Stop mentioning the Flynn 6 TD game!!!

[hoops]

the arm would be a concern if we were gonna try and run some play action and vertical outside the #s passing offense like cam cameron runs with the ravens and joe flacco...you can't run the routes down the field the ravens run especially vertical routes on the outside the route combos etc unless you have a qb who has a howlitzer...

our offense will be about timing and accuracy and ball placement and putting guys in position for run after the catch...at least thats what i think...and the arm of matt flynn for that o is plenty good enough...philbin would play to his strengths...

 

[Wildbill3]

the arm would be a concern if we were gonna try and run some play action and vertical outside the #s passing offense like cam cameron runs with the ravens and joe flacco...you can't run the routes down the field the ravens run especially vertical routes on the outside the route combos etc unless you have a qb who has a howlitzer...

our offense will be about timing and accuracy and ball placement and putting guys in position for run after the catch...at least thats what i think...and the arm of matt flynn for that o is plenty good enough...philbin would play to his strengths...

what's the completion percentage on those throws again?

 

[hoops]

what's the completion percentage on those throws again?

lower obviously...but you also get those big play chunk yards quick points that way...instead of 12 play drives where you have to convert 3rd downs over and over...

it goes a little of both ways but the rules the way they are now i prefer a wide open passing attack...and running off of same...

 

[NY8123]

All I have to say about Flynn's arm strength is on one TD throw with a collapsing pocket he lets the ball fly from the Packers 35 yardline and hits Nelson in stride 50 yards down field who gets 15 yards and a TD after the catch.

There was a second throw that he let go from the 43 that was a back shoulder throw and was caught on the goal line for touchdown

There was a third throw from the 50 that bombed right on the money to the 8 before the receiver got pushed out at the 5.

So completions in the air of 50, 43 and 42 with only 18yac and 2td's (3td's if you count the next play from the 5 that Flynn completed for a TD as well).

 

[ckparrothead]

what about is arm strength CK? do you think we are making too much of it here?

Yeah I think too much is being made of it. The accuracy is more important.

There are essentially five throws I really care about from an arm strength standpoint.

There are certain balls usually at about 20 yards distance over the middle that you need to rifle in really quickly. You need to be able to squeeze the ball and get velocity on that throw without losing ball placement, because the separation on these throws is often MINIMAL (often none, DB is draped all over the back of the WR). So you need to be able to squeeze this ball and get velocity because even a tenth of a second counts, and you need to not have to sacrifice any ball placement because the ball's placement being off by even a foot or two can be as costly as a soft throw. He showed the ability to do this in the Week 17 Detroit game. I'm not 100% sure that I saw that consistent ability to get velocity without losing accuracy on this particular throw in the other two games.

Then you have the classic one people talk about, the deep out at about 10 to 15 yards up the field. You don't usually have to worry about opposite hash at the NFL level as the hash marks are tighter. This is usually a 30 yard throw. The main thing isn't the velocity like some people say. It's important but I don't think the velocity makes as much of a difference to be honest. The main thing is the accuracy and how clean the ball comes in. With this throw if you don't have the arm for it, it's usually the accuracy that ends up really off and making a difference, not the velocity. At that distance (30 yards), even a 7 mph difference in average velocity (which is a HUGE difference in arm strength), only ends up affecting the timing by 0.15 seconds. You can make up that amount of timing just in your release. In fact if we're talking Colin Kaepernick versus T.J. Yates, you're more than making up for that timing with differences in release time. And even if you're not making up for the difference in release time, the disadvantage of the significantly weaker arm only causes the defensive back to be able to make up about 3 more feet versus an unmoving target before the ball arrives. If your WR only got 3 feet of separation on that pattern, and he's now standing still waiting for the ball to arrive, to me A LOT of things just went wrong and the LEAST of them is your ball velocity. You've got to know the tendencies of the defensive back you're throwing on, and you've got to know the coverage, and you've got to throw with anticipation, and your receiver has to run through the route. If those things are a go, then separation on this route should be such to where the extra closing distance given up to the DB isn't a problem, it'll only affect your chances of running after the catch. When it comes to that, things like the characteristics of the WR you're throwing to, and the characteristics of the DB closing in, as well as ball placement, end up mattering more than the 3 extra feet of distance the DB closed. In fact sometimes a DB can get into a dead zone where he's TOO close to the receiver at the point of the catch, to where his instincts tell him to go after the ball, but he can't get it, and then your WR is running free.

