Stephen Ross never learns

[H.P. Lovedrafts]

The week before this season started, Miami's front office was having discussions about trading for Deshaun Watson. At the time the report came out, I truly believed that it was BS and wanted Coach Flores to come put publicly and firmly quash these stories. But he didn't. I thought that was odd and it bothered me that the head coach wouldn't give Tua the backing he needed and state there was no truth to these stories.

Cut to 7 weeks into the season (after Tua had a good performance in a loss), reliable reports come out that Miami and Houston are in serious negotiations to trade for Deshaun Watson. What the actual ****...

Let's flash back to 2011 when Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland made a bungled hush hush trip to California to woo Jim Harbaugh to be the next head coach of the Miami Dolphins, despite Tony Sparano already being the head coach. Sound familiar? Despite Jeff Ireland no longer being with the Dolphins, this underhanded method of running this franchise continues, and that's because it's Stephen Ross' style.

Whether you think Tua Tagovailoa is the answer at QB or not makes no difference. If you think he's the answer at QB, don't undermine his confidence and standing amongst his teammates (as well as team morale) by trying to replace him during the season. If you think Tua is another swing and a miss at QB, trade him while his stock is probably at the highest it will be (coming off a good game and being relatively healthy).

Ross can't have it both ways. Either go to battle with who you have or make a change. His coaches and players aren't mindless robots. They have both pride and feelings, something he doesn't get. Until Ross and his ilk are removed from our beloved team, the Miami Dolphins will tread water in failure, occasionally bobbing up to achieve mediocrity.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

The problem with billionaires is they're used to getting what they want, which can also be a good thing if what they want actually benefits the team.

If Ross had succeeded with Harbaugh and he was great in Miami, my guess is most fans wouldn't care about the way it got done.

 

[H.P. Lovedrafts]

The problem with billionaires is they're used to getting what they want, which can also be a good thing if what they want actually benefits the team.

If Ross had succeeded with Harbaugh and he was great in Miami, my guess is most fans wouldn't care about the way it got done.

You're probably right. Had Jim Harbaugh decided to coach the Dolphins and recaptured some of the previous magic he had in San Fran, most fans probably wouldn't care how Tony Sparano was treated (I probably would have gotten over it quickly too). The problem with that strategy is that in both the case of Sparano and now Watson/Tua, there's a good chance that the deal won't happen and you're stuck with an awkward and weakened situation with your head coach/quarterback. As you said, billionaires are used to getting what they want, so most don't plan for the possibility of being spurned.

 

[The Bopkin]

I haven't seen documented evidence(have I missed it?) that Stephen Ross is pushing for DW. I've seen conjecture, suppositions, and theory- no documentation as of this point. To presume at this point that Ross is pushing for Watson, is, until I see concrete evidence, just guesswork.
So, my greater concern with Ross isn't so much about pushing for DW, -until it happens or that theory is confirmed with evidence- it is more his repeated inability to set up a proper football structure and pick the right people to run it.
DeShaun Watson blah blah blah all day...it's just noise at this point. (No disrespect intended) His "trade" to Miami is just something for people to talk about right now. It isn't fact (yet)

 

[FinSolari]

I haven't seen documented evidence(have I missed it?) that Stephen Ross is pushing for DW. I've seen conjecture, suppositions, and theory- no documentation as of this point. To presume at this point that Ross is pushing for Watson, is, until I see concrete evidence, just guesswork.
So, my greater concern with Ross isn't so much about pushing for DW, -until it happens or that theory is confirmed with evidence- it is more his repeated inability to set up a proper football structure and pick the right people to run it.
DeShaun Watson blah blah blah all day...it's just noise at this point. (No disrespect intended) His "trade" to Miami is just something for people to talk about right now. It isn't fact (yet)

That’s my concern as well, even you take away Watson’s legal issues because you could have the best ingredients in the world but if the cook is **** then it won’t matter. If Watson is coming here, Ross better have a good plan regarding the GM and HC.

 

[Fin-Loco]

The week before this season started, Miami's front office was having discussions about trading for Deshaun Watson. At the time the report came out, I truly believed that it was BS and wanted Coach Flores to come put publicly and firmly quash these stories. But he didn't. I thought that was odd and it bothered me that the head coach wouldn't give Tua the backing he needed and state there was no truth to these stories.

Cut to 7 weeks into the season (after Tua had a good performance in a loss), reliable reports come out that Miami and Houston are in serious negotiations to trade for Deshaun Watson. What the actual ****...

Let's flash back to 2011 when Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland made a bungled hush hush trip to California to woo Jim Harbaugh to be the next head coach of the Miami Dolphins, despite Tony Sparano already being the head coach. Sound familiar? Despite Jeff Ireland no longer being with the Dolphins, this underhanded method of running this franchise continues, and that's because it's Stephen Ross' style.

