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Starter vs Potential

Which is more important


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What's more important to you for the coming draft:

Someone who can start immediately or a player with greater long term upside but short term problems. For the sake of the debate, lets say the latter doesn't fully develop until the 2018 season.
 
What's more important to you for the coming draft:

Someone who can start immediately or a player with greater long term upside but short term problems. For the sake of the debate, lets say the latter doesn't fully develop until the 2018 season.

BPA (Any position) looking long-term, imo.

EDIT: Poll needs a "Other" option.
 
What's more important to you for the coming draft:

Someone who can start immediately or a player with greater long term upside but short term problems. For the sake of the debate, lets say the latter doesn't fully develop until the 2018 season.

At 13, you should be able to get both.

After that, I think it depends upon the position/needs you're filling. If you don't have two starting OG's, and you can an immediate starter at 42, that probably makes more sense for the team that using the pick on a high-upside guy that will take a while to develop. But if you're looking at a rare Edge talent that fell because he's raw (Danielle Hunter), the value may be too good to pass up. Unless Ogbah falls to 42, that won't be an issue in this draft.

After the 2nd RD, though, almost all the players have enough holes in their games to make counting on them as starters a mistake. In the first two rounds, I'd look for players I could count on to start, with the most upside possible, but 3-7, unless a starting caliber OG (for example) falls, I'm drafting for upside within the system. Obviously, you want the best/most refined players, but if you're getting a super refined guy in RD 4, there's a good chance he doesn't have the physical tools to be anything more than an average player in the NFL. There are always exceptions. The NFL misses guys each year, but since we're discussing rules of practice, you don't do yourself any favors by filling your roster with average 3rd and 4th-year starters.

High-upside to me isn't going to be the same thing as high upside to Tom, Dick, or Harry. If we were to get too specific, that would muddle the conversation pretty quickly.
 
Interesting question Spesh!

While.its hard to valye, I personally prefer to look for both in the draft and fill in the gaps in free agency. For example, I'm looking for a starting CB in round 1 with high potential. But in round 2 I'd be willing to gamble on a potential dominant the player like Jayson Smith. He is seriously injured and we si.ply do not know yet whether he will return to that level of player ... and if he does when?

Then if we don't take a gamble like that, I'd expect a starting G/T from rounds 2 and 3. Then by round 5 I'm looking for either one, like a WR or CB with potential or someone who can start on special teams. But I would still gamble on injured players with potential like Oregon LT Tyler Johnstone and Virginia/Florida TE Jake McGee. Those guys may or may not get fully healtjy. But if they do, we've found a gem.

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Brother Spesh I think it is a mixture of both. You need some of these draft picks to come in and be starters to help change the mojo and toughness on this team. You need the others to learn, get healthy, and push the existing players on this team to step up or step the side. Great question.
 
I am too old. People around me are dying off. I want starters. No more "rebuilding for 3 years" crap.
In 2004 we said we will be back in a couple years. Just need to rebuild. 12 years later we are on our 4th 3-year rebuilding project.

I want starters and contributors. Yes, I want!!!!
 
I think it depends a little bit on where the player is drafted, what round. You want to get starters early and then look for developmental guys late.

Obviously, there are exceptions. What do you do about a player like Jaylon Smith, who pre-injury was considered a top 5 pick? Do you pull the trigger in the second round knowing he likely won't play until 2017. If fully recovered you get a star player, but it's a risk.

The great teams seem to know when to take chances and I think they are afforded more risks simply by having core players set. For Miami, I think the team needs to have a high hit rate in the next couple of drafts. Then they can gamble more.
 
When did a project last work out for us?
 
My personal opinion has always been that when drafting (unless taking QB after round 1) you expect contribution from the first 4 rounds. But you want guys with room for growth. Look at the years we had a lot of picks, got some solid players in there, but with limited upside. Gotta take some gambles, but also have to know when to take thos gambles.
 
In 2013 the team drafted "potential" with Dion Jordan

I'm among the crowd that the team needs starters - long-term ones.
 
It's a mixed bag and depends on the round. BPA is a sound approach for a solid team. But when you're hurting for talent and have to constantly rely on rookies - like the fins - need can't be ignored.

I have a sneaking suspicion the team went BPA for the most part last year ... which I suspect is why they came out of that draft without a single LB. When you have crippling needs you can't exclusively go BPA because Kelvin shepard starting might be the result
 
In 2013 the team drafted "potential" with Dion Jordan

I'm among the crowd that the team needs starters - long-term ones.

In my book, Jordan is a faux-potential prospect - much like D. Fowler. No elite traits, lacking polish. Pretty fast for his size does not equal high-end potential.
 
Projects are for the later rounds imo. Lets get some guys in here who have a real position and are ready to ball
 
How about an OG who isn't a turnstile when it comes to pass blocking?
 
How about an OG who isn't a turnstile when it comes to pass blocking?

These posts are starting to get as annoying as randomly bringing up Tannehill in unrelated threads. Kinda like I just did, I guess...
 
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