The third throw I care about from an arm strength standpoint is of course the most overrated, the deep vertical. But what matters here really is the touch, timing and placement. Still, this ball has to come out clean and can't float.

The fourth throw I care about from an arm strength standpoint is throwing on the move. This takes torque that comes primarily from your arm and I need to see that you can trust your arm to hit throws that aren't a short 10 to 15 yards away from you. A lot of QBs won't do more than that, on the run.

And finally the fifth throw I care about is the under pressure throw. And not unlike the throw on the move, it's as much about mentality and willingness to make throws as it is the quality of the actual throws off a back foot or off odd leverage. I just like to see a guy that has so much confidence in his arm, he's not obsessing about pressure.

 

[SamIam]

Yeah I think too much is being made of it. The accuracy is more important.

There are essentially five throws I really care about from an arm strength standpoint.

There are certain balls usually at about 20 yards distance over the middle that you need to rifle in really quickly. You need to be able to squeeze the ball and get velocity on that throw without losing ball placement, because the separation on these throws is often MINIMAL (often none, DB is draped all over the back of the WR). So you need to be able to squeeze this ball and get velocity because even a tenth of a second counts, and you need to not have to sacrifice any ball placement because the ball's placement being off by even a foot or two can be as costly as a soft throw. He showed the ability to do this in the Week 17 Detroit game. I'm not 100% sure that I saw that consistent ability to get velocity without losing accuracy on this particular throw in the other two games.

Then you have the classic one people talk about, the deep out at about 10 to 15 yards up the field. You don't usually have to worry about opposite hash at the NFL level as the hash marks are tighter. This is usually a 30 yard throw. The main thing isn't the velocity like some people say. It's important but I don't think the velocity makes as much of a difference to be honest. The main thing is the accuracy and how clean the ball comes in. With this throw if you don't have the arm for it, it's usually the accuracy that ends up really off and making a difference, not the velocity. At that distance (30 yards), even a 7 mph difference in average velocity (which is a HUGE difference in arm strength), only ends up affecting the timing by 0.15 seconds. You can make up that amount of timing just in your release. In fact if we're talking Colin Kaepernick versus T.J. Yates, you're more than making up for that timing with differences in release time. And even if you're not making up for the difference in release time, the disadvantage of the significantly weaker arm only causes the defensive back to be able to make up about 3 more feet versus an unmoving target before the ball arrives. If your WR only got 3 feet of separation on that pattern, and he's now standing still waiting for the ball to arrive, to me A LOT of things just went wrong and the LEAST of them is your ball velocity. You've got to know the tendencies of the defensive back you're throwing on, and you've got to know the coverage, and you've got to throw with anticipation, and your receiver has to run through the route. If those things are a go, then separation on this route should be such to where the extra closing distance given up to the DB isn't a problem, it'll only affect your chances of running after the catch. When it comes to that, things like the characteristics of the WR you're throwing to, and the characteristics of the DB closing in, as well as ball placement, end up mattering more than the 3 extra feet of distance the DB closed. In fact sometimes a DB can get into a dead zone where he's TOO close to the receiver at the point of the catch, to where his instincts tell him to go after the ball, but he can't get it, and then your WR is running free.

The third throw I care about from an arm strength standpoint is of course the most overrated, the deep vertical. But what matters here really is the touch, timing and placement. Still, this ball has to come out clean and can't float.

The fourth throw I care about from an arm strength standpoint is throwing on the move. This takes torque that comes primarily from your arm and I need to see that you can trust your arm to hit throws that aren't a short 10 to 15 yards away from you. A lot of QBs won't do more than that, on the run.

And finally the fifth throw I care about is the under pressure throw. And not unlike the throw on the move, it's as much about mentality and willingness to make throws as it is the quality of the actual throws off a back foot or off odd leverage. I just like to see a guy that has so much confidence in his arm, he's not obsessing about pressure.

wow.. that is some deep stuff.. thanks CK

Honestly I was on the fence but now I am all for it.. Flynn it is

 

[ckparrothead]

wow.. that is some deep stuff.. thanks CK

Honestly I was on the fence but now I am all for it.. Flynn it is

What I wrote wasn't a 3,000 word ringing endorsement of Flynn. It was an explanation of my views on arm strength.

I think the questions on Flynn boil down to the same things that the decision on most QBs boils down to: accuracy and decision-making.

In my experience watching Flynn, he can make some poor choices...like a Tony Romo. Not quite like Tony Romo in the 4th quarter or anything like that but he can make some bad choices with a percentage frequency that approaches Romo.

