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Sports Buzz: Hickey making a good impression

HoneyB said:
It's certainly good news, and I have good feelings about Hickey, I really do.

I think part of the problem with Ireland and Philbin is that they both wanted to run the ship, and when the losing started, they blamed each other. From what's been said about Philbin, he's not meek by any stretch of the imagination and he has his own agenda and ideas of how things should go. Hickey seems more of a compromiser to me, a smooth-the-wrinkles out kind of person, and he's the perfect guy to come into this chaotic situation and make it work. At the same time he's very experienced, like he says he's been to years of combines and enjoys the experience.

If he comes out of this season with some nice FA pickups and a good draft, he'll get a lot of respect.

Without a doubt, these 2 guys have to work together, and plan together, and our OC needs to do a great job.
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It's a little of both, like most Parcells disciples, Ireland took the stance "This is how I want it, and if you have an issue, tough." Now that approach can work, but you have to have the personality and/or credentials to make it work. Ireland had neither.

While some complain about the whole coach and GM being on equal footing, even the GMs with total control do work together with their coach. They aren't going to give him players that the coach and staff don't want. Now some of the frustrations between the two can go on Philbin as well (while I hated Sherman's playcalling, and I understand it's tough to overrule your mentor/close friend, Philbin needed to step up and chance things) but at the end of the day, Ireland and Philbin just ended up butting heads way too often and if they couldn't compromise, Ireland would just do what he wanted.
 
Not much has happened here ye but the positive spin is nothing but predictable around here.
 
hooshoops said:
Well at least they are looking at scheme fit linemen in the draft..god Ireland's terrible to ever think egnew would be a seam threat...he really had no damn clue...
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Why? Egnew was a seam threat pass catching tight end in College. He didn't block in missouri's offense. He's 6ft 5in, runs a 4.6 40. And Sherman made him a quasi fullback. Good news is his blocking improved, but that is not what any draft expert projected him to be. I agree with Ireland on this one.
 
ChambersWI said:
It's a little of both, like most Parcells disciples, Ireland took the stance "This is how I want it, and if you have an issue, tough." Now that approach can work, but you have to have the personality and/or credentials to make it work. Ireland had neither.

While some complain about the whole coach and GM being on equal footing, even the GMs with total control do work together with their coach. They aren't going to give him players that the coach and staff don't want. Now some of the frustrations between the two can go on Philbin as well (while I hated Sherman's playcalling, and I understand it's tough to overrule your mentor/close friend, Philbin needed to step up and chance things) but at the end of the day, Ireland and Philbin just ended up butting heads way too often and if they couldn't compromise, Ireland would just do what he wanted.
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I find this to be total opinion. Its what you want to believe. You hate Ireland therefore, he was a control freak.

yeah, okie dokie.

As if Ireland didnt discuss things with the entire coaching staff every day. Joe Philbin was in charge of nothing roster.....right, tell me another made up story.

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poppy said:
Why? Egnew was a seam threat pass catching tight end in College. He didn't block in missouri's offense. He's 6ft 5in, runs a 4.6 40. And Sherman made him a quasi fullback. Good news is his blocking improved, but that is not what any draft expert projected him to be. I agree with Ireland on this one.
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right on. Ireland was listening to his HC more than people wish to believe.
 
poppy said:
Why? Egnew was a seam threat pass catching tight end in College. He didn't block in missouri's offense. He's 6ft 5in, runs a 4.6 40. And Sherman made him a quasi fullback. Good news is his blocking improved, but that is not what any draft expert projected him to be. I agree with Ireland on this one.
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He was a product of the system in college...even then he couldn't separate from coverage...just a poor evaluation...even had the senior bowl weeks work to further verify what he was...where he showed he was a one speed player who struggled to get off man coverage...no different than what he's been in the pros
 
finfan54 said:
I find this to be total opinion. Its what you want to believe. You hate Ireland therefore, he was a control freak.

yeah, okie dokie.

As if Ireland didnt discuss things with the entire coaching staff every day. Joe Philbin was in charge of nothing roster.....right, tell me another made up story.

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right on. Ireland was listening to his HC more than people wish to believe.
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Agreed. A few thoughts...

A HC has to be a control freak. Philbin is quite stoic and very demonstrative but has a plan & know when to say when. The whole thing about gum wrappers & shoe laces has been overblown

Jeff & Joe IMO did communicate for awhile but something happened (even before bullygate) that completely broke the relationship.

In my job, there are co-workers that I communicate with only when needed. Further, there are other depts & people that (given my choice) would love to avoid but can't. Case in point, I work in shipping and receiving, I absolutely loathe UPS.
 
