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Suggestion - Quit the Philbin bashing

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It seems like every fifth poster on Finheaven is now enjoying the opportunity to bash former Head Coach, Joe Philbin. I can't help but think that nothing constructive is derived from this. It lacks class. Joe is now dismissed as a dumb cretin. I think that this is off base and while he was a solid #2 guy at Green Bay and clearly played a key part of Aaron Rodgers development, he lacked the motivational skills to inspire others and become a strong and successful Head Coach in the NFL.
OK, Joe tried hard but ultimately didn't succeed. Everybody now claims that they knew from the outset that they knew he would fail. I don't know how people can claim that with certainty when they probably never even met the guy. Hindsight is 20 - 20 vision. Some people have the ability to succeed at the highest level and some people don't. But Joe probably tried his hardest. He served the Dolphins.
The learning from the Philbin era is that you can have a high character guy who succeeded in every coaching role he had over a long career and was the right hand guy in winning a Super Bowl, but without the natural ability to motivate and inspire players, he will struggle.
Unfortunately, 4 years were invested and lost in the process. Nothing can bring back those 4 years - they are gone. Continuing to bash a good man who failed is unproductive. Move on.
We now have a new coach and we move forward with a sense of optimism. Let us hope that Adam Gase has the skills to succeed at the highest level. He wasn't my preferred choice but we need to get behind him 100%. He appears smart, honest and knowledgable. I call on all FH members to unite behind Adam and his staff and players.
 
I moved on from Philbin week 6. The comparisons of Gase and Joe are as ridiculous as Stephen Ross having any iota of football instinct in his brain.
 
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Seriously though, since our OC is just gonna be doing powerpoints for Gase , maybe we can bring Joe back as the OC.

Steve Ross with that GM school of management, it could work.
 
Can't Ross hire someone who isn't follically challenged?
 

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A head coach needs leaders in the locker room to back him up, to make the team believe in his philosophy so that everyone is pulling in the same direction. If it is true that he never believed in Tannehill, and he never brought in another QB to run this team, he never had a chance at success. Who were Philbins guys in the locker room? Don't place the blame entirely on him, place a lot of the blame on the guys running this team that didn't recognize, and then fix this situation before the 2015 season. Philbins was a failure on many levels.
 
spiketex said:
It seems like every fifth poster on Finheaven is now enjoying the opportunity to bash former Head Coach, Joe Philbin. I can't help but think that nothing constructive is derived from this. It lacks class. Joe is now dismissed as a dumb cretin. I think that this is off base and while he was a solid #2 guy at Green Bay and clearly played a key part of Aaron Rodgers development, he lacked the motivational skills to inspire others and become a strong and successful Head Coach in the NFL.
OK, Joe tried hard but ultimately didn't succeed. Everybody now claims that they knew from the outset that they knew he would fail. I don't know how people can claim that with certainty when they probably never even met the guy. Hindsight is 20 - 20 vision. Some people have the ability to succeed at the highest level and some people don't. But Joe probably tried his hardest. He served the Dolphins.
The learning from the Philbin era is that you can have a high character guy who succeeded in every coaching role he had over a long career and was the right hand guy in winning a Super Bowl, but without the natural ability to motivate and inspire players, he will struggle.
Unfortunately, 4 years were invested and lost in the process. Nothing can bring back those 4 years - they are gone. Continuing to bash a good man who failed is unproductive. Move on.
We now have a new coach and we move forward with a sense of optimism. Let us hope that Adam Gase has the skills to succeed at the highest level. He wasn't my preferred choice but we need to get behind him 100%. He appears smart, honest and knowledgable. I call on all FH members to unite behind Adam and his staff and players.
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First of all, I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO BE A FAILURE 3 DAYS AFTER HE WAS INTERVIEWED. Read my posts from 1/12, particularly one called "One Man's Crusade Against The Hiring Of Joe Philbin". So When you mention 20-20 hindsight, that will no include this Dolphin fan. Secondly, you don't defend someone who is CONVICTED of raping 2 under aged girls like he did his son and call him HIGH CHARACTER. Thirdly, he was NEVER a part of Aaron Rodgers development, Mike McCarthy and Tom Clements were both responsible for that. He sold that bill of goods to Stephen Ross and the local media, conning his way to this HC job. So yes I am glad that dirt bag is gone. Unfortunately it will take this franchise another full season to get rid of the stench he left here.
 