And then there's the accuracy issue. Prior to that Week 17 game against the Lions, I'd have swore to you his accuracy is only about mediocre. But in that Week 17 game his accuracy was far better than that.

And that about sums up what I think about Matt Flynn. There was a quote from a scout I saw that said he's at the very least another Tony Romo. I think that's a fair comparison, actually.

 

[hoops]

ck outside of the quick slant where he telegraphed with his eyes the throw so much a db playing 8 yards off man coverage in alphonso smith was able to jump the route and ball for an int what other evidence of poor decisions by flynn did you see in that lions game???

 

[NY8123]

Yeah I think too much is being made of it. The accuracy is more important.

There are essentially five throws I really care about from an arm strength standpoint.

There are certain balls usually at about 20 yards distance over the middle that you need to rifle in really quickly. You need to be able to squeeze the ball and get velocity on that throw without losing ball placement, because the separation on these throws is often MINIMAL (often none, DB is draped all over the back of the WR). So you need to be able to squeeze this ball and get velocity because even a tenth of a second counts, and you need to not have to sacrifice any ball placement because the ball's placement being off by even a foot or two can be as costly as a soft throw. He showed the ability to do this in the Week 17 Detroit game. I'm not 100% sure that I saw that consistent ability to get velocity without losing accuracy on this particular throw in the other two games.

Then you have the classic one people talk about, the deep out at about 10 to 15 yards up the field. You don't usually have to worry about opposite hash at the NFL level as the hash marks are tighter. This is usually a 30 yard throw. The main thing isn't the velocity like some people say. It's important but I don't think the velocity makes as much of a difference to be honest. The main thing is the accuracy and how clean the ball comes in. With this throw if you don't have the arm for it, it's usually the accuracy that ends up really off and making a difference, not the velocity. At that distance (30 yards), even a 7 mph difference in average velocity (which is a HUGE difference in arm strength), only ends up affecting the timing by 0.15 seconds. You can make up that amount of timing just in your release. In fact if we're talking Colin Kaepernick versus T.J. Yates, you're more than making up for that timing with differences in release time. And even if you're not making up for the difference in release time, the disadvantage of the significantly weaker arm only causes the defensive back to be able to make up about 3 more feet versus an unmoving target before the ball arrives. If your WR only got 3 feet of separation on that pattern, and he's now standing still waiting for the ball to arrive, to me A LOT of things just went wrong and the LEAST of them is your ball velocity. You've got to know the tendencies of the defensive back you're throwing on, and you've got to know the coverage, and you've got to throw with anticipation, and your receiver has to run through the route. If those things are a go, then separation on this route should be such to where the extra closing distance given up to the DB isn't a problem, it'll only affect your chances of running after the catch. When it comes to that, things like the characteristics of the WR you're throwing to, and the characteristics of the DB closing in, as well as ball placement, end up mattering more than the 3 extra feet of distance the DB closed. In fact sometimes a DB can get into a dead zone where he's TOO close to the receiver at the point of the catch, to where his instincts tell him to go after the ball, but he can't get it, and then your WR is running free.

The third throw I care about from an arm strength standpoint is of course the most overrated, the deep vertical. But what matters here really is the touch, timing and placement. Still, this ball has to come out clean and can't float.

The fourth throw I care about from an arm strength standpoint is throwing on the move. This takes torque that comes primarily from your arm and I need to see that you can trust your arm to hit throws that aren't a short 10 to 15 yards away from you. A lot of QBs won't do more than that, on the run.

And finally the fifth throw I care about is the under pressure throw. And not unlike the throw on the move, it's as much about mentality and willingness to make throws as it is the quality of the actual throws off a back foot or off odd leverage. I just like to see a guy that has so much confidence in his arm, he's not obsessing about pressure.

More great points CK and I have always come back to one all time great QB when anyone brings up arm strength, he didn't have the biggest cannon, he didn't have the fleetest feet and he wasn't the best athlete but damn was he accurate - Joe Montana.

There is such a thing as throwing a receiver open or placement of the ball so that only the receiver has a shot to catch it. It is almost second nature to the great ones I'm not saying Flynn has that after only two games but he damn sure has the potential to have similar success. He has demonstrated the ability to make every throw in the NFL.

ck outside of the quick slant where he telegraphed with his eyes the throw so much a db playing 8 yards off man coverage in alphonso smith was able to jump the route and ball for an int what other evidence of poor decisions by flynn did you see in that lions game???

Ditto?