Whether you think Tua Tagovailoa is the answer at QB or not makes no difference. If you think he's the answer at QB, don't undermine his confidence and standing amongst his teammates (as well as team morale) by trying to replace him during the season. If you think Tua is another swing and a miss at QB, trade him while his stock is probably at the highest it will be (coming off a good game and being relatively healthy).

Ross can't have it both ways. Either go to battle with who you have or make a change. His coaches and players aren't mindless robots. They have both pride and feelings, something he doesn't get. Until Ross and his ilk are removed from our beloved team, the Miami Dolphins will tread water in failure, occasionally bobbing up to achieve mediocrity.

Tua is an NFL Qb now. The world isn't a place where everyone gives you a big hug and tucks you into bed whispering appreciation and love in your ear while you make millions. That sucks but it is what it is. In the NFL you are constantly auditioning to either keep your job or for the next job. Let Tua use it as motivation as he's either going to prove why DW isn't needed or why he is. If Tua wants job security he can go be a mailman in the Klondike. In the NFL there is no such thing.

 

[artdnj]

Someone is and has been sweet on DW, maybe Ross, maybe Flo. One thing is certain, Flo isn't doing Tua any favors in Miami

 

[dolfan91]

Ross the Rumor Monger.

 

[Geordie]

Great OP. The lack of strong denial from our end is troubling. I am starting to think it is possible that Flores and Grier are trying some crude form of motivation on Tua here, because even if it is all true, it's in your best interests to refute the rumours strongly. That way you are not diminishing the value of the asset you would have to trade away and at the same time strengthen your hand with Houston. Now I think it is entirely possible that they are trying to say to Tua, you better get better or you can be replaced. It's a stupid and ham fisted approach, but does anyone think the mensa team running this club is beyond that ?

 

[Beach Bum]

Like, in Ross, I do not trust, Dudes!

 

[utahphinsfan]

I haven't seen documented evidence(have I missed it?) that Stephen Ross is pushing for DW. I've seen conjecture, suppositions, and theory- no documentation as of this point. To presume at this point that Ross is pushing for Watson, is, until I see concrete evidence, just guesswork.
So, my greater concern with Ross isn't so much about pushing for DW, -until it happens or that theory is confirmed with evidence- it is more his repeated inability to set up a proper football structure and pick the right people to run it.
DeShaun Watson blah blah blah all day...it's just noise at this point. (No disrespect intended) His "trade" to Miami is just something for people to talk about right now. It isn't fact (yet)

This times 1000

 

[cullenbigcstill]

The whole concept to being a Dolphins fan is flawed, because someone (Ross) owns our emotional tie to what we devote our fandom too. He is a Jets fan. Self proclaimed as a kid and grownup. Our football love, hope and dreams are owned and controlled, incessantly by a Jest fan.

We get to **** talk him, while he watches our team always find that perfect mediocre wave that never progresses forward to anything of consistent valued substance and success. Yet, other teams go from laughingstock to contenders in one offseason (I know there's context missing).

I'm just a guy who realizes this and continues to believe (maybe fooled) we will get it one day ......



Ross purchased the greatest football team ever in 2008, and had some weird agreement with Wayne in xfer of ownership, I remember for a few years I think ... anyways, 2008 ..... its nearly 2022. What has this mogul owner accomplished? Maybe he's still a fan of his boyhood love.

Unfortunately for us, he owns us until he doesn't.

 

[PHINSfan]

The whole concept to being a Dolphins fan is flawed, because someone (Ross) owns our emotional tie to what we devote our fandom too. He is a Jets fan. Self proclaimed as a kid and grownup. Our football love, hope and dreams are owned and controlled, incessantly by a Jest fan.

We get to **** talk him, while he watches our team always find that perfect mediocre wave that never progresses forward to anything of consistent valued substance and success. Yet, other teams go from laughingstock to contenders in one offseason (I know there's context missing).

I'm just a guy who realizes this and continues to believe (maybe fooled) we will get it one day ......



Ross purchased the greatest football team ever in 2008, and had some weird agreement with Wayne in xfer of ownership, I remember for a few years I think ... anyways, 2008 ..... its nearly 2022. What has this mogul owner accomplished? Maybe he's still a fan of his boyhood love.

Unfortunately for us, he owns us until he doesn't.

I totally agree! Once a Jets fan..... always a Jets fan! As long as he is making money from our Phins he doesn't care enough to make the nedded changes to make this team great again.

 

[AdamD13]

Why do fans think GMs/Coaches/Owners are going to publicize discussions, decisions, and actions taken?

It would be totally DYSFUNCTIONAL to take that approach.

 

[LANGER72]

Ross is a snake