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First off, I'm not looking to open old wounds. I just want my team, the Miami Dolphins, to make good personnel decision.

We've debated Ryan Tannehill a lot here. I know some of us felt he had the ability to be a top 10 caliber quarterback if he was in the right situation, i.e. with a complementary running game.

Is there any doubt that Tannehill has reached that threshold? His first year in Tennessee, Tannehill led the league with a 117.5 quarterback rating. He followed that up with a 106.5 last season. In two years with the Titans, Tennessee has made the playoffs both years and Tannehill has thrown 55 touchdown passes and just 13 interceptions.

Not saying Tannehill is Mahomes. He's not. Tannehill has the same warts/limitations we saw with the Dolphins. His pocket presence has never been great, but Tennessee has him getting rid of the ball more quickly, for the most part.

Tannehill also tends towards conservative quite often, opting for the sure play rather than the potential big gainer. Not as bad as Derek Carr with check downs, but in that neighborhood.

What's the point? Well Miami got a 4th rounder for Tannehill. What would Tennessee get today if they traded him? Jimmy Garappalo fetched a 2nd rounder for New England and Tannehill is a better quarterback than Jimmy G.

Which leads me to Tua. Personally, I think Tua has a higher ceiling than Tannehill. For one, his pocket presence is really good, potentially elite. He has had moments where you can certainly envision a quarterback that Miami can win with. He's had some bad outings too, but doesn't even have a full season of starts under his belt.

A couple of things stand out this year withTua. The audible to Parker that essentially sealed the win in the opener, and the 90-yard drive after the bad interception against Jacksonville. I think that was the best Miami drive of the season.

Again, like Tannehill, he needs complementary pieces. But I think Tua is a winner. Coming up big in big moments, has always been the book on Tua. To me, building around him makes sense.

I haven't seen anything in his brief career to say pull the plug. Yet it looks like the organization may go that route.
 
Tua played extremely well against Arizona in Arizona and against Jacksonville in London. This was the Tua we all were hoping for. The kid can play. Unfortunately in those games he really didn't get the help from his supporting cast, he needed. He basically was on an island and had to put the team on his back. Imagine if Miami had the offensive line and running game to compliment him.
 
Tua played extremely well against Arizona in Arizona and against Jacksonville in London. This was the Tua we all were hoping for. The kid can play. Unfortunately in those games he really didn't get the help from his supporting cast, he needed. He basically was on an island and had to put the team on his back. Imagine if Miami had the offensive line and running game to compliment him.
There's a boldness to him that I like as well. I really think Miami has something if they can put pieces around him.
 
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First off, I'm not looking to open old wounds. I just want my team, the Miami Dolphins, to make good personnel decision.

We've debated Ryan Tannehill a lot here. I know some of us felt he had the ability to be a top 10 caliber quarterback if he was in the right situation, i.e. with a complementary running game.

Is there any doubt that Tannehill has reached that threshold? His first year in Tennessee, Tannehill led the league with a 117.5 quarterback rating. He followed that up with a 106.5 last season. In two years with the Titans, Tennessee has made the playoffs both years and Tannehill has thrown 55 touchdown passes and just 13 interceptions.

Not saying Tannehill is Mahomes. He's not. Tannehill has the same warts/limitations we saw with the Dolphins. His pocket presence has never been great, but Tennessee has him getting rid of the ball more quickly, for the most part.

Tannehill also tends towards conservative quite often, opting for the sure play rather than the potential big gainer. Not as bad as Derek Carr with check downs, but in that neighborhood.

What's the point? Well Miami got a 4th rounder for Tannehill. What would Tennessee get today if they traded him? Jimmy Garappalo fetched a 2nd rounder for New England and Tannehill is a better quarterback than Jimmy G.

Which leads me to Tua. Personally, I think Tua has a higher ceiling than Tannehill. For one, his pocket presence is really good, potentially elite. He has had moments where you can certainly envision a quarterback that Miami can win with. He's had some bad outings too, but doesn't even have a full season of starts under his belt.

A couple of things stand out this year withTua. The audible to Parker that essentially sealed the win in the opener, and the 90-yard drive after the bad interception against Jacksonville. I think that was the best Miami drive of the season.

Again, like Tannehill, he needs complementary pieces. But I think Tua is a winner. Coming up big in big moments, has always been the book on Tua. To me, building around him makes sense.

I haven't seen anything in his brief career to say pull the plug. Yet it looks like the organization may go that route.
I agree 100%...He can make throws RT would not think about trying but the question is will Miami ever get to the point where he can succeed. Fielding a decent squad in the NFL should not be this difficult.
 
I don't think we should take convincing to think a player is good. Xavien Howard is great DB, it is undeniable.

DW is a great QB, it is undeniable. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, it is undeniable. Russell Wilson is great QB, it is undeniable. Tua is not close to their level yet, and may never be, it is undeniable.
 
what? Tannehill has arm strength that Tua only dreams of.
Its not all about "Arm Strength" although thats nice and Tua has enough of it to be effective. Its about finding the right spot to put the ball when your inside the 20. RT was horrible at it and many many drives stalled there...now in Tennessee he uses Henry to pound it in but Miami did not have that option when he was there. Tua has a knack for it ....go back and look at his ability to find the guy and put it on him. Tua in Rt situation would look like Russell Wilson 2.0

BTW...Im pulling for RT in Tennessee and I hope he has continues success
 
I don't think we should take convincing to think a player is good. Xavien Howard is great DB, it is undeniable.

DW is a great QB, it is undeniable. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, it is undeniable. Russell Wilson is great QB, it is undeniable. Tua is not close to their level yet, and may never be, it is undeniable.
Would you say that this year’s rookie draft was a complete bust? Not a single QB taken in the first round is close to that level. They’re not close to Tua’s level yet.
 
Would you say that this year’s rookie draft was a complete bust? Not a single QB taken in the first round is close to that level. They’re not close to Tua’s level yet.

Who said Tua was a bust? I just said he isn't there... Yet. He could do it, but it is far from a guarantee.

I know you guys would rather have Jealen Phillips but I would rather have Chandler Jones. One is hope, the other is glory.

And I would rather have Tua than Tannehill because he is almost at RT's level to me in just his 2nd year. But anyone saying that Tua has shown that he could be better than DW, AR, or RW, don't know how to evaluate football players. Saying that would be based on hope that he develops, not what he has shown.

Those people are saying those things based on hope, faith, and dreams, I am basing my opinion on facts, stats, and what I have personally seen. I remember when some of you were very high on Rosen too.

At the very least, Tua has shown he is undeniably better than Rosen.
 
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That's really not true. Tannehill was great at sustaining drives in progress and the team typically had good red zone efficiency with him. The problem with both the Philbin and Gase offenses was 3 and out.
If not true then why did we lose so much when Rt was here & why was Tony Sparano/Philbin the FG kings? Asking for a friend...
 
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