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Sunday's culprits;the Raw Truth/Where to go from here

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Well the Saints game was certainly tough to watch unfold. Its so sick sitting there with a lead, yet knowing were going to lose. From the moment Sharper scored with that INT return I had the most horrible feeling in my gut as I knew what was about to happen and Im completely incapable of stopping it. It was simply a matter of WHEN the Saints would capture the lead and how we would fail to regain it.

Although I must say I had one last glimmer of hope come back to me after we held them to that FG to keep it a 40-34 game. I thought there was a decent chance we could score with between 0-20 seconds remaining to win. Because face it, if we score with anything more than 30 seconds or so left and take a 1 point lead, you know the Saints wouldve gotten into FG range with ease.

Anyways, here is my list of people to blame in specific order and how this thing went wrong.

1) Zebras -- 3 critical calls that totally punched us in the gut and cost us the game, along with another bad call that didnt cost us as dearly, but certainly didnt help our cause. 2 of the 3 critical calls were shady and didnt go our way and one of them was nothing more than absolute ****ing bs. We will save that one for last because it leads into culprit number 2.

A) The bess fumble was pretty close to bs. The play couldve gone either way and Im not so sure that the defenders hands could be seen NOT touching the ball and jarring it loose until Bess' knee was down. Either way, Im not going to call this one utter bs because it was close and could go either way.

B) The Sharper score I feel the same way. Id like to have gotten a real good look at it. But, what can you do? Its possible he fumbled that ball before he crossed the plane, but too tough to tell. Can we get a ****ing break though? If the ref says it was a fumble live, they arent going to overturn it. ****. When that play happened, I knew we were doomed.

C) The Camarillo play didnt kill us but, it was utter bs from the standpoint that it was so SUBJECTIVE. How the **** can the official claim beyond any doubt that he KNEW Camarillo tossed that ball on purpose? He cant. **** that official. It was a bs call but, its a 5 yarder that we need to be able to overcome. Certainly wasnt a backbreaker so Im not going to base the loss on it.

D) Finally the play I felt was the most utter and complete BS ever and most certainly cost us the game.......the play right before half. First of all, Im still not certain it was even a catch. Sure he catches it but, the way they have been calling this "player has to go to the ground with possession" bs lately, you could make an argument it wasnt even a catch.

But, I wont harp on that. Here is my issue. He CLEARLY dosent score on the play. The Saints had ZERO TIMEOUTS. Why the **** cant the league put something in place where you can go ahead and assume that the Saints wont be able to spike the ball had the ****ING REF GOT THE CALL RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE????? You want to tell me they cant assume that. Fine. Then how the **** are they assuming Camarillo threw that ball out of bounds on purpose?

The thing is if the official simply makes the correct call to begin with, time runs out. Then they can go to the replay to see if he scored. If he scored, then they can award the Saints the points and put 5 seconds back on, and have them kick the extra point and then kickoff. Fine. No harm.

Which is why the ref shouldve been smart enough to go ahead and say he was short, knowing they would review it anyways and if he scores no one will get ripped, but if he didnt score, no one will get ripped either.

The score shouldve been 24-3 at the half. Period. We got so jobbed right there on that ****ing play and the difference between a 2 possession game and 3 possession going into the half was ****ing huge vs. the Saints. Bottom line......official gets that call right during live play, then the phins win.

The NFL needs to look into doing something to correct that bs and say there is like a runoff of time depending on how far the players are from the LOS when that happens, unless of course they want to call a TO to keep there from being a runoff. Of course the Saints had no timeouts left and its safe to assume the runoff would be at least 5 seconds for being that far away from the catch.

Anyways, this brings me to culprit #2.........Tony Sparano.

Yep. We have a dumb ****ing jock for a head coach. This is 2 games now this moron has cost us. Is he a good coach from a motivator standpoint? Sure. But, the guy simply cannot manage games.

What the **** was that calling a timeout there? Be glad were going in up 18. And thats assuming they can execute that FG under such pressure to get it off with just 5 seconds left and the clock starting when the ball is ready for play. Just a dumb move by a stupid individual.

