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It seems that every year we find out the pats get like 4 or 5 good draft picks handed to them for compensation, will we see any of those this year? And if so what kind of pick should we expect for these two great players we are almost surely gonna lose? Just trying to figure this stuff out.
 
It seems that every year we find out the pats get like 4 or 5 good draft picks handed to them for compensation, will we see any of those this year? And if so what kind of pick should we expect for these two great players we are almost surely gonna lose? Just trying to figure this stuff out.

I'm starting to think that is part of New Englands plan of stockpiling picks, letting quality FA's walk. It happens all too often. I assume we could earn a 3rd for vernon and 4th for miller though 1 is sure to be back
 
It depends on who Miami signs . If they lose Miller and OV and sign Mario Williams, Forte, and a few others we'll get nothing an like it. Is this correct?


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I'm starting to think that is part of New Englands plan of stockpiling picks, letting quality FA's walk. It happens all too often.

They have competent coaches who get the most out of players, so for them, drafting multitudes of players is key to filling out the roster depth. More money locked up in high-priced guys means less room for adequate competition, and thus, good depth.

I don't think it's coincidence that the Pats had over a dozen ( maybe two dozen?) OL and RB lineup changes in the past few years, yet still performed pretty well compared to Miami, if not a little better in some regards.
 
It seems that every year we find out the pats get like 4 or 5 good draft picks handed to them for compensation, will we see any of those this year? And if so what kind of pick should we expect for these two great players we are almost surely gonna lose? Just trying to figure this stuff out.

Suggestion for you: Google comp pick formula. won't get picks this year if OV and Miller leave, next year

This question has become the offseason version of 'are we there yet?"
 
You can add Rishard Matthews to the mix as well. I think he's get a good contract somewhere.

It won't matter though if Tannenbaum overspends in free agency again. It will cancel each other out and we'll get nothing.
 
What do we get???

Probably a scorching case of herpes.
 
It seems that every year we find out the pats get like 4 or 5 good draft picks handed to them for compensation, will we see any of those this year? And if so what kind of pick should we expect for these two great players we are almost surely gonna lose? Just trying to figure this stuff out.

Miller walks for nothing. FA. Pats don't even have to spend a draft pick.
 
Miller walks for nothing. FA. Pats don't even have to spend a draft pick.

The formula is based on players whose contracts are up, and how big a contract those players sign elsewhere if not re-signed. I'd guess OV can potentially be a 3rd, Miller a 4th-5th, and Matthews a 5th.
 
I can't say I agree with the notion the Patriots let players go to stock pile picks. Even in a perfectly executed scenario this philosophy should cease after Year 3 or 4. I.E. if you let players walk to stockpile picks, you should eventually have more picks than needs. Stockpiling infers a need for the quantity.

I'd also argue that NE rarely lets "quality" players hit the open market. Name 5 players in the last 5 years they have let walk, they drafted and went on to great success with their new team?

The actual fact is the Patriots do not draft well. As said earlier, they get the most from their picks. Bill is a masterful game planner and resource planner. He coaches to his and his player's strengths. He doesn't limit his playbook due to talent. He increases the playbook to include more plays to maximize his current roster.

Also, let's not fall into the notion that the Patriots let quality players walk and stockpile picks to be frugal. They typically are near the cap every year. They do go free agent shopping. They do sign FAs. If you are stockpiling picks, letting players walk and bumping up against the cap every year.... that tells me you are not a very good drafting team.

They need more picks to compensate for their drafting inaccuracy. They need to replace players they let walk because they didn't produce or become what they needed in 3 - 4 years. And they are actively filling holes in FA to bridge the gap between failed drafts, aging players and injuries.

Make no mistake about, Bill is the most valuable asset to his organization in the NFL. Without him, the Patriots are still living on Steve Grogan punch.
 
But to answer your question, James Starks or Ronnie Hillman at RB wouldn't cost a whole lot.

Re-signing Shelby is paramount if OV walks. Shelby is probably in the $3.5 million-$4 million per season range. I'd lock him up for 4/16 in a heartbeat.

I'd imagine Hillman or Starks could be signed for 3/$10 million.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miller got a $6 million-$7 million per season deal somewhere, like Dallas.

