Super Bowl Winning Coaches AND their QB's - should help settle the argument

[walt]

I showed in another thread how poorly Super Bowl winning coaches have done when they've gone to another team. Bill Parcells and Mike Holmgren took their next teams to the Super Bowl, so I would say these guys had reasonable success. The others were failures in their next job. The following lists the Super Bowl winning coaches, along with the QB they had when they had won the Super Bowl, followed by the primary QB they had in their next job.

The Successes:

Bill Parcells - Phil Simms, Drew Bledsoe
Mike Holmgren - Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck


The Failures

Hank Stram - Len Dawson, Bobby Scott
Tom Flores - Jim Plunkett, Rick Mirer
Mike Ditka - Jim McMahon, Billy Joe Tolliver
George Seifert - Steve Young, Steve Beurlein
Jimmy Johnson - Troy Aikman, Dan Marino (end of his career)
Dick Vermeil - Kurt Warner, Trent Green
Mike Shanahan - John Elway, Rex Grossman

Incomplete (died after 1 year):

Vince Lombardi - Bart Starr, Sonny Jurgenson
Don McCafferty - Johnny Unitas, Greg Landry/Bill Munson

Notice a pattern? Every single Super Bowl winner had a marquee QB. The two who got there again did so with Pro Bowl QB's. The 7 who failed had a marquee QB the first time around, but did not have a good QB the second time around (Marino is not an exception, because his play had deteriorated by that point).

If we look at the coaches who lost a Super Bowl and then went to another team, the pattern is the same. Only those who had a marquee QB the second time had success - Shula with Griese and Marino, and Vermeil with Warner.

So, does this help settle whether the coach or QB is more important?

 

[Jersey DolFan]

I showed in another thread how poorly Super Bowl winning coaches have done when they've gone to another team. Bill Parcells and Mike Holmgren took their next teams to the Super Bowl, so I would say these guys had reasonable success. The others were failures in their next job. The following lists the Super Bowl winning coaches, along with the QB they had when they had won the Super Bowl, followed by the primary QB they had in their next job.

The Successes:

Bill Parcells - Phil Simms, Drew Bledsoe
Mike Holmgren - Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck


The Failures

Hank Stram - Len Dawson, Bobby Scott
Tom Flores - Jim Plunkett, Rick Mirer
Mike Ditka - Jim McMahon, Billy Joe Tolliver
George Seifert - Steve Young, Steve Beurlein
Jimmy Johnson - Troy Aikman, Dan Marino (end of his career)
Dick Vermeil - Kurt Warner, Trent Green
Mike Shanahan - John Elway, Rex Grossman

Incomplete (died after 1 year):

Vince Lombardi - Bart Starr, Sonny Jurgenson
Don McCafferty - Johnny Unitas, Greg Landry/Bill Munson

Notice a pattern? Every single Super Bowl winner had a marquee QB. The two who got there again did so with Pro Bowl QB's. The 7 who failed had a marquee QB the first time around, but did not have a good QB the second time around (Marino is not an exception, because his play had deteriorated by that point).

If we look at the coaches who lost a Super Bowl and then went to another team, the pattern is the same. Only those who had a marquee QB the second time had success - Shula with Griese and Marino, and Vermeil with Warner.

So, does this help settle whether the coach or QB is more important?

damn your logic! "we need a big name coach to sell tickets! otherwise ross can deal with more empty seats! take that billionaire ha!"