spiketex said:
It seems like every fifth poster on Finheaven is now enjoying the opportunity to bash former Head Coach, Joe Philbin. I can't help but think that nothing constructive is derived from this. It lacks class. Joe is now dismissed as a dumb cretin. I think that this is off base and while he was a solid #2 guy at Green Bay and clearly played a key part of Aaron Rodgers development, he lacked the motivational skills to inspire others and become a strong and successful Head Coach in the NFL.
OK, Joe tried hard but ultimately didn't succeed. Everybody now claims that they knew from the outset that they knew he would fail. I don't know how people can claim that with certainty when they probably never even met the guy. Hindsight is 20 - 20 vision. Some people have the ability to succeed at the highest level and some people don't. But Joe probably tried his hardest. He served the Dolphins.
The learning from the Philbin era is that you can have a high character guy who succeeded in every coaching role he had over a long career and was the right hand guy in winning a Super Bowl, but without the natural ability to motivate and inspire players, he will struggle.
Unfortunately, 4 years were invested and lost in the process. Nothing can bring back those 4 years - they are gone. Continuing to bash a good man who failed is unproductive. Move on.
We now have a new coach and we move forward with a sense of optimism. Let us hope that Adam Gase has the skills to succeed at the highest level. He wasn't my preferred choice but we need to get behind him 100%. He appears smart, honest and knowledgable. I call on all FH members to unite behind Adam and his staff and players.
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If we don't analyze past mistakes, we will only continue to make them in the future. I wish Stephen Ross was as interested in re-hashing the Philbin Era as we are on this board. Sadly, he committed 4 seasons for his team, 4 years of his life, to an individual who was never qualified to hold the position of head coach. He had multiple clear signs that Philbin was not up to the task...the most overt being the Incognito-Martin nonsense, the more important being the lack of player development, and the most important being the team crumbling two years in a row when the playoffs were on the line. And then there minor details which were also signs, like "go, go-go" and the removal of strong personalities from the roster.

There is no way that this franchise should have committed four seasons to this man. I hope we are still talking about Philbin during our next coaching search, because we need to avoid failures like him in the future.

We'll see about Gase, but the details being leaked from the organization regarding their assessments of Shanahan and Coughlin only make it seem as if the same errors in judgment that led to the hiring of Joe Philbin are being repeated.
 
spiketex said:
It seems like every fifth poster on Finheaven is now enjoying the opportunity to bash former Head Coach, Joe Philbin. I can't help but think that nothing constructive is derived from this. It lacks class. Joe is now dismissed as a dumb cretin. I think that this is off base and while he was a solid #2 guy at Green Bay and clearly played a key part of Aaron Rodgers development, he lacked the motivational skills to inspire others and become a strong and successful Head Coach in the NFL.
OK, Joe tried hard but ultimately didn't succeed. Everybody now claims that they knew from the outset that they knew he would fail. I don't know how people can claim that with certainty when they probably never even met the guy. Hindsight is 20 - 20 vision. Some people have the ability to succeed at the highest level and some people don't. But Joe probably tried his hardest. He served the Dolphins.
The learning from the Philbin era is that you can have a high character guy who succeeded in every coaching role he had over a long career and was the right hand guy in winning a Super Bowl, but without the natural ability to motivate and inspire players, he will struggle.
Unfortunately, 4 years were invested and lost in the process. Nothing can bring back those 4 years - they are gone. Continuing to bash a good man who failed is unproductive. Move on.
We now have a new coach and we move forward with a sense of optimism. Let us hope that Adam Gase has the skills to succeed at the highest level. He wasn't my preferred choice but we need to get behind him 100%. He appears smart, honest and knowledgable. I call on all FH members to unite behind Adam and his staff and players.
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Philbin sucks and set us back years


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Agree with the OP. Poor head coach, good coordinator, great person. Time to look forward and support Gase.
 
When you set aside some of the few talented young playmakers the team has like Vontae Davis and Rishard Matthews, because they don't fit your system, and you and your system fails miserably year after after year, you deserved to be bashed.
 
It's a gallant effort Spike.....you can tell from the responses it is going to be an uphill battle, but gallant effort none the less.

Heck, I see plenty of posts still blaming Saban, Wannstedt.....based on that standard, Joe has 10 more years of being beat up until he is off the list.
 
Philbin got rid of anybody who could influence people on his team.

When we traded Brandon Marshall and put that ****fest of a wr group on the field in 2012 with a rookie qb, i knew this guy had no chance of succeeding.
 
I never understand the people who claim Philbin was "a great person". Seemed to me he had no problem allowing other people to take the fall for his incompetence. I think he clearly knew that he was never going get another head coaching position in his life, so he held on for dear life. In addition, his lack of commitment to working with players he saw as "problems" really doesn't speak well of him. Did he attempt to understand Vontae Davis, Brandon Marshall, etc., to work with them, figure out what was behind their "issues" as he saw them, or just decide to take the easy road and get rid of them?

In addition, his denials over the Incognito-Martin debacle never rang true.
 
Well said OP. I was hoping for Shanahan, but Gase is our coach and as such I will support him until he gives me reasons not to. Philbin was clearly over his head but what is done is done. It absolutely does no good to continue to bash him. Here's to hoping our new coach will lead us out of this wasteland.
 
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