Matthews is looking at $5 million per year, which could be more depending on demand. It's not a deep WR group in FA at all, so I could definitely see Matthews' contract being driven by that.

There are also some decent running backs that can be had in the later rounds of the draft. I wouldn't mind bringing one of them in, as well.
 
Any picks we receive will be tranferred to New England within the first 3 rounds, and they will be tradeable.
 
I can't say I agree with the notion the Patriots let players go to stock pile picks. Even in a perfectly executed scenario this philosophy should cease after Year 3 or 4. I.E. if you let players walk to stockpile picks, you should eventually have more picks than needs. Stockpiling infers a need for the quantity.

I'd also argue that NE rarely lets "quality" players hit the open market. Name 5 players in the last 5 years they have let walk, they drafted and went on to great success with their new team?

The actual fact is the Patriots do not draft well. As said earlier, they get the most from their picks. Bill is a masterful game planner and resource planner. He coaches to his and his player's strengths. He doesn't limit his playbook due to talent. He increases the playbook to include more plays to maximize his current roster.

Also, let's not fall into the notion that the Patriots let quality players walk and stockpile picks to be frugal. They typically are near the cap every year. They do go free agent shopping. They do sign FAs. If you are stockpiling picks, letting players walk and bumping up against the cap every year.... that tells me you are not a very good drafting team.

They need more picks to compensate for their drafting inaccuracy. They need to replace players they let walk because they didn't produce or become what they needed in 3 - 4 years. And they are actively filling holes in FA to bridge the gap between failed drafts, aging players and injuries.

Make no mistake about, Bill is the most valuable asset to his organization in the NFL. Without him, the Patriots are still living on Steve Grogan punch.

This will be fun to pick apart:

Here's who the Pats lost just last year as Free agents:

Jonathan Casillas
Akeem Ayers
Darrelle Revis- pretty good player
Shane Vereen- pretty good player
Vince Wilfork
Brandon Browner

So they DO play the game to get more draft picks. Its not about being frugal its about getting as many picks as you can to increase your odds of getting more good players on your roster

The year before they lost Aqib Talib and got a third rounder back. I think the comp pick rules are stupid, arbitrary, and against the spirit of free agency (you are free to sign or not sign whomever you can)

I disagree with your theory that Belichick needs more picks to compensate for bad drafting. He hasn't hit on some WR's and some OL but between Brady, Gronk, Collins, Hightower, Malcom Brown and all the all-Pros he's drafted and developed, the Pats are in great shape.

His shrewd trades, undrafted college free agent pickups and waiver claims he's made and the ability to fit them into his system makes him the best GM or one of the best GM's in the game. He's turned good or average players from other places ( like Miami) from Sammy Morris to Welker to Ninkovich to J Freeny into valuable players.

But make no mistake, Belichick treats the comp pick rule like any other NFL rule, it's there for his team to take advantage of.
 
This will be fun to pick apart:

Here's who the Pats lost just last year as Free agents:

Jonathan Casillas
Akeem Ayers
Darrelle Revis- pretty good player
Shane Vereen- pretty good player
Vince Wilfork
Brandon Browner

So they DO play the game to get more draft picks. Its not about being frugal its about getting as many picks as you can to increase your odds of getting more good players on your roster

The year before they lost Aqib Talib and got a third rounder back. I think the comp pick rules are stupid, arbitrary, and against the spirit of free agency (you are free to sign or not sign whomever you can)

I disagree with your theory that Belichick needs more picks to compensate for bad drafting. He hasn't hit on some WR's and some OL but between Brady, Gronk, Collins, Hightower, Malcom Brown and all the all-Pros he's drafted and developed, the Pats are in great shape.

His shrewd trades, undrafted college free agent pickups and waiver claims he's made and the ability to fit them into his system makes him the best GM or one of the best GM's in the game. He's turned good or average players from other places ( like Miami) from Sammy Morris to Welker to Ninkovich to J Freeny into valuable players.

But make no mistake, Belichick treats the comp pick rule like any other NFL rule, it's there for his team to take advantage of.

Are you sure Wilfork wasn't cut? Cut players don't count in the compensation formula...whatever that secret formula is.
 
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