State of a Franchise Heading OUT of Control...
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Manny Fernandez and Buonicanti are only repeating what they hear in the media. Do either of them know Ireland and what 'top' HC did we not get? Fisher?
dlockz
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Well like him or not we know fisher was our top choice
BigCityCat
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The only thing out of control is the negative mood swings of the Miami fan base. Cry me a river.
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Yea it is funny. I heard on Satellite radio today that the commentator, I forget his name, was laughing because we kept Ireland and did not give Fisher total control. Like the writer said in the Sun-Sentinel, Fisher didn't deserve total control. Piling on the Phins and Ross is the IN thing to do in the media right now. The only way Ross and the team get every1 off their back is to win. If you win, your a genius.
dlockz
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much smarter than losing or continually losing out on the coach you want
dlockz
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mediocrity cheerleaders lol
dlockz
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I never subscribe to losing no matter what end result might be. Trade up and get a guy if you have to.
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The media didn't create 3 consecutive losing seasons or this organization's numerous missteps. They just reported on them.
so you're saying that what these 2 legends are saying doesn't even matter.....I'm pretty sure that they both know more than you and me when it comes to our Dolphins so I respect what they're saying.You're making sound like it doesn't matter who we pick as our coach, as long as we have Ireland everything is fine. Is that what you're saying?
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Please stop whining, Mary. You "fans" are so soft and sensitive. Grow the heck up
I respect them too but does not mean I have to accept what they say because they are 'legends' now does it? It does matter who the Dolphins pick as a HC but the fact is that Ireland is not going anywhere and even Jeff Fisher liked him and wanted to work with him but Ross did not want to change the structure of the FO and I for one am glad he did not cave in.
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The media is not unfair to Stephen Ross. The fans are not unfair to Stephen Ross. Ross has done a pitiful job thus far. It's not the reality that matters so much as the perception. The common perception is of a franchise that is in disarray. Perception matters because perception determines whether people wish to work for you. Perception
effects whether or not people wish to purchase your product. Perception eventually alters your reality. Ross has handled any number of things ineptly. Why the desire to apologize for the man?
It started with his inane desire to turn Dolphins Stadium into Studio 54 and sell pieces of the team to low-watt celebrities in order to drive attendance in some way. Ridiculous. Then his very public and futile courting of Harbaugh was an embarrassment he may never live down. Then he insults the fans by keeping a man, Sparano, he obviously wanted gone and had no faith in. Then he asks the fans to pony up their hard earned money to buy a product Ross knew was crap. Then of course his public courting of Fisher that results in Fisher not taking the job. I do not blame Ross for refusing to give Fisher personnel approval. No coach should have such authority and historically, with the exception of Jimmy Johnson and Belicheck, no such combo GM/HC has been successful, but I find it hard to believe that Fisher's desire for control wasn't patently obvious to Ross even before he started his courtship.
Fisher's demise in Nashville was linked to his battles with Bud Adams over Vince Young, who he never wished to draft. That was one of Fisher's bugaboos, how could Ross not have known that even before he started to negotiate and risked failure? If you go back to the Shula days, the Dolphins began to come apart when Shula was given de facto control over personnel. In the glory days he didn't have that authority. Marino kept the organization respectable long after Shula's mismanagement began to hurt the franchise. So yes, Ross is correct to insist on a GM making those calls, however, retaining Ireland in that role was dubious, and having Carl Peterson as a consigliere is arguably worse. Giving Parcells the opportunity to do further damage to the organization under the rationale that Ross was giving the man "a chance" to prove himself was absurd, you make an evaluation then apply your judgment. Parcells was stealing money for the Fins and should have been sent packing along with every Parcells protege. The Dez Bryant incident was another blackeye for the organization and whether Ross was responsible for it or not is irrelevant, it still stains the organization that he owns and anyond who wishes to apologize for Ireland on the grounds that he was asking about character should recall that 31-other organizations in the NFL were able to inquire about Bryant's character without calling the man's mother a whore!
