Tannehill being compared to Jay Fiedler, but he will never be that good.

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Im not gonna say the kid won't b good or even elite. The issue is right now I'd he ready to play. We have garrad and Moore on staff. tannahill is not plug and play ready. Is this the guy we are willin to invest 5 years in? I don't see why we would draft a player in the first rd so high at eight that's not ready from day one

The fact that you have Moore is the exact reason you can afford to draft Tannehill. Moore is a solid NFL QB, and I agree Tannehill won't be ready to take the field until probably his 2nd year. But that is fine, Arron Rodgers wasn't ready to take the field his first year either. Looked completely lost at times, but look how he turned out. Very few pocket passers get a feel for the game in their first year, but that goes for Luck and even RG3 as well. IMO RG3 is going to need a year to get up to speed also. I would be willing to bet anyone that Matt Moore will have a higher QB rating than RG3 does this year. That doesn't mean I think RG3 will never be as good as Moore it just means rarely do QBs come in an tear it up. The price/value of QBs is going up, and you have to overpay to get one. Tannehill probably isn't worth a 8th overall pick but you have to take him and hope he turns into his potential. The OP said we are going to be 4-12 and I don't think he is far off with that prediction, the part I see different is that if we continue this trend of not taking QBs in the first rd we are going to continue suffering with 2nd rate QBs. We HAVE to get a QB first then get the pieces around him. The other way hasn't been working the last 30 years. Ask yourself this, how many star QBs have the dolphins found in the draft since Marino?? And how many first round picks have we used on QBs. I think the answer to both questions are eerly similiar.

 

[Kinzua]

Im not gonna say the kid won't b good or even elite. The issue is right now I'd he ready to play. We have garrad and Moore on staff. tannahill is not plug and play ready. Is this the guy we are willin to invest 5 years in? I don't see why we would draft a player in the first rd so high at eight that's not ready from day one

It's not just that Tannehill only started 19 games. He only played 19 games because he spent his first two years as a WR not a QB, and then was the backup QB to Jerrod Johnson, who wasn't even drafted, for half of his junior year. It seems to me that Tannehill's lack of NFL readiness stems in large part from the fact that his coach, Mike Sherman, wasn't impressed enough with him to give him the opportunity to play QB early on.

Moreover, it seems to me that a QB drafted in the top 10 should at least be NFL-ready enough to be your backup QB. If he can't come in for the starter in an emergency, then he's the #3 QB. Think about that. Do you draft a guy at #8 in the entire draft to be the third QB on your team, the guy who gets to imitate the opposition QB with the practice squad guys rather than practicing with the second stringers?

 

[Valandui]

I hope he plays with the level of heart that Fiedler did if we get him. Hell, if Henne played with half of it he might have been successful.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Agreed sir. A top 10 pick at the QB position should be ready to start from day 1. Tanny is anything but a value pick

I find it hard to believe some of you people actually believe this. Why is it so important that a QB starts from day one?? Isn't a QB with star potential 10x more important than how developed he is when you draft him?? Arron Rodgers wasn't ready day one, DAN MARINO couldn't even win the starting job until week 6, does that mean it would have been a mistake to take Danny with the 8th overall pick?? Look, I am not 100% sold that Tannehill is the answer either, but having to wait a year to see if he pans out is not a problem in my eyes. I would much rather have to wait a year or two to get the next Rodgers than I would drafting another Tedd Ginn Jr and family. If Sherman who knows about as much about him as anyone thinks he is worth it than I am on board. If we draft someone else I am fine that also because I will feel they knew more of his down side.

What I am saying is I would much rather draft someone that didn't pan out and completely sucks, than pass on that player and two years later he is leading the Cheifs or Cardinals to the Super Bowl. I ask you this, and it may be different for different fans, but which hurt more drafting Henne and it not working out, or NOT drafting Brees, when so many of us wanted him?? Every time I see the saints play it brings me pain. Henne was a mistake but at least we were shooting for a QB.

