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Stockar McDougle: Is he WORTH starting?

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I am known around here for being a pretty big supporter of Vernon Carey. I was super impressed with his performances during the preseason, but when the real bullets started flying he did not perform to the same level.

He has been a disappointing run blocker, in my eyes. I watch the tape and that is what I see...poor reaction time in the run blocking department, lackidaisical run blocking, etc.

However, his pass protection, honestly, is superior to both Damion McIntosh and Stockar McDougle. I am not saying you have to take my word for it just because I said so, but I am very confident that anyone who scours the tapes as much as I do should conclude the same thing.

Obviously, we are a better team when we are able to RUN the ball, hence the reasoning behind Stockar McDougle starting at RT over Vernon Carey. I can completely understand that line of reasoning, IF you truly believe Stockar McDougle's run blocking is helping us run the ball better.

But, I am here to ask you, is it worth it? Is it worth starting McDougle?

Consider this. Both players have had 5 games now. Carey had 3 starts, Stockar has 2 starts. Here are their stats so far.

Holding Penalties: Carey 1, McDougle 4

False Starts: Carey 1, McDougle 5

Sacks Allowed: Carey 1 (playing LT), McDougle 3

Listen, I KNOW that statistics never tell the full story, I'm one of the people that say that constantly. But, with the statistics being THIS lopsided in addition to what I have seen with my own EYES, I have honestly had it with Stockar McDougle starting at RT for us.

It would be one thing if his starting was resulting in way more yardage to the right side in the ground game, but I put forth to you right now that it has not.

I have counted each run behind right tackle or right end, and found that Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Travis Minor, and Sammy Morris have combined for 18 rushes, 66 yards, and 1 TD to the right side during time in which Stockar McDougle was in the game at RT. This time includes the 2nd halves of the Broncos, Jets, and Panthers games, and all of the Bills and Bucs games. And, just so you know, we only ran the ball behind Stockar McDougle once in the Bucs game for 4 yards, so you can't possibly say that the statistics are skewed because of Tampa's supreme run defense.

I thought to myself, ok, I should count the runs behind right guard as well, because lets face it if McDougle doesn't block his end a run behind RG isn't going to succeed either and if it does succeed perhaps McDougle got a good block. With runs behind RG added in, you get 25 runs for 93 yards...which changes the ypc by a whopping 0.05

25 rushes behind right guard, tackle, or end for 93 yards rushing, and 1 TD.
5 false starts for -25 yards enforced.
4 holding penalties for -10 yards enforced.
3 sacks for -16 yards, with two fumbles (one lost).

Someone please tell me, is he worth it? Carey has 1 false start to his name, 1 holding penalty to his name, and 1 sack to his name which came when Carey had to make the difficult switch from RT to LT to go up against John Abraham, who was having a field day with us.

I am honestly sick of seeing McDougle out there. And, at this point, if Saban sticks with McDougle, I have to question whether or not Saban is merely starting McDougle so that he can say that his lone offensive line acquisition is making a significant contribution.

Yeah, he's contributing alright, but in all the wrong ways.

I guess it would be one thing if what he is showing right now is different from what he did in the preseason, and therefore perhaps anomolous. BUT, this is EXACTLY what he did during the preseason. He was horrendous then, and he is horrendous now.
 
Stockar is terrible. There is a reason that Detroit let him go..

I'm sick of seeing his lazy *** get flagged for stupid mental mistakes.
 
Yeah, seriously. 9 penalties in 5 games and I don't care that *only* 6 of them have been accepted. 9 penalties, 3 sacks. What a pickup. JUST BENCH HIM!
 