As far as Im concerned both he and Henning should be fired just based on that Colts game. That run call on 3rd and 6 with the score tied, knowing you have to either get a FG with no time left or a TD with little time left to win the game was one of the stupidest calls of all time.

Not only that, Chad Pennington had already completed 3 3rd and mediums on that drive to keep it going. I had just said to a friend that this is what Pennington used to do to us with the Jets. Close or tied game he would kill us on critical 3rd and mediums several times within a late 4th qtr drive to either win or seal a win.

On top of that the Colts D line was completely gassed and there was no way they were going to get pressure. No way they were going to stop us.

Only way we dont get that first down by passing the ball was if he threw it to Ted Ginn and he dropped it. Stupid call.

But, believe it or not that might not have been as stupid as calling that timeout on Sunday.

Reality is folks, you have to be a true ****ing moron to make those 2 mistakes already in the season. Head coach is not a position for dumb jocks.

Let him coach the OL. We need a smart man to manage these games for us. We could be 4-2 with wins over the Colts and Saints. Wow.

Culprit #3.....Ted Ginn Jr.

He ****ing blows. Cut him. **** him. A couple weeks back you guys wouldve traded him for anything. He makes one big play and all of the sudden you didnt want Cribbs for him. Get real. Cribbs is a much better returner and even though he is still developing as a receiver, he cant be worse than Ginn. Catch a ****ing ball dude. Thats 2 games that moron has cost us as well. That Sharper play that was a backbreaker was because Ginn cant ****ing catch.

Culprits 4 and 5........Crowder and Porter.

Will these guys ever shut the **** up? I swear they should play for the Jets the way they talk and NEVER back it up. Porter played great for half a season last year. So what. When we were winning down the stretch, he went ghost like Jason Taylor in the 4th qtr of a Jets game. We shouldve traded that bum for a 3rd rounder if we couldve gotten it. Probably couldve gotten a 2nd. Shut the **** up and make a play would ya please?

And Crowder. Mike Bell gave him some balls to sniff. Crowder sounded jealous when he made that statement. Maybe he wants to sniff Peezy's nuts. **** Crowder. He ****ing blows. Mike Bell made him look like a stripper trying to pick up Pac Man's money on that one play. Did you guys see him get destroyed?

Culprit #6 Bill Parcells.

Pat White blows. Tell Parcells that Rutgers, Marshall, and East Carolina arent on our schedule. If they were, Pat White might be useful. Thats all.

Culprit #7 Ronnie Brown.......:lol: Just joking. Had to lighten it up a little. Actually Im just feeding on the perception that somehow I hate Ronnie. I dont. Good player. He didnt do much Sunday, but he certainly didnt beat us like those guys did.

I will say this though. For those of you who watch the games and still want to try and tell me Ricky isnt every bit as good as the Ricky that rushed for 18 hun a few years ago.......Get real. That dude is a ****ing animal. 2nd best RB in the league behing Peterson who is on another level. Did you see that speed? Ronnie dosent have that gear folks. And Ricky is every bit as powerful. FEED RICKY. Feed the BEAST. That dude should be getting 20 carries a game in standard formations and let Ronnie get his stuff out of the Wildcat. Ricky needs to be featured in a big way. He is a ****ing weapon. Give RICKY THE ROCK. ****, we probably win that game sunday if we just give Ricky the ball 15 times in the 2nd half.

I will end this post with a what to do now. Ya know what. We were 2-4 last year. If we can get to 4-4 just like last year we will be 4-0 in the division and facing some much easier games down the stretch.

Just like I said 3 weeks ago when we were 0-3.
http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/if-we-can-turn-it-around-it-all-starts-today-258537.html

The plan is still the same. Win the next 2 and its not over folks. The Saints game was interconference too. So if San Diego stays out of our way, we can still win wildcard tiebreaks. But, if we go 5-1 or 6-0 in the division, we may not need the wildcard. I know the Pats are tough, but we can beat them. ****, we can beat anybody.