 

[ckparrothead]

ck outside of the quick slant where he telegraphed with his eyes the throw so much a db playing 8 yards off man coverage in alphonso smith was able to jump the route and ball for an int what other evidence of poor decisions by flynn did you see in that lions game???

Bad plays. He has them. Some are under pressure, some not. Specifically?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C8F0cWvAfo

New England - 0:48 was a bad choice, didn't recognize the blitz or throw into the vacated zone. 1:45 ended up being a touchdown but at the very least that was a real risky throw, the kind of decision that Bill Belichick loved having Brandon Merriweather take advantage of in other games. Belichick's got Merriweather lined up deep right over top of that receiver. The really good throw bails out the decision, but Merriweather should've been all over that ball snatching it out of the air. At 2:08 he should have been able to sense the five man rush and know he's got to get the ball out quick. The route he wanted didn't develop on time and he's got to to know to not try and stick with it while so many guys are flying at him, get the ball to his leak option. At 2:37 that's just a straight up wrong read for the defense the Patriots were in, and he's lucky it wasn't more costly. At 4:36 this one kind of goes without saying, bad interception here. He had no clue what defense the Pats were in, two defenders had a shot at that ball. But at 5:39 he makes another risky decision trying to drop the ball in the bucket between corner and safety zones on the corner route, but he didn't check to see if the corner had had depth, which he did. Should've been Kyle Arrington's 2nd pick of the day. At 7:20 I didn't like how he handled himself, his choices under pressure. Seemed like a fumble risk there. But then at 7:38, if I'd criticize RG3 for this why wouldn't I criticize Flynn for it? Get down, don't risk injury. Just a low quality decision, unthinking. Then at 8:21, another interception. What was I talking about earlier? How at 1:45 he gets a touchdown on a coverage that was very risky to throw into. He tries to get away with it again only this time the timing is off, he got cute, and Merriweather easily picks the thing.

Now, by the Detroit game, Week 17 of 2011, he definitely cut down on bad decisions. But he still had some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP_kCH84HmI

Detroit - At 1:02 he's got easily two guys over the middle he could get the ball to, either for big gains. If he's feeling the pressure, he could've easily gotten the ball to Jordy Nelson for a big gain. Just didn't read it. End result? Sack, fumble. I didn't like the decision at 2:38, but there were a couple things wrong with that play. Ultimately the risky thing he did was make the decision that he was going to try and manipulate the defense with his eyes and then throw blind to the back in the backfield without knowing if a linebacker or defensive lineman had covered him up. In this case you had a linebacker bearing hard on the lane having gotten a read on the play, and that could have been a pick 6. It was a bad plan, risky execution of it. Contrary to what the announcers may say or what people may think, it was not a called screen. He had options on that play. In fact, Donald Driver was pretty sure he was getting the ball on the out route from the slot, and indeed he should have, as that would have been a touchdown with a well placed and executed throw. At 4:15 I just think this was a risky decision to keep hold of this ball on 3rd down with your own end zone behind you. Detroit brings six and Green Bay has six to block them, that's a mismatch for the defense. I don't care if you've got to make him come back for it a little and then try and run for the necessary yardage after the catch, you have to dump that ball over the middle to Jermichael Finley on the drag route. Flynn holds on and runs around a little bit with all those pass rushers around him and that to me is risky. As you say, the interception at 5:20 is inexcusable. Just to show I'm not being nitpicky, 8:58 is an example of a sack I don't mind. He did the right things there. On the other hand he could have done with less panic at 9:58 and then he wouldn't have risked another sack/strip. He had a man running underneath the umbrella. But I think at 10:45 we can agree that this is a poor decision. This ball was going to Jordy Nelson and when Flynn looked, he should have seen Driver's man too close to the lane. Gotta make the safer choice, that pick could've won Detroit the game.

Definitely fewer bad decisions in the Lions game than in the Patriots game...but they were still there, and on the whole I think he has a tendency toward them.

 

[ckparrothead]

I have about 9 poor choices in the NE game on 44 dropbacks, and 6 poor choices in the DET game on 47 dropbacks. That comes out to be about 1 poor choice in about 6 plays. Bad QBs do much worse, but the best do better.

 

[DANTODUPER]

Matt Flynn has proven he can win in the NFL??? He's started 2 games and he's 1-1. That's proving you can win in the NFL???

Even if we do get Flynn, we still would have to draft a QB because of the nearly complete uncertainty that he brings.

