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Stop mentioning the Flynn 6 TD game!!!

ckparrothead said:
I spoke with a coach that told me that the game plan they ran with Flynn was different from what they run with Rodgers. Different play designs and concepts.
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thats interesting...but it didn't look that way to me...maybe some different route combos etc but i'm not sure i saw that either...maybe they ran more underneath and quick type stuff instead of what you would with rodgers cause there's no doubt flynn does not have the same level arm as rodgers...not even close...i know this much...flynn was under a lot of initial/quick pass rush pressure from the outside...so much that when i watched the tape of the game i said to myself "the pack better get this oline figured out in a hurry and better hope chad clifton is ready cause if they don't the giants d should they match up will eat their lunch..."
 
ckparrothead said:
I spoke with a coach that told me that the game plan they ran with Flynn was different from what they run with Rodgers. Different play designs and concepts.
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Interesting. However, if true it doesn't particularly help Flynn's case, because defenses haven't really been able to study the tendencies of that game plan to stop it. It's more of a boost to Philbin's stock than anything. Though, you know, one could say the same thing of Schaub in Atlanta and any of Favre's backups in GB. The game plans would have been substantially different with any of those guys in the game versus the starters.
 
Soooo... Does anyone else remember that one time when Matt Flynn threw for 6 TD's?!?

Just thought it was worth mentioning...
 
the thing about flynn that stood out for me is his timing was very good...i didn't watch that game and say to myself he's late over and over like i have with henne and a lot of the college qbs i've taken a look at this year...this o under philbin imo is gonna be very timing oriented...and i think flynn if we keep with what he's familiar with will show very good timing...his timing to me is similar to what i saw with penny who had outstanding timing...the ball was always out on time...its the thing that kept penny in the league as long as it did after he started having arm issues...his arm was pretty much dead but he beat you with timing...except flynns got a better arm than penny...no doubt in my mind on that...

we may not be loading up on 20 yard out route calls with flynn but in this timing based offense i don't think we'll need to...get the ball out of hand and make the proper read...things i have seen evidence of with flynn...that and he has a feel for pressure that a lot of guys frankly don't while a pretty solid athlete...

and you're damn right walrus you don't play that kind of gameplan with a backup unless you trust he can make plays...sparano would have handed the rock off and punted all game
 
TheWalrus said:
Interesting. However, if true it doesn't particularly help Flynn's case, because defenses haven't really been able to study the tendencies of that game plan to stop it. It's more of a boost to Philbin's stock than anything. Though, you know, one could say the same thing of Schaub in Atlanta and any of Favre's backups in GB. The game plans would have been substantially different with any of those guys in the game versus the starters.
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I think you're assuming that there's only one game plan that works with Flynn. I'm not saying it was a totally different game plan with all totally new concepts, etc. I'm just saying that I've been told that the play designs and tendencies, there were some different ones in there from what you usually see with Rodgers, we assume because the game plan was tailored to what Flynn likes. If Philbin is progressive enough to do that then I'm sure he's progressive enough to keep overseeing the development of more and more concepts that could hurt defenses. I don't think there's anything out there to assume either way that defenses will or will not "catch up" to Matt Flynn. Despite the differences Philbin made to the plays in the games where Flynn started, one of the things I keep hearing that makes people love Flynn is they watch practice periods where in first period Rodgers commands the offense and in second period Flynn commands the offense, and there's like virtually no difference in effectiveness or style.

Dan Henning used to submit game plans to all three of his QBs every week and ask them which plays were their favorites and which plays did they maybe not like so much. It's not that Philbin installed a suddenly-non-WCO when Flynn was in, but I've been told some of the concepts were definitely changed.
 
A strong arm is more overrated than having a mind for the game is underrated.
 
Flynn's accuracy in that Detroit Week 17 game was better than I've ever seen it. That was the biggest difference, for me. In the other two games he looked like he had about mediocre level accuracy, but in that game he had excellent accuracy and ball placement. Timing was good too, as hoops says.
 
i have heard the same thing about pack practices also in camp...rodgers would come in and go right down the field...they'd sub in flynn and run the same stuff pretty much and the o never skipped a beat...

philbin has got to be endorsing this kid to ireland and ross...got to be...
 
There's really a lot to like about Flynn though.

He was a pretty highly recruited guy. He won a Championship in college. He's played well as a backup on a Championship pro team. He's got mobility that a lot of people don't know about. Trained really well.

People say "Kevin Kolb" but to me he's much more Matt Cassel. And who knows what Matt Cassel would have been like if allowed to join Josh McDaniels as they both wanted, instead of going to Todd Haley's team in Kansas City?
 
ck give us the scoop on the concepts being different...did the person you talked to go into any detail??? i mean i didn't see the pack protecting flynn at all...he was flinging the ball all over the place despite a lot of pressure
 
hooshoops said:
ck give us the scoop on the concepts being different...did the person you talked to go into any detail??? i mean i didn't see the pack protecting flynn at all...he was flinging the ball all over the place despite a lot of pressure
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I don't have the conversation recorded but I'll see if he's done anything detailed on it.

He didn't go into detail on it with me. I know from my own viewing, it seemed like there were a lot more all-vertical stems and stuff like that. But I'll check with him.
 
ckparrothead said:
Flynn's accuracy in that Detroit Week 17 game was better than I've ever seen it. That was the biggest difference, for me. In the other two games he looked like he had about mediocre level accuracy, but in that game he had excellent accuracy and ball placement. Timing was good too, as hoops says.
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what about is arm strength CK? do you think we are making too much of it here?
 
they ran some shotgun quick draw type stuff to try and help the tackles out in pass pro and to keep the lions de's honest but that was pretty much the extent of what i saw from a help the qb out point...that and the screens which they gashed them with when they blitzed...

like i said before fellas we got peanuts invested in the qb position in 2012 money wise and going forward...if there was ever a year to invest in a qb and front load the guaranteed money in the contract in free agency this is the year...we're not sniffing andrew luck we shouldn't pay the price to go up and get rg3 who's gonna be hurt a lot if he takes the contact he even took in college...

if its not a healthy peyton manning coming thru that door i'm all in on taking a chance on matt flynn...especially with philbin here and knowing him better than anyone else...and cks right...flynns got underrated mobility...this isn't some statue...he moves as well as matt moore to me at least and he has better timing on tape and feel for pressure than moore...
 
Also I think some differences in the play action, from my own viewing. But again, I don't claim to be the expert here. I'll have to ask.
 
illscriptures said:
If you look at the highlights for the Packers vs Lions game where Matt Flynn scored 6 touchdowns, you will notice that every touchdown was scored because of yards created after the catch, this means that Green Bay's skill position players are very good... and that does not mean that Matt Flynn deserves a huge payday. The dolphins need to address the QB position but Matt Moore should be the leading candidate to start camp as the starter and we should look to draft a QB and bring in a free agent to compete in camp and during the season, in case of injuries, but not one that would want us to destroy most of our cap space before he has even truly showed us anything.
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Bro I disagree. You have to acknowledge what he did, and if Joe Philbin thinks he can be an upgrade over Moore then I am all for it. Especially with Sherman here as our OC.
 
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