Look at it this way.....Beat the Jets. Get to 3-4. Then we will talk. We have wins vs. Tenn, Jacks, Tampa, Carolina, and Buffalo in the bag. Houston will be a critical tough game. They have a good TE so we know we wont stop them.(Crowder, Wilson, Bell all ****ing blow) But, we could score on them. Beatable team. Get to 3-4 and win those 5 gimmie games. Thats 8 wins. Then we can try and negotiate 3 wins out of Houston, Pittsburgh, and the two NE games.

ITS NOT OVER!!!!
 
Bit too early IMO to call Sparano a dumb jock. He made some mistakes but he'll learn from them. I think the coach that took us from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season probably deserves more of a chance than you're giving him.

But I agree with you it's not over. A win against the Jets sets up a huge game vs. the Pats. We get to 4-4 and it's like a brand new season. And Ricky is a beast.
 
Good analysis but when you attacked everyone like that I got scared for my life.
 
Bit too early IMO to call Sparano a dumb jock. He made some mistakes but he'll learn from them. I think the coach that took us from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season probably deserves more of a chance than you're giving him.

But I agree with you it's not over. A win against the Jets sets up a huge game vs. the Pats. We get to 4-4 and it's like a brand new season. And Ricky is a beast.

Thanks for reading my post.

And hey, Sparano obviously does some things right. I just feel like his game management skills blow and Im not just basing it on that one call of the timeout. He could be Mike Tice. I want a thinking man managing the game.
 
sparano is a moron? tsk calm down buddy. Im pretty sure he had a good reason why he called a timeout. Perhaps he felt the special teams werent ready to defend a trick play? remember the two special teams run by the jets? yea im sure he was trying to avoid that from happening again.
 
Thanks for reading my post.

And hey, Sparano obviously does some things right. I just feel like his game management skills blow and Im not just basing it on that one call of the timeout. He could be Mike Tice. I want a thinking man managing the game.

Ahhh, so you mean you want Cam Cameron managing the game.
 
sparano is a moron? tsk calm down buddy. Im pretty sure he had a good reason why he called a timeout. Perhaps he felt the special teams werent ready to defend a trick play? remember the two special teams run by the jets? yea im sure he was trying to avoid that from happening again.

Sparano even admitted it was a huge mistake to call that timeout. Remember, the clock is going to start running as soon as that ball is set and the official blows the whistle. The Saints arent going to have time to get fancy. If they call something crazy there, not much of a chance they execute it. Get real.

And Im not suggesting that one mistake makes the man a moron. But, when you compound it with the decision to let Hennings 3rd and 6 run call in the given situation of that Colts game stand, it begs the question.......Can Sparano manage a game well enough to be a championship caliber head coach in this league? Thats all.
 
Funny you call Porter a terrible player. I mean the guy is coming off a 16.5 sack season, and just happens to be injured this year. God forbid. Channing Crowder had 113 tackles last year, leading the team I believe. He is one of our best run stuffers, but no, we should totally cut him because you said to.

Same can be said for guys like Ginn, who have led the team in receiving yards and receptions the last two years. One bad game and apparently he is the worst player ever.

Sparano is a great coach, he even admitted the timeout was a mistake. If you honestly believe Sparano was bad for this team, you don't even deserve to watch the Dolphins and to speak about them. If you want to see bad coaching, watch Cameron and get back to me.

Henning has an offense averaging in the top 10 in total offense in the NFL and #3 in rushing offense. He has executed the gameplans perfectly, how exactly has he been horrible.

You seem to love mentioning specific incident as reasons why guys are horrible, which that in itself is laughable btw.

And the refs didn't do ****, It seems the typical fan thing to do is blame the refs, when in fact they have done a great job calling games this year. Your bias' is obviously out of control on that issue.

Overall, you really don't back up anything you say. You think you do, but its all filled with opinion, and nothing factual in anything you said. And most of the opinionated statements are horrible imo. Just stating an opinion,

but apparently I have noticed your irrational opinion seems to fit with this irrational forum.
 
Ahhh, so you mean you want Cam Cameron managing the game.

:lol: Hell no. Lets not get carried away.