I'm really not sure if Stockar McDougle is worth starting, he's very inconsistent. He may be the best run blocker on our team but from some plays I've seen, he may very well be the worse pass blocker on this team. No doubt in my mind that Vernon is definitely a better place blocker and McDougle is a BEAST at running block he just can't pass protect and he's let up 3 sacks in in only what I believe is two starts for him. I think the biggest question is, should Vernon Carey be a LT or RT? Everyone is saying he is a RT and that's all he is a capable of when in reality he has been our starting LT all back to the offseason up to I believe Game 2 or 3 of preseason. Why did we move him to RT? Was it just because D-Mac has been stepping it up and we wanted him at LT and he has more experience? Why not D-Mac at RT or Vernon at LT? It seems like we've been trying everything and nothing is settled which is a problem because we can't keep rotating our tackles or our Offensive line. It seems like Vernon is cleary going to be a RT for us and nothing else and the question is no longer do we play him at LT, RT, etc. but do we start him or Stockar at RT. I'm personally not a big fan of the whole rotating Tackles, but that honestly might be the best solution for us... We can have Carey or Stockar first half... if it's McDougle 1st half, we'll excell on running plays and for the 2nd half we'd excell on pass protection with Vernon pass blocking. We can't just put Stockar in for running plays and Vernon in for passing plays, that would just give away to the defense whether we're going to run or pass which is why the rotating Tackles might be a good idea. We went to establish the run early in the game, in the first half which is why we might be better off starting Stockar McDougle and have Vernon Carey playing RT for the second half where much like the first half, we'll mix it up with runs and passes and he'll excell on the pass blocking. While I wouldn't call it a lock, I think it's safe to say that Damion McIntosh will remain as our starting LT and I think he's been doing and fantastic job and he may very well be our best Offensive Lineman, he's playing the best by far in my honest opinion. Least penalties... sacks allowed... etc.
 
We've been weak at OT for years now. The addition of McDougal changed nothing as far as I'm concerned....

The day we let RT T. Wade walk, our troubles at OT really started to show. It was LT before Wade left, now it's both OT positions that need upgrading...

As for Carey, he's been somewhat of a disappointment. His still learning, and needs experience. His day will come IMO. McDougal was a complete waste, and even with Houck coahcing him, he's still not playing well...

This off-season, we need to invest that 25 million accordingly, and fix this garbage OL once and for all. Upgrades at OT / C are a must IMO....

PHINZ RULE!!!
 
ckparrothead said:
I would certainly dispute that.
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I think he would be definite starter for us if he had some consistency. Who would you say are our best run blockers? Hadnot, James, D-Mac, McDougle?
 
Ya I been a high supporter to of Carey. We need to get him out on that line whereever. He needs reps and he needs to build confidence.
 
What about putting Carey at RG and keeping McPenalty at RT? I think Hadnot has the most penalties on the line, right? And if we're not getting any ground game going off the right side, then isn't Hadnot to blame for part of that? This would follow the same principles in your post, but it just would target a different player.
 
How in the heck can you decide who should be starting on the Oline? Houck is one of the best Oline coaches in football, he made chicken salad out of chicken crap in San Diego. Perhaps, the line is simply that bad. That we are fielding the best players, the rest suck worse. Maybe that's it.

Isn't that much more plausible, then the possibility of you knowing more then Houck?
 
I went ahead and checked.

During the first halves of the Broncos, Jets, and Panthers games, we ran to the right side (guard, tackle, end) 12 times for 36 yards for a 3.0 ypc.

Something to keep in mind about all this is that I am not sure exactly whether McDougle played the entire 2nd half against the Broncos, Jets, and Panthers, nor am I sure exactly when Carey was inserted back into the lineup at LT vs. those three opponents. All I know is that McDougle never took a first half snap and did play at the very least MOST of the second half in all three games, and Carey played sparingly if at all against the Bills and Bucs.

In other words, I have a very strong feeling that I am short-changing Vernon Carey on his run production because I know that we've had a significant amount of success running to the left side during the second half of games, I just have no way of knowing whether Vernon Carey was blocking or Damion McIntosh was...unless I actually sit through all three game tapes.

As for penalties, Hadnot I believe has 7 false starts, while McDougle has 5 plus 1 holding penalty, but McDougle has overall been flagged more than Hadnot. McD has been flagged 9 times, but 3 of the holding penalties were not accepted for various reasons.

For those that are disappointed in Carey, how much of that disappointment can be attributed to the fact that he is not starting yet? Because honestly, the wisdom of Carey sitting on the bench is exactly what I am questioning here. It is my belief that the coaches are making a mistake.
 
BLITZKRIEG said:
We've been weak at OT for years now. The addition of McDougal changed nothing as far as I'm concerned....

The day we let RT T. Wade walk, our troubles at OT really started to show. It was LT before Wade left, now it's both OT positions that need upgrading...

As for Carey, he's been somewhat of a disappointment. His still learning, and needs experience. His day will come IMO. McDougal was a complete waste, and even with Houck coahcing him, he's still not playing well...

This off-season, we need to invest that 25 million accordingly, and fix this garbage OL once and for all. Upgrades at OT / C are a must IMO....

PHINZ RULE!!!
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Yea Wade is looking great on that AWESOME Texan offensive line.
 
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