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Sports Buzz: From Kyler Murray To Linemen, Exploring Dolphins’ Early-round Offensive Draft Options

I dont think anyone can make a “strong case” for spending the the 13th overall pick on a RIGHT tackle. Especially in a draft that is strong at the Dline position. That pick has to be a difference maker and there are none at the OT position.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Letting James walk and drafting a RT at 13 would be SO Miami x_x
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Running in place, if not a possible decline in the short term.

I couldn't take Andre Dillard there, no matter what he looks like. It would betray everything I believe in, regarding top picks needing to be elite among their peers all their life. Dillard was a 2-star recruit out of high school. Offers only from the Pacific Northwest and generally the smaller schools. Offensive line does feature 2 and 3 star players who turn into future NFL stars, but it is the best position for getting those guys deeper in the draft.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/andre-dillard-58495

Kyler Murray was 4-star on Rivals and 5-star on 247. The height has always been a known quantity but he has excelled. Then somehow fear takes over and we adjust lesser guys upward while finding bizarre reasons to downgrade the kids who have always starred.
 
The biggest reason Miami is a have-not is the team's quarterback situation. All you have to do is look to the postseason. With the exception of Trubisky and Jackson, who are both still developing, we are talking about most of the top quarterbacks in the NFL. Brady, Brees, Mahomes, Rivers etc.

Yes, the team desperately needs to fix their trenches. We all know that, but you can't let the opportunity to draft a qb go by unless you are not sold on any of them. That could be possible. I'm not opposed to drafting a qb at #13 and then, if necessary, going qb next year. The position is that important. But, I wouldn't wait until 2020. That's a roll of the dice to think the team will pick top five.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Running in place, if not a possible decline in the short term.

I couldn't take Andre Dillard there, no matter what he looks like. It would betray everything I believe in, regarding top picks needing to be elite among their peers all their life. Dillard was a 2-star recruit out of high school. Offers only from the Pacific Northwest and generally the smaller schools. Offensive line does feature 2 and 3 star players who turn into future NFL stars, but it is the best position for getting those guys deeper in the draft.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/andre-dillard-58495

Kyler Murray was 4-star on Rivals and 5-star on 247. The height has always been a known quantity but he has excelled. Then somehow fear takes over and we adjust lesser guys upward while finding bizarre reasons to downgrade the kids who have always starred.
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What a player ranked coming out of high school is completely irrelevant when evaluating a prospect especially when it's non-scouts that are making such assessments. This is not even a consideration in the scouting world or NFL draft rooms. Carson Wentz only had one scholarship offer, NDSU. That's also like saying the Patriots/Steelers shouldn't pay the best QB/WR in the league because they were 6th round picks. They must not be worth it because they weren't elite amongst their peers coming out of college. There have been hundreds of 4-star QBs that were elite among their peers all their life that failed. Aside from Trevor Lawrence & Justin Fields, the other 8 of the top 10 high school QBs of all-time are Vince Young, Brock Berlin, Terrelle Pryor, Matt Barkley, Jimmy Clausen, Mark Sanchez, Russell Shepart, & Brodie Croyle are all NFL/college busts.

The NFL draft is about upside. Dillard has tremendous upside & was graded as the best pass protector in college football this year. Murray is a 5'9 180lbs QB. That's not a good size for any position on the field. Optimal height for an NFL QB is 6'3. The exceptions Brees (6') & Wilson (5'11) are three inches less that optimum height, Murray is SIX. You realize how big of a height difference that is? That's like asking Steph Curry to guard Lebron. Too much height to overcome.
 
I haven’t seen much of Dillard but if he’s as good a left tackle only as David bahktiari (a left tackle only prospect coming out) people won’t care if he’s taken top 15

Miamis not moving tunsil so it’s all moot anyways even if his play did kinda level off late in the year.
 
SMadison29 said:
What a player ranked coming out of high school is completely irrelevant when evaluating a prospect especially when it's non-scouts that are making such assessments. This is not even a consideration in the scouting world or NFL draft rooms. Carson Wentz only had one scholarship offer, NDSU. That's also like saying the Patriots/Steelers shouldn't pay the best QB/WR in the league because they were 6th round picks. They must not be worth it because they weren't elite amongst their peers coming out of college. There have been hundreds of 4-star QBs that were elite among their peers all their life that failed. Aside from Trevor Lawrence & Justin Fields, the other 8 of the top 10 high school QBs of all-time are Vince Young, Brock Berlin, Terrelle Pryor, Matt Barkley, Jimmy Clausen, Mark Sanchez, Russell Shepart, & Brodie Croyle are all NFL/college busts.