But, there are some very smart guys who coached or are currently coaching that do a great job with game management situations and will RARELY make a decision that can cost your team a game.

Brian Billick. Bill Bellicheat. Shanahan. Bill Parcells.(Hey he dosent have a coaching job does he. What is he doing these days? Maybe we can convince him to get off his fat *** and do some real work instead of taking a huge salary to be wherever he chooses whenever he chooses while delegating work to people inferior to him in positions that he does well at).

There are plenty of others.
 
WOW. Thats all I have to say about that post WV.... nah, just kidding man. Seriously, that was the most well thought-out rant I think I've ever seen. Usually when that kind of emotion is obvious in a post , the OP is just having a knee-jerk reaction and venting. You actually had some good analysis and solid objectivity to combine with the ranting. Good stuff man. Hard to go against most (if not all) of what you said.

The one thing I wish you had in your post was a little love for Henne. You talked about us still having a shot to keep this season alive. I admit it, when we were 0-3 I was all but sure the season was lost. Henne is really one of the only things that is making me think this team might seriously have a shot. He played some awesome football despite the s****y stat line (CK makes a great arguement in another thread about how Henne's game against NO could be considered his best as a Dolphin). Chad Henne has made me a believer and I really think if he continues to mature and grow at the rate he is showing, Miami has a bright future with Henne under center. Hopefully for the next decade we can no longer worry about starting threads like "John Beck blows" or "Fiedler sucks" or "**insert rookie QB name here** isn't worth a bag of crap" etc etc.
 
:lol: Hell no. Lets not get carried away.

But, there are some very smart guys who coached or are currently coaching that do a great job with game management situations and will RARELY make a decision that can cost your team a game.

Brian Billick. Bill Bellicheat. Shanahan. Bill Parcells.(Hey he dosent have a coaching job does he. What is he doing these days? Maybe we can convince him to get off his fat *** and do some real work instead of taking a huge salary to be wherever he chooses whenever he chooses while delegating work to people inferior to him in positions that he does well at).

There are plenty of others.

Well, you could be right in the sense that Sparano was exactly what the team needed at the time. Going forward, who knows, maybe you need less of a "blue-collar man's man" and more of a "thinking coach," as you put it. But again, it will be a while (at least another year or two) before anyone can make that determination.
 
The biggest thing that was left out is whoever is responsible for covering the TE's in the middle of the field. I've seen no signs this team can stop a top TE as beating our LB's and safties is like taking candy from a baby, well maybe easier. This staff better come up with a better answer than one of our run supporting safties doing it or Brady, Watson and Kevin Fauly are going to make a laughing stcok out of those safties. I think the safety play has been the biggest issue this year. 4 losses all against teams with top pass catching TE's go figure.
 
Sparano even admitted it was a huge mistake to call that timeout. Remember, the clock is going to start running as soon as that ball is set and the official blows the whistle. The Saints arent going to have time to get fancy. If they call something crazy there, not much of a chance they execute it. Get real.

And Im not suggesting that one mistake makes the man a moron. But, when you compound it with the decision to let Hennings 3rd and 6 run call in the given situation of that Colts game stand, it begs the question.......Can Sparano manage a game well enough to be a championship caliber head coach in this league? Thats all.
Correct me if im wrong but from what I remember the clock didnt run when the ball was set. I remember asking this on the chat.. how come the clock wasnt running when the saints lost the challenge.

does anyone here have a copy of the game? i would appreciate it if you could check if the clock indeed run or not.
 
Funny you call Porter a terrible player. I mean the guy is coming off a 16.5 sack season, and just happens to be injured this year. God forbid. Channing Crowder had 113 tackles last year, leading the team I believe. He is one of our best run stuffers, but no, we should totally cut him because you said to.

Same can be said for guys like Ginn, who have led the team in receiving yards and receptions the last two years. One bad game and apparently he is the worst player ever.

Sparano is a great coach, he even admitted the timeout was a mistake. If you honestly believe Sparano was bad for this team, you don't even deserve to watch the Dolphins and to speak about them. If you want to see bad coaching, watch Cameron and get back to me.