Tannehill might not work out but I hope we take the chance rather than hoping a miracle falls out of a tree and hits us on the head like Dan did. Miracles like that are not things you can count on. You have to make your own luck in this world.

 

[datruth55]

It's not just that Tannehill only started 19 games. He only played 19 games because he spent his first two years as a WR not a QB, and then was the backup QB to Jerrod Johnson, who wasn't even drafted, for half of his junior year. It seems to me that Tannehill's lack of NFL readiness stems in large part from the fact that his coach, Mike Sherman, wasn't impressed enough with him to give him the opportunity to play QB early on.

Moreover, it seems to me that a QB drafted in the top 10 should at least be NFL-ready enough to be your backup QB. If he can't come in for the starter in an emergency, then he's the #3 QB. Think about that. Do you draft a guy at #8 in the entire draft to be the third QB on your team, the guy who gets to imitate the opposition QB with the practice squad guys rather than practicing with the second stringers?

Josh Johnson starting over Tannehill is kind of like Reggie Ball starting for 4 years at Georgia Tech...who was the coach there? Oh yeah, Chan Gailey.

Anyway, it could have been the fact that Tannehill was their best receiver as well so maybe Sherman felt Johnson being subpar to Tannehill and starting was a better option than Tannehill being QB and not having a receiver to throw to. It would be like Brandon Marshall being a better QB than Matt Moore but if you had put Marshall at QB then who would he throw to? Coaching logic doesn't always make sense. The fact that no one could stop Calvin Johnson in college except for Reggie Ball should have queued Gailey that he needed another QB.

 

[Vertical Limit]

Well back in 2003-04, there was heavy debate here on Finheaven that Fiedler is actually better than Tom Brady and that Tom will never be as good as him. So if this is true about Tannehill then we got ourselves a franchise quarterback.

 

[Lilseb93]

This is a great way to destroy your rep.

 

[rent this space]

I find it hard to believe some of you people actually believe this. Why is it so important that a QB starts from day one?? Isn't a QB with star potential 10x more important than how developed he is when you draft him?? Arron Rodgers wasn't ready day one, DAN MARINO couldn't even win the starting job until week 6, does that mean it would have been a mistake to take Danny with the 8th overall pick?? Look, I am not 100% sold that Tannehill is the answer either, but having to wait a year to see if he pans out is not a problem in my eyes. I would much rather have to wait a year or two to get the next Rodgers than I would drafting another Tedd Ginn Jr and family. If Sherman who knows about as much about him as anyone thinks he is worth it than I am on board. If we draft someone else I am fine that also because I will feel they knew more of his down side.

What I am saying is I would much rather draft someone that didn't pan out and completely sucks, than pass on that player and two years later he is leading the Cheifs or Cardinals to the Super Bowl. I ask you this, and it may be different for different fans, but which hurt more drafting Henne and it not working out, or NOT drafting Brees, when so many of us wanted him?? Every time I see the saints play it brings me pain. Henne was a mistake but at least we were shooting for a QB.

Tannehill might not work out but I hope we take the chance rather than hoping a miracle falls out of a tree and hits us on the head like Dan did. Miracles like that are not things you can count on. You have to make your own luck in this world.

Completely agree with all of this, if you believe he will be a franchise guy- take him at 8. Don't worry if he doesnt start right away. Not many do and much fewer do well at first. No one knows how it will go for Tannehill, but QBs with that much potential are worth the gamble, imo.
Also, that rookie contract isn't what it used to be, all the more reason to take QBs early and often

 

[Mogwai]

This place can still surprise me. ****ing bizarre comparison. Sports talk crosses the line into surreal bull**** way too often. It only takes eyeballs and one look at them to tell that comparing Tannehill with Fiedler is on an nth level of crazy. Does a 6'4 QB with a big arm who is fast as hell really make anyone think of Fiedler?

 

[dreday]

i can dig it!!

