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Stop mentioning the Flynn 6 TD game!!!

illscriptures said:
If you look at the highlights for the Packers vs Lions game where Matt Flynn scored 6 touchdowns, you will notice that every touchdown was scored because of yards created after the catch, this means that Green Bay's skill position players are very good... and that does not mean that Matt Flynn deserves a huge payday. The dolphins need to address the QB position but Matt Moore should be the leading candidate to start camp as the starter and we should look to draft a QB and bring in a free agent to compete in camp and during the season, in case of injuries, but not one that would want us to destroy most of our cap space before he has even truly showed us anything.
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I'm not saying Matt Flynn didn't do good things in those games, he did. I'm just saying there's a bad decision percentage in those games that could stick with him in his career. There's a reason he's got a 3.8% interception rate and 4.0% turnover rate so far in his young career. I would expect that to never dip significantly below 3%.

To toss out an example, Tom Brady's turnover rate is at 2.5% for his career, and I don't expect Flynn's to get there over the long haul. It's at 4.0% and I wouldn't be surprised if it settles out at 3.0 to 3.5%.
 
ckparrothead said:
I'm not saying Matt Flynn didn't do good things in those games, he did. I'm just saying there's a bad decision percentage in those games that could stick with him in his career. There's a reason he's got a 3.8% interception rate and 4.0% turnover rate so far in his young career. I would expect that to never dip significantly below 3%.

To toss out an example, Tom Brady's turnover rate is at 2.5% for his career, and I don't expect Flynn's to get there over the long haul. It's at 4.0% and I wouldn't be surprised if it settles out at 3.0 to 3.5%.
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In all fairness, we're working with a tremendously small sample size. Which is precisely why I'm not going to get hyped over him, either.
 
registeredguy said:
In all fairness, we're working with a tremendously small sample size. Which is precisely why I'm not going to get hyped over him, either.
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Agreed. It is ridiculous to examine him on two starts. In terms of Flynn, one must determine whether they like him based on his technique and fundamentals and see if he passes the eyeball test.

Why wouldn't Flynn be able to improve on those numbers with more experience? Maybe he gets worse. Point is the sample size is way too small.

I like Flynn ultimately. However, I will not point to his stats as to why.
 
ckparrothead said:
I'm not saying Matt Flynn didn't do good things in those games, he did. I'm just saying there's a bad decision percentage in those games that could stick with him in his career. There's a reason he's got a 3.8% interception rate and 4.0% turnover rate so far in his young career. I would expect that to never dip significantly below 3%.

To toss out an example, Tom Brady's turnover rate is at 2.5% for his career, and I don't expect Flynn's to get there over the long haul. It's at 4.0% and I wouldn't be surprised if it settles out at 3.0 to 3.5%.
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of all the examples you could have used you pluck the one who if he wins sunday is arguably the best qb of all time...definitely one of the best win or loss sunday

thats tough sledding for matt flynn as a comparison...
 
hooshoops said:
of all the examples you could have used you pluck the one who if he wins sunday is arguably the best qb of all time...definitely one of the best win or loss sunday

thats tough sledding for matt flynn as a comparison...
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It's just an example. Should I have used Joe Flacco's 2.6% turnover rate instead? It's not necessarily a stat that singly determines a QB's worth. Some QBs are less turnover prone than others. I'm just saying that right now Flynn's got a 4.0% turnover rate which I don't find to be coincidental based on his decision making, and when that rate settles in at where it's going to be for his career it wouldn't surprise me if it's more in the 3.5% area than the 2.5% area.

Mark Sanchez - 3.9%
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 3.9%
Eli Manning - 3.7%
Jay Cutler - 3.6%
Josh Freeman - 3.6%
Kurt Warner - 3.5%
Carson Palmer - 3.4%
Alex Smith - 3.3%
Tony Romo - 3.2%
Ben Roethlisberger - 3.2%
Matt Stafford - 3.2%
Matt Hasselbeck - 3.1%
Kyle Orton - 3.1%
Phil Rivers - 3.0%
Michael Vick - 3.0%
Drew Brees - 2.9%
Peyton Manning - 2.8%
Sam Bradford - 2.8%
Matt Schaub - 2.8%
Matt Cassel - 2.7%
Joe Flacco - 2.6%
David Garrard - 2.6%
Jason Campbell - 2.6%
Donovan McNabb - 2.5%
Tom Brady - 2.5%
Matt Ryan - 2.4%
Aaron Rodgers - 1.9%
 
ckparrothead said:
It's just an example. Should I have used Joe Flacco's 2.6% turnover rate instead? It's not necessarily a stat that singly determines a QB's worth. Some QBs are less turnover prone than others. I'm just saying that right now Flynn's got a 4.0% turnover rate which I don't find to be coincidental based on his decision making, and when that rate settles in at where it's going to be for his career it wouldn't surprise me if it's more in the 3.5% area than the 2.5% area.
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What are you even basing that off of? Again, you get this from two games? lol

And where are you getting your stats from? At the start of last season Brady's career TO% was 3.3, Rodgers had a 2.85 TO%, Flacco had a 3.9 TO%, Ryan had a 3.1 TO%...In one season Brady was able to drop his TO% nearly 1% for his entire career? Bullsheet.

Or were you talking about Flynn's TO% and the rest of the QB's INT%? If so that's very misleading.
 
ckparrothead said:
It's just an example. Should I have used Joe Flacco's 2.6% turnover rate instead? It's not necessarily a stat that singly determines a QB's worth. Some QBs are less turnover prone than others. I'm just saying that right now Flynn's got a 4.0% turnover rate which I don't find to be coincidental based on his decision making, and when that rate settles in at where it's going to be for his career it wouldn't surprise me if it's more in the 3.5% area than the 2.5% area.

Mark Sanchez - 3.9%
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 3.9%
Eli Manning - 3.7%
Jay Cutler - 3.6%
Josh Freeman - 3.6%
Kurt Warner - 3.5%
Carson Palmer - 3.4%
Alex Smith - 3.3%
Tony Romo - 3.2%
Ben Roethlisberger - 3.2%
Matt Stafford - 3.2%
Matt Hasselbeck - 3.1%
Kyle Orton - 3.1%
Phil Rivers - 3.0%
Michael Vick - 3.0%
Drew Brees - 2.9%
Peyton Manning - 2.8%
Sam Bradford - 2.8%
Matt Schaub - 2.8%
Matt Cassel - 2.7%
Joe Flacco - 2.6%
David Garrard - 2.6%
Jason Campbell - 2.6%
Donovan McNabb - 2.5%
Tom Brady - 2.5%
Matt Ryan - 2.4%
Aaron Rodgers - 1.9%
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you got matt moore's #???
 
After watching more film on Matt Flynn I'm starting to believe he and Matt Moore are the same guys... the arm strenght is about the same which I believe we need a strong arm QB. Him being in Philbins system could be the only thing that helps him.
 
hooshoops said:
"how bout a little of both ice man...i'm pretty hungry"
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If you take all of Moore's dropbacks (which includes rushes and sacks) add them up and divide them by all of his INT's + fumbles then multiply that by 100 you get a TO% of 5.6.
 
hooshoops said:
you got matt moore's #???
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Matt Moore's is 4.0%...so virtually the same as Matt Flynn's. But Matt Flynn has had only a fraction of the reps that Moore has had, so Flynn's number is not as statistically significant and should be more prone to fluctuation.
 
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