Henning has an offense averaging in the top 10 in total offense in the NFL and #3 in rushing offense. He has executed the gameplans perfectly, how exactly has he been horrible.

You seem to love mentioning specific incident as reasons why guys are horrible, which that in itself is laughable btw.

And the refs didn't do ****, It seems the typical fan thing to do is blame the refs, when in fact they have done a great job calling games this year. Your bias' is obviously out of control on that issue.

Overall, you really don't back up anything you say. You think you do, but its all filled with opinion, and nothing factual in anything you said. And most of the opinionated statements are horrible imo. Just stating an opinion,

but apparently I have noticed your irrational opinion seems to fit with this irrational forum.


Porter had one nice statistical year. And like I said, how many of those 16.5 sacks did he have down the stretch when we were winning? If Porter is injured, why is he on the field? Sounds like an excuse to me. If he is not injured enough to stay off the field, then he needs to make plays. Otherwise, put in a player who isnt injured and can do the job. How much money is Porter making? And are you suggesting it wouldnt have been wise to trade him during last offseason for a 2nd round pick?

Crowder is a stat whore. So he makes some tackles. He should. He is playing the position in which the defense is designed to get a lot of tackles from. Ferguson is one of the most underrated and best players in the league on the interior of the DL. If you watch the games, you can see Crowder consisitantly take poor pursuit angles and fail to make any real impact plays. Also, you will often see him get manhandled like Mike Bell did to him on that one run.

Crowder's ability to drop back into pass coverage is also very sub-par. At his position he is one of the worst, if not the worst in the league at this and its a huge reason that TEs make seasons in games vs. us.

Do you not notice the amount of talking that Porter and Crowder do leading into and during games? They talk quite a big game. The thing is if youre going to talk that much, you better damn sure be able to bring it on the field. Those 2 players open themselves up to the criticism. So yea, I wouldnt mind if we saw the last of both of them after the season. Hell, I didnt want to resign Crowder anyway and I sure as hell wanted to trade Porter. The talk a big game, get paid for a big game, but I dont see them bring a big game often enough to warrant either.

Ginn ---- you said ONE bad game........:lol: One as in SINGULAR!!:crazy: I dont even need to comment on this really. If you think Ginn is good just because he lead the team in receptions and yards a couple of times, well, I guess you can.

By no means do I want Cam the boob back. But, I dont see how I can be pleased with Sparano right now given the fact that he has made a couple of crucial errors that most likely prevented us from winning 2 games out of only 6 that have been played so far this season.

I never said he was a horrible coach, and Im not saying I dislike him at all, Im just not too sure he has what it takes just yet from a game management standpoint. Id feel much more comfortable if Bill would get off his *** and coach the team already.

Henning may be calling plays for a team that is 3rd in rushing and in the top 10 in scoring, but that dosent mean he is the reason. I feel like the personel has more to do with that. Having a great run blocking OL and two of the best RBs in the league will do that for you.

I respect Hennings football mind and credentials, but I have a problem with his approach in certain circumstances. But, hey thats me. You dont have to agree with me and you can say hell Henning gets paid from an NFL team and Ive never coached football in my life. Think whatever you want.

I just know in a game I havent punted in, Im tied with 4 minutes remaining, my QB has completed 3 3rd and mediums on the current drive, Im at the 40 yard line, my QB is Pennington who has a history of completing such passes, I KNOW the Colts will score if I give them the ball with anything more than 1 minute left, and the Colts DL is completely gassed........Im ****ing calling a pass play. If you want to call a run....call it. Im passing it based on those FACTS. Not only am I passing it, but Im completing it, picking up a 1st down, and Im finishing the drive for a TD with around 20 seconds or so left in the game. Thats all.

As far as the refs go, hey if you think we didnt get totally screwed by bad calls in that game, then we watched a different game. And dont generalize and think Im one of those typical fans that whine about the refs every game....I dont. This game in particular was beyond that. Its quite typical for me to say calls that are close that dont go our way are just things a good team will overcome. This was different though. Way too many close calls that didnt go our way, and two that were utter bs.
 
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