and boast about his prototype frame, length, experience as a starter, durability, consistency, and ability to always do the job in pass protection... over and over again. Yet they slap him with a 2nd/3rd round grade... and they don't even know why.

So what was missing? The answer is hype.

Too busy hyping up players like Cyrus Kouandjio as 1st round picks who were going out and getting beat like a drum every week. I know because I watched it. And here we are, the same place we always were. As far as I know, James has yet to give a sack or even a pressure thusfar in preaseason, while guys like Kouandjio have went out struggled just like he did last year for Alabama.

Ja'Waun James was an absolute rock for Tennessee on the offensive line all 4 years of his career as a starter. And for 4 years the hype never caught up to what he was doing on the field. He allowed Tyler Bray, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Justin Hunter be the most prolific offense Tennessee had seen in years. The point is, the only reason he was ever considered a reach in the first place was because he always managed to stay under the radar of the hype machine. Unlike Kouandjio or Taylor Lewan. James just never had anybody with a voice speak up for him because the Vols were bottom feeders in the SEC. That's the only reason why there was ever any talk of him being a reach in the first place. His play on the field told an entirely different story.

It's the same thing now with the hype around Cedric Ogbuehi receiving hype as a top 10 pick for 2015...who was destroyed by Dee Ford's pass rushing ability. Ja'Waun James locked Dee Ford down. Went to the Senior Bowl and was the best offensive tackle there all week. Still, nobody would speak up for him. He was still a reach.... while "1st round pick Cyrus Koundjio" is busy doing this against a true freshman Carl Lawson in the Iron Bowl....

http://ultraimg.com/images/sI2Bw.gif



Here we are again, almost to September....in the same place we always were. James is once again, just going out and doing his job better than most. Still flying under the radar. But here's the deal.... sooner or later, people are going to have to take notice. The still unfounded reach talk will have to cease. It's not difficult. Folks are just going to have to stop parroting what they hear and read about these kids, and start watching some football on Saturdays. That's the only advice I have for 'em.
 
This is an ongoing problem.

Miami Dolphins = only team in the league that thinks a 4.7 slow-foot possession WR (Bess) is a worthwhile returner. And nothing against Landry as a WR, but he's a 4.6+ physical, possession WR w. good hands who loses all value as a returner. He's WAY out of his talent as a returner, so if he gets hurt returning kicks it's all for nothing.

Miami since Sparano has seriously undervalued the WR skill positions, including KR and PR. Ginn is the only threat we've had back there in eight years.

LD
p.s. and please don't anyone say that Thigpen is a good returner. Man, smh. Poor vision, no feel for the return game, and no high end gear.
I would go with Williams returning kicks. Damien at kickoff and Damian for punts
 
I would go with Williams returning kicks. Damien at kickoff and Damian for punts

That's way better than having Landry back there.

Landry is NOT a returner. His skill set isn't there. And he will potentially be way too valuable as a WR to get hurt in an area in which he really won't help the team that much.

LD
 
Wondering what we are going to do at return position. Landry would be the easy roster decision but, has not looked good back there. other than the one punt return.

I think Landry would thrive at PR instead of KR but thats just a guess.

I want to see more D2 tonight thats for sure.
 
Back
Top Bottom