 

[LarryFinFan]

I was listening to ESPN radio, yesterday, and they said Tannehill, is a lot like Jay Fiedler or a Jeff Garcia. Personally, I don't think he will ever be that good. I think it would be a horrible decision, if we took Tannehill with the 8th pick. I think he is 2nd or 3rd round talent. We need to draft a WR, with the 8th pick, and then get the best availiable offensive tackle in the 2nd round. In the third round, we should take a quarterback. Miami record next year, will be 4-12. No way this team will win more than 4 games, next year.

Let me get this right...you suggest we pick a WR in the first, and OT in the second and a QB in the third and with that, there is no way this team is any better than 4-12 next season...I'm kinda glad you're not our GM and staff...hehehe

Even before Barkley and Jones dropped out of the draft, Tannehill was considered by most a mid-second round pick. Now that they have dropped out, naturally, he's taken the spot of the 3rd best QB in the draft, he's going to be moved up. I agree that I don't think Tannehill is worth a top 15 pick, but beings that he's the next best QB not named Luck or RG3, he's going to be taken in the top half of the first round...that's how the draft works... You don't evaluate players from other drafts, you value them in comparison to what they have to pick from. Whether you choose to risk taking him that high or you choose to go with the next guy on your board is up to the individuals making those decisions... I think that if Irish sees Tannehill sitting there at 8, there's going to be a lot of pressure to take him. Weeden is arguably the next best option in this draft and won't be available at our 2nd round pick either.

While we're on the subject, what is it that you don't like about Tannehill's game ?? You say you don't want to take him and you have him ranked in rds 2 or 3 and that he's not as good as Fiedler (btw, I don't ever recall putting those two words together - Fiedler and good....), but why don't you like him ?? What have you seen that he's so bad as a QB. I've seen several posters on this and other forums who don't like him, but they don't seem to want to say why ??

 

[BlueFin]

I was listening to ESPN radio, yesterday, and they said Tannehill, is a lot like Jay Fiedler or a Jeff Garcia. Personally, I don't think he will ever be that good. I think it would be a horrible decision, if we took Tannehill with the 8th pick. I think he is 2nd or 3rd round talent. We need to draft a WR, with the 8th pick, and then get the best availiable offensive tackle in the 2nd round. In the third round, we should take a quarterback. Miami record next year, will be 4-12. No way this team will win more than 4 games, next year.

I hope your joking....??? Jay Fiedler stunk. Ryan Tannehill is a talented kid with tons more ceiling than Garcia and Jay Fiedler does not even belong in this conversation.

 

[BlueFin]

At this point, I would gladly take fiedler.

You must be under 30 and have no real memory of real Dolphin quarterbacks?

 

[phinfanNY08]

Jay Fiedler is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Dolphins. If we actually would have had a QB then we prob would have added a Superbowl or two.

Do you also realize we won 37 games with him as our starting quarterback? Who since Marino has had as many starts and compiled those kind of wins?!

 

[Danny]

I was listening to ESPN radio, yesterday, and they said Tannehill, is a lot like Jay Fiedler or a Jeff Garcia. Personally, I don't think he will ever be that good. I think it would be a horrible decision, if we took Tannehill with the 8th pick. I think he is 2nd or 3rd round talent. We need to draft a WR, with the 8th pick, and then get the best availiable offensive tackle in the 2nd round. In the third round, we should take a quarterback. Miami record next year, will be 4-12. No way this team will win more than 4 games, next year.

Dude, so you think taking Tannehill at 8 is bad but you want us to take a WR at 8? I will rain on your parade and tell you that Philbvin and company will not take a WR at 8.

Ozzy rules!!

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Do you also realize we won 37 games with him as our starting quarterback? Who since Marino has had as many starts and compiled those kind of wins?!

We didn't win 37 games thanks to him. We did it with guys like Thomas, Bowens, JT, Sam and Pat and Ricky.Jay stoped us from winning more.

Ozzy rules!!