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**Super Thread** Clowney/Tunsil Trade Rumor (merged too many times)

SCOTTY said:
I do not believe. This is pure conjecture. Rich people do not stay rich by giving thier money away. Let's go sit down with Ross and ask him if he doesn't financially care about the Dolphins day to day. Ever seen an owners meeting? Where they fight to keep preseason yes preseason games for concession revenue. I've seen it.
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You understand that the largest cost an owner of any professional sports team has is player salaries. An owner makes more of a profit (or less of a loss) by not paying players, rather than selling more tickets as a result of bringing in a high cost player.

The Dolphins are a status item to Ross who has built around ten percent of the skyscrapers you see in the NYC skyline. I can guarantee you that he is not instructing Grier to acquire or not acquire Clowney based on projected ticket sales.
 
NJ Dolphan said:
You understand that the largest cost an owner of any professional sports team has is player salaries. An owner makes more of a profit (or less of a loss) by not paying players, rather than selling more tickets as a result of bringing in a high cost player.

The Dolphins are a status item to Ross who has built around ten percent of the skyscrapers you see in the NYC skyline. I can guarantee you that he is not instructing Grier to acquire or not acquire Clowney based on projected ticket sales.
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Hmmm. Okay. Again that's total conjecture. You are guaranteeing a billionaire does not care about or has input on one of his billion dollar business.
Also you are trying to tell me you think a teams biggest yearly expense is the 53 NFL salaries? Honestly you haven't stated one single fact yet.
 
SCOTTY said:
Hmmm. Okay. Again that's total conjecture. You are guaranteeing a billionaire does not care about or has input on one of his billion dollar business.
Also you are trying to tell me you think a teams biggest yearly expense is the 53 NFL salaries? Honestly you haven't stated one single fact yet.
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We're both engaging in conjecture as I haven't seen a single "fact" from you either. The difference is my conjecture is more logical and empirically based than the idea that an 80 year old man who is worth around $8 billion is really counting on the extra ticket and jersey sales that come with trading for a $20 million a year defensive lineman to make him that much richer.

Trading for Clowney might be a good or bad idea for the team, and discussing that is interesting. Claiming that Ross will make the final decision based on how many tickets and jerseys the team will sell is not plausible.
 
It appears at this point the deal is in Jadeveon’s hands. Seems like Miami and Houston might already have an agreement on terms.

I’m guessing they might have to settle for our 3rd round pick and possibly a player. They aren’t going to tag him again next year so they are probabaly looking at a late 3rd in 2021 as a comp pick. Instead the lure of getting a potentially really early 3rd round pick a year earlier has substantially more value.

Miami has the most leverage.
 
Dynastybuilder said:
I live in Canada, so I've attended exactly 1 Dolphins game in my life. Week 17 1994. I've been to a few other stadiums and seen other teams, but i've been a Dolphins fan for 40 years. Now that I live on the east coast and most road games are a little closer, I may attend more of those. Beforehand, I was a 3 hours away from a game in Seattle.

However, I was a season's ticket holder for the Vancouver Canucks. Even though they played in the finals some of my best memories come from watching the young kids play 10 years earlier. You're selling hope, not stats.
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I'm on the east coast too.:ffic:
I just noticed your tag says Moncton...I'm just outside of Halifax.
 
NJ Dolphan said:
We're both engaging in conjecture as I haven't seen a single "fact" from you either. The difference is my conjecture is more logical and empirically based than the idea that an 80 year old man who is worth around $8 billion is really counting on the extra ticket and jersey sales that come with trading for a $20 million a year defensive lineman to make him that much richer.

Trading for Clowney might be a good or bad idea for the team, and discussing that is interesting. Claiming that Ross will make the final decision based on how many tickets and jerseys the team will sell is not plausible.
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Your conjecture is not logical. Believing Ross won't make a move on Clowney based on business only is false- I gave Suh as an example he would. Butts in seats is the name of the game to ownership. Being a rev share league that is their only extra individual income. I've seen owner fight tooth and nail for that extra income. Also you can go back and look at cba negotiations. Why is the total number of games the sticking point?? I've been stating only facts. All posts I've seen are nothing more than a non belief that Ross doesn't have an interest and/or Input in a decision of this magnitude. If you know anything about Ross you have to understand that's not true at all.
 
John McClain of the Houston Chronicle speaks on Jadeveon Clowney, Kenny Stills and L . Tunsil. It is very interesting. But you have to listen to him talk about the Texans, The info about Miami is sprinkled through out the whole video.

Basically He says he thinks they have a deal worked out for a LT, he does not think they will trade for a receiver. He does not think the Texans want Kenny Stills he says Stills for JD is not a fair trade. He says Stills is a worse version of Will Fuller, plus he says Stills is very outspoken.

He wish's they could get Tunsil from Miami.

He says JD is not a premier pass rusher, but he is great against the run, he's a great player but his is not a premier pass rusher, he's never had ten sacks, in his opinion.

 
Enchanter64 said:
I hope we pass on him, he's overrated and he doesn't really want play for us.
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Well, according to a report on youtube early this morning (8-27) , the finz met with clowney and he is "reporting"
that grier and flores gave him a very good pitch and is now is acceptable going to the dolphins. Flores supposedly sold him on points of they have a great young nucleus of young defensive players and he feels they will help us be competative this season!!

Reported they have the pics next year there confident with the CURRENT qb situation and next years draft and f/a is going to bring the rest of the personel to make them legit superbowl contenders. More about they never considered this team to be a long rebuild but a short retool.

Don't shoot the messenger. Just passing along more stuff to read. It's why we are all here, remember?

 
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Remember New Year’s eve 2018? Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross announced the firing of head coach Adam Gase (yeah, happy New Year, Adam) and in doing so also told reporters, his organization and most importantly, you, that things were changing.

“We’ve been operating under a philosophy that we had a good young roster and it needed maybe free agents and draft choices and we’d be very competitive,” Ross said. “To keep operating under that philosophy would be like the definition of insanity.”

Then Ross announced a new way of doing things. He said the Dolphins would turn away from from overpaying expensive veteran free agents that brought playoff hopes but rarely delivered playoff berths.

Instead, Ross said, the team would build through the draft and do things “the right way” to find “sustained winning seasons.”

And nine months later the Dolphins are hoping to trade for Jadeveon Clowney.

Now, let me see ... Does this sound like the path Ross laid out? Or the path the Dolphins have been following for years?

 
SCOTTY said:
Thank you for being candid. I do luv your last line!! It is so true. The only rebut I have is what sports team doesn't sell hope? Well I live in fort lard. Been a season tix holder for 10 years. Haven't missed a game in 15 years. I'm being 100% honest here, when we sign players tix sales jump...and a lot. When we signed suh they almost sold out season tix. There are tons of examples of this across many leagues and not just big market.look at Gianni's in Milwaukee. They sold out of season tix. One player most certainly does make a difference. Another example. Irsay is bein sued by every single one of his season tix holder because of luck. I'm saying many might belueve it to be opinion. But there is too much stastical evidence that signing big names does increase tix sales.
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Nobody buys extra tickets for a guy the average fan has never heard of. And Suh did not sell that many extra tickets either. The Dolphins did not crack the 45000 mark until the renovations were complete. The only major 'bump' you saw in season ticket sales was in 2015 percentage wise to the total capacity. It was reduced by 10000. Ironically it was Suh's first year with us. But from a pure number the increase was marginal.
 
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Clowney for a Tunsil is simply not a good trade value. The numbers both in value, cost and longevity are seriously imbalanced.

If this trade is made, Grier should be fired immediately. If Flores backs the trade, then he as well.
 
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