The NFL draft is about upside. Dillard has tremendous upside & was graded as the best pass protector in college football this year. Murray is a 5'9 180lbs QB. That's not a good size for any position on the field. Optimal height for an NFL QB is 6'3. The exceptions Brees (6') & Wilson (5'11) are three inches less that optimum height, Murray is SIX. You realize how big of a height difference that is? That's like asking Steph Curry to guard Lebron. Too much height to overcome.
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Saints were going to disqualify Mark Ingram from becoming their all time leading rusher because he was a 3 star recruit.

And he has to give his Heisman Trophy back too.
 
Here's what a GM said about Murray:

"[Murray] should be playing pro sports on this [baseball] field," said one GM of a quarterback-needy team at Tropicana Field during the East-West Shrine practices. "You're going to have to change a huge amount of your offense for him. He's too short, so you can't put him under center and do a three-step drop. He's too short to see through 6-foot-5 offensive linemen and defenders getting their hands up. Those west coast offense plays are out the window with him. You have to build the system for him, and he is not a plug-and-play in a pro system like an Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, [Matthew] Stafford, etc. You also are going to be presented with problems for the backup quarterback because Murray is so unique and you won't be able to find a backup that can duplicate what he does. If Murray gets hurt, you may to do a huge overhaul to the offense in order to suit the backup. [Murray] has a good arm and he's athletic, but you have to really commit to him and build everything around him if you're going to take him."
 
SMadison29 said:
Here's what a GM said about Murray:

"[Murray] should be playing pro sports on this [baseball] field," said one GM of a quarterback-needy team at Tropicana Field during the East-West Shrine practices. "You're going to have to change a huge amount of your offense for him. He's too short, so you can't put him under center and do a three-step drop. He's too short to see through 6-foot-5 offensive linemen and defenders getting their hands up. Those west coast offense plays are out the window with him. You have to build the system for him, and he is not a plug-and-play in a pro system like an Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, [Matthew] Stafford, etc. You also are going to be presented with problems for the backup quarterback because Murray is so unique and you won't be able to find a backup that can duplicate what he does. If Murray gets hurt, you may to do a huge overhaul to the offense in order to suit the backup. [Murray] has a good arm and he's athletic, but you have to really commit to him and build everything around him if you're going to take him."
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That is the absolute WORST line of reasoning I have ever seen about drafting a potential franchise quarterbacks.

I tend to respect disagreements about players. Especially from General Managers. But whoever that General Manager is, he's trash. Or at least, he woke up that day, and thought of a trash line of reasoning, and never bothered to think about it long enough to take a step back and realize how incredibly absurd and idiotic he was being.
 
ckparrothead said:
That is the absolute WORST line of reasoning I have ever seen about drafting a potential franchise quarterbacks.

I tend to respect disagreements about players. Especially from General Managers. But whoever that General Manager is, he's trash. Or at least, he woke up that day, and thought of a trash line of reasoning, and never bothered to think about it long enough to take a step back and realize how incredibly absurd and idiotic he was being.
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It's like a bad joke from the 90s.
 
SMadison29 said:
Here's what a GM said about Murray:

"[Murray] should be playing pro sports on this [baseball] field," said one GM of a quarterback-needy team at Tropicana Field during the East-West Shrine practices. "You're going to have to change a huge amount of your offense for him. He's too short, so you can't put him under center and do a three-step drop. He's too short to see through 6-foot-5 offensive linemen and defenders getting their hands up. Those west coast offense plays are out the window with him. You have to build the system for him, and he is not a plug-and-play in a pro system like an Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, [Matthew] Stafford, etc. You also are going to be presented with problems for the backup quarterback because Murray is so unique and you won't be able to find a backup that can duplicate what he does. If Murray gets hurt, you may to do a huge overhaul to the offense in order to suit the backup. [Murray] has a good arm and he's athletic, but you have to really commit to him and build everything around him if you're going to take him."
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Non-play action passes are primarily shotgun passes, and the league should veer even further in that direction. Murray is obviously capable of running play action from under center. His feet are ideal - quick as you'll ever see. Even if a stone-aged team wanted to pass from under center with him (lol idiots), he's excellent at maneuvering the pocket and finding passing lanes. Dude sounds like he pulled that **** our of his diaper.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Non-play action passes are primarily shotgun passes, and the league should veer even further in that direction. Murray is obviously capable of running play action from under center. His feet are ideal - quick as you'll ever see. Even if a stone-aged team wanted to pass from under center with him (lol idiots), he's excellent at maneuvering the pocket and finding passing lanes. Dude sounds like he pulled that **** our of his diaper.
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You know what else is stupid about this?

Go watch the Rose Bowl that Russell Wilson played in. Go watch basically ANY game that Doug Flutie played in, back in 1998. Both players regularly dropped back from center and hit throws off 3-step drops.

Russell Wilson is 3/4ths of an inch taller than Murray. Doug Flutie is shorter.
 
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