Let's not pretend there isn't ample reason to vilify Ross. Blame the media is the first cunard of the corrupt, the inept or the stupid. What's the media supposed to report? A few owners are quoted in an article as liking Ross and admiring his business savvy and suddenly his apologists use it as a vouchsafe of some kind. When have NFL owners or execs ever criticized one of their own? Ever? I've seen the Bidwells and Mike Brown praised in the media by other owners. They don't bite their own. I fail to see how such votes of confidence indicate anything but agnostic bluster. Jerry Jones loved Al Davis for crying out loud! We should somehow care that Robert Kraft respects Stephen Ross? Kind of like Belichick respected Wannstadt?Have you ever seen a commentator like Joe Theismann throw a coach under the bus, no matter how incompetent? I've never heard it myself. In fact, Theismann became a caricature for never criticizing coaches no matter how inept they were, for him to utter even tepid criticism of the Fins is damning in my opinion. Franchises reflect their ownerships. See the Browns, Bengals, Cards, Lions, Jags, Raiders, etc.
effects whether or not people wish to purchase your product. Perception eventually alters your reality. Ross has handled any number of things ineptly. Why the desire to apologize for the man?
It started with his inane desire to turn Dolphins Stadium into Studio 54 and sell pieces of the team to low-watt celebrities in order to drive attendance in some way. Ridiculous. Then his very public and futile courting of Harbaugh was an embarrassment he may never live down. Then he insults the fans by keeping a man, Sparano, he obviously wanted gone and had no faith in. Then he asks the fans to pony up their hard earned money to buy a product Ross knew was crap. Then of course his public courting of Fisher that results in Fisher not taking the job. I do not blame Ross for refusing to give Fisher personnel approval. No coach should have such authority and historically, with the exception of Jimmy Johnson and Belicheck, no such combo GM/HC has been successful, but I find it hard to believe that Fisher's desire for control wasn't patently obvious to Ross even before he started his courtship.
Fisher's demise in Nashville was linked to his battles with Bud Adams over Vince Young, who he never wished to draft. That was one of Fisher's bugaboos, how could Ross not have known that even before he started to negotiate and risked failure? If you go back to the Shula days, the Dolphins began to come apart when Shula was given de facto control over personnel. In the glory days he didn't have that authority. Marino kept the organization respectable long after Shula's mismanagement began to hurt the franchise. So yes, Ross is correct to insist on a GM making those calls, however, retaining Ireland in that role was dubious, and having Carl Peterson as a consigliere is arguably worse. Giving Parcells the opportunity to do further damage to the organization under the rationale that Ross was giving the man "a chance" to prove himself was absurd, you make an evaluation then apply your judgment. Parcells was stealing money for the Fins and should have been sent packing along with every Parcells protege. The Dez Bryant incident was another blackeye for the organization and whether Ross was responsible for it or not is irrelevant, it still stains the organization that he owns and anyond who wishes to apologize for Ireland on the grounds that he was asking about character should recall that 31-other organizations in the NFL were able to inquire about Bryant's character without calling the man's mother a whore!
Let's not pretend there isn't ample reason to vilify Ross. Blame the media is the first cunard of the corrupt, the inept or the stupid. What's the media supposed to report? A few owners are quoted in an article as liking Ross and admiring his business savvy and suddenly his apologists use it as a vouchsafe of some kind. When have NFL owners or execs ever criticized one of their own? Ever? I've seen the Bidwells and Mike Brown praised in the media by other owners. They don't bite their own. I fail to see how such votes of confidence indicate anything but agnostic bluster. Jerry Jones loved Al Davis for crying out loud! We should somehow care that Robert Kraft respects Stephen Ross? Kind of like Belichick respected Wannstadt?Have you ever seen a commentator like Joe Theismann throw a coach under the bus, no matter how incompetent? I've never heard it myself. In fact, Theismann became a caricature for never criticizing coaches no matter how inept they were, for him to utter even tepid criticism of the Fins is damning in my opinion. Franchises reflect their ownerships. See the Browns, Bengals, Cards, Lions, Jags, Raiders, etc.