Exactly!!! That's what I would do after decades of bad to mediocre QB's on this team. I would have a QB that could be the solution (Matt Moore) a free agent that looks like a promising prospect (Flynn) and a draft pick that has some possibilities of being the good one (RG III or some 2nd round gem) and put them to compete on our team.... cause one thing is clear ... we need to find one NOW.

 

[Phanatical]

So those against Flynn would rather just stick with Moore and go 6-10 again next season.....

No, those against Flynn just don't see him as a franchise QB and would rather the Phins get a real franchise QB than an overhyped backup.

 

[hoops]

Bad plays. He has them. Some are under pressure, some not. Specifically?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C8F0cWvAfo

New England - 0:48 was a bad choice, didn't recognize the blitz or throw into the vacated zone. 1:45 ended up being a touchdown but at the very least that was a real risky throw, the kind of decision that Bill Belichick loved having Brandon Merriweather take advantage of in other games. Belichick's got Merriweather lined up deep right over top of that receiver. The really good throw bails out the decision, but Merriweather should've been all over that ball snatching it out of the air. At 2:08 he should have been able to sense the five man rush and know he's got to get the ball out quick. The route he wanted didn't develop on time and he's got to to know to not try and stick with it while so many guys are flying at him, get the ball to his leak option. At 2:37 that's just a straight up wrong read for the defense the Patriots were in, and he's lucky it wasn't more costly. At 4:36 this one kind of goes without saying, bad interception here. He had no clue what defense the Pats were in, two defenders had a shot at that ball. But at 5:39 he makes another risky decision trying to drop the ball in the bucket between corner and safety zones on the corner route, but he didn't check to see if the corner had had depth, which he did. Should've been Kyle Arrington's 2nd pick of the day. At 7:20 I didn't like how he handled himself, his choices under pressure. Seemed like a fumble risk there. But then at 7:38, if I'd criticize RG3 for this why wouldn't I criticize Flynn for it? Get down, don't risk injury. Just a low quality decision, unthinking. Then at 8:21, another interception. What was I talking about earlier? How at 1:45 he gets a touchdown on a coverage that was very risky to throw into. He tries to get away with it again only this time the timing is off, he got cute, and Merriweather easily picks the thing.

Now, by the Detroit game, Week 17 of 2011, he definitely cut down on bad decisions. But he still had some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP_kCH84HmI

Detroit - At 1:02 he's got easily two guys over the middle he could get the ball to, either for big gains. If he's feeling the pressure, he could've easily gotten the ball to Jordy Nelson for a big gain. Just didn't read it. End result? Sack, fumble. I didn't like the decision at 2:38, but there were a couple things wrong with that play. Ultimately the risky thing he did was make the decision that he was going to try and manipulate the defense with his eyes and then throw blind to the back in the backfield without knowing if a linebacker or defensive lineman had covered him up. In this case you had a linebacker bearing hard on the lane having gotten a read on the play, and that could have been a pick 6. It was a bad plan, risky execution of it. Contrary to what the announcers may say or what people may think, it was not a called screen. He had options on that play. In fact, Donald Driver was pretty sure he was getting the ball on the out route from the slot, and indeed he should have, as that would have been a touchdown with a well placed and executed throw. At 4:15 I just think this was a risky decision to keep hold of this ball on 3rd down with your own end zone behind you. Detroit brings six and Green Bay has six to block them, that's a mismatch for the defense. I don't care if you've got to make him come back for it a little and then try and run for the necessary yardage after the catch, you have to dump that ball over the middle to Jermichael Finley on the drag route. Flynn holds on and runs around a little bit with all those pass rushers around him and that to me is risky. As you say, the interception at 5:20 is inexcusable. Just to show I'm not being nitpicky, 8:58 is an example of a sack I don't mind. He did the right things there. On the other hand he could have done with less panic at 9:58 and then he wouldn't have risked another sack/strip. He had a man running underneath the umbrella. But I think at 10:45 we can agree that this is a poor decision. This ball was going to Jordy Nelson and when Flynn looked, he should have seen Driver's man too close to the lane. Gotta make the safer choice, that pick could've won Detroit the game.