It's a shame that Hickey was viewed as the bottom of the barrel type GM Candidate. It goes to show everyone how sometimes the least likely candidate turns out to be the best choice for the job. I'm not saying Hickey has proven to be the best, but it's obvious he has had a strong start to want may turn out to be the best choice in Miami. I like to open communication Hickey has shown in the 3 reported instances of 1) Brent Grimes contract 2) The heads up to the Clemons camp and 3) The tape review with Philbin on a daily basis to help develop an idea of want the coach is looking for. Hopefully Hickey proves all the NAY Sayers wrong!!!
 
At worst at least we don't have a complete prick running the franchise. Ireland was such an a-hole Miami fans literally rooted against him, even though he was running the team. That's crazy...

Ireland was so full of himself, there really was absolutely nothing to like about him. He really took on Parcells arogance perfectly.
 
Nice read. But, IMHO, Hickey's evaluation will be based largely on the draft. We always have these feel-good stories whenever someone new is here. Where the rubber hits the road is in how he rebuilds this OL and how well he drafts. Judging by the Bucs previous drafts while he was there, they collected some talent, but probably less overall than Ireland did during his time. Here's hoping that Hickey fares better ... and knowing what things your coach wants from a player definitely helps.

Coaches rarely get to spend enough time scouting to make good collegiate projections. They see some tape, make some often wildly inaccurate conclusions, and mis-project collegians. So the GM needs to work kinda like a translator. HE takes those ideas, concepts, and principles the coach wants and the scouts information and integrates it all. Then he figures out who projects to the best marriage of player and coaching staff as a pro in the future. Fingers crossed.
 
finfan54 said:
I find this to be total opinion. Its what you want to believe. You hate Ireland therefore, he was a control freak.

yeah, okie dokie.

As if Ireland didnt discuss things with the entire coaching staff every day. Joe Philbin was in charge of nothing roster.....right, tell me another made up story.

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right on. Ireland was listening to his HC more than people wish to believe.
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All opinion based on what I read, BUT if you want to put your head and the sand and scream at the top of your lungs that I'm wrong feel free. By the way, I don't "hate Ireland" I said he and Philbin didn't work well together and they couldn't compromise.

Why? Egnew was a seam threat pass catching tight end in College. He didn't block in missouri's offense. He's 6ft 5in, runs a 4.6 40. And Sherman made him a quasi fullback. Good news is his blocking improved, but that is not what any draft expert projected him to be. I agree with Ireland on this one.
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To be fair, back then Mizzou ran an insane amount of bubble screens. I'll go check it out but I doubt you'll find him doing much vertical running in college.
 
hooshoops said:
He was a product of the system in college...even then he couldn't separate from coverage...just a poor evaluation...even had the senior bowl weeks work to further verify what he was...where he showed he was a one speed player who struggled to get off man coverage...no different than what he's been in the pros
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Egnew was a workout warrior who flashed speed, quickness and explosion in college. System or not, the guy was a physical freak. Not quite Jimmy Graham athletic, but way more athletic than most TE's that make the pro-bowl. But, many scouts saw his bust potential and laughed when he was drafted ... the whispers were deafening. The guy wasn't the brightest, didn't know how to be a TE, wasn't physical enough and would lose some of that explosion when he bulked up. It was all true. He didn't have great route running skills or good timing. Our scouts and GM blew that evaluation. He had a worse case of what Channing Crowder exhibited--fantastic physical skills dulled by slow decision making. It nullifies the exceptional burst and quickness advantage.

Yes, the Mizzou system has made several TE prospects look like wonderful players when they were not. But, there was more to it than just that.
 
Egnew can still become something IMO. His blocking has come a long way, and he has pretty damn good hands and a wide cstch radius. That mizzu offense he was in a recipe for disaster for players entering the NFL. All of them seem to struggle a lot.

I know not everyone is high on our coaching staff, but they all have a history of coaching players up. Even in there short time in Mia, they've proved that much. I think they'll coach egnew up.

Took clay 3 years to really become productive, and he came from one of the wackiest offenses ive ever seen. No reason egnew can't do it.
 
hooshoops said:
Well at least they are looking at scheme fit linemen in the draft..god Ireland's terrible to ever think egnew would be a seam threat...he really had no damn clue...
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
hooshoops said:
Well at least they are looking at scheme fit linemen in the draft..god Ireland's terrible to ever think egnew would be a seam threat...he really had no damn clue...
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Was just thinking the same thing. He must have put a lot of emphasis on combine workouts in his evaluations.
 
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