Definitely fewer bad decisions in the Lions game than in the Patriots game...but they were still there, and on the whole I think he has a tendency toward them.

stupid me...never even thought about looking at youtube to rewatch the pats game...i saw some indecision in his play there i thought he held the ball a little too much at times and didn't feel things but i also have to say it was the kids first pro start against belichick of all people so you know...imo it's to be expected...i saw evidence of him not recognizing coverages a few times and trying to force things when he shouldn't...main thing that stands out to me like you said is if the safety is basically over your wr and you're gonna run a route right into the teeth of that coverage you as the qb need to come off that option from jump pretty much...flynn got away with one on the td where the throw beat merriweather and merriweather looked like he took a bad angle but then again maybe flynn saw the safety was too flat and decided to fire it in there where only his man could make a play...that said he did try to go to that well a few more times and merriweather made him pay... most of what i see there though at this point i would chalk up to a learning experience...given how little run as a starter he's had...if i saw those kind of repeat decisions over and over then yeah i would label the kid at some point for sure...

as for the green bay game i think personally ck you're a little harsh on the first play you mentioned...yeah he's got nelson crossing underneath the dropping coverage but when he goes to step up likely looking past the sticks as its 3rd and 10 before i think he recognizes nelson he gets hit and fumbles...sure he could have dumped the ball to kuhn or nelson underneath earlier but i think when he stepped up he figured he had time...i would say though that given what happened on that play its fair to say he maybe didn't recognize the coverage and where his hay could be made ie nelson on the shallow cross underneath the zone or kuhn on the dump off out of the backfield...

i know i didn't ask you to give evidence of the things you liked from him but that play at the 1:50 mark is pretty damn money...feels the pressure from the outside steps up flows laterally with his eyes downfield before hitting nelson for an 18 yard gain on the scramble drill with a cliff avril i think it is in his wheelhouse and downhill...

i also see evidence of a much more comfortable qb in this his second start than against the pats in his first...better feet better composure...just an all around much better feel for what's going on and a confidence about himself that shows...

another thing that stands out though is that packers offense is cash money from the design and the way they get mismatches with formations and personnel...that thing is beautiful to watch...if that's whats coming here HOT DAMN

the play at 2:38 once avril rushes upfield giving that throwing lane flynn should have a window to fit that ball in but if you look at the video newsome the left tackle is late coming off the combo block and lets that lb go unimpeded to the ball had that ball not been thrown hard thats probably an int...but i do agree that was not a called screen looking at it again...i just think flynn tried to get avril to rush upfield on his backside and overcommit to the qb by looking the other way and then coming back to the back in the backfield anticipating a clean look

the very next play if d drivers not impeded coming out of his break thats a td...as it is the balls a bit out in front due to the contact and tipped out of play by driver...but the timing and velocity on that ball is spot on

b/t who the hell watches these game videos and says that flynn does not have enough arm??? that stuff makes no sense to me...kids got a solid not great but solid arm

at the 4:15 mark it looks to me like the pack is trying to run a rub route with nelson crossing underneath and that looks like pi or illegal contact to me at least...but i also see what you're saying regarding the 5 man becoming a 6 man front with the late lb blitzing just presnap but pretty much showing it from the jump...that said i have to give flynn credit for feeling the backside pressure and starting to flow to his right to give himself time to go to nelson if nelson comes clean...if he doesn't step to his right he's sacked no question on that play

rub routes...where have you been in miamis offense...i miss you rub routes...half of what the pats do with welker envolves some sort of rub...god i hope philbin brings this o with him...please let it be true...of course you can't run this o without a qb who makes quick decisions and gets the ball out of hand...the oline just can't hold up in pass pro when you send out this many targets without a quick decision maker and trigger puller

i disagree with you on the 9:58 play being a bad one really...he's got pressure pretty much on both sides he steps up to what he thinks is clean ground and the defender is flowing sideways from his right down the los at him...i just don't think he ever sees that guy or expects that guy there on that play...i can't really knock that given the way the defense was dropping off the ball and he had a window to gain yards with his legs or throw into if its clean there...but to each his own

on the play at the 10:48 mark i kinda wondered if driver fell down and was gonna flow inside to that ball had he still been on his feet...but looking at that again it seems doubtful given the route i see nelson running...likely drivers sitting down and i would agree he got away with one there if thats the case...

but bottom line is this was only his second start...i didn't see anything i can say is a part of him as a player as a negative off of only 2 starts...so saying he's a tony romo who has earned his reputation as a guy that makes bad decisions with his play over time seems to me at this stage premature...

and given what we have in house at the position sign me up for more than willing to take a chance on this kid in an offense he's comfortable with

 

[DevineU]

I believe 3 of the 6 TDs were screen plays. 1 to ryan grant, and 1 to jordy nelson I remember specifically. I remember watching that game and he made some good decisions, but his arm is barely stronger than Pennington's.

Which explains how he put the 40 yard fade RIGHT on the money to James Jones down the sideline in stride