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Tannehill could become 2nd Phins QB to pass for 4k yards

phishxhead said:
If he was so great and our O was so good why did they resort to a gimmick offense and line him up at WR?
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Yep. Pennington had a good year, but there is a reason we resorted to the Wildcat. And we did not beat any playoff teams that year.
 
shouright said:
The point is that yards per pass attempt predicts winning much more strongly than passing yards.

I see you're still missing it. ;)
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Quite the contrary, you are actually still missing it. Re-read the original post and see where the thread starter eveer mentioned anything about a correlation to winning games. He simply said that tannehill could be.only the second miami qb to hit the 4,000 yard mark.
 
shouright said:
What he's doing in reality isn't nearly as good as what Pennington did in reality in 2008, despite the difference in the number of passing yards.
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Comparing Pennington who at the time was a 8 year vet, to a 2nd year QB is really logical.

Here's the difference:

Pennington threw 19 Td's that year. Tannehill hast thrown 20.

Pennington had 38 plays of +20 Yards and 8 +40 Yards. Tannehill currently sit at 38 +20 yard plays with three games remaining. and he has 10 plays of +40 Yards or more.

Pennington threw just 2 300 yard games and Tannehill has already thrown for 4 300 Yard games with three games remaining.

And Tannehill also has 220 yards rushing and a score with a 6.5 Avg, while Chad had a grand total of 62 Yards.

Meanwhile, Pennington was supported by a top 10 rushing offense..

And Tannehill just needs to avg 113 yards for next three games to eclpise Penington passing yards for that season.

Yeah no difference..
 
Lets not forget the Dolphins had a ridiculously easy schedule in 2008. If it were not for the Wildcat the offense would have struggled to put enough points on the board to win.
 
MadDog 88 said:
Lets not forget the Dolphins had a ridiculously easy schedule in 2008. If it were not for the Wildcat the offense would have struggled to put enough points on the board to win.
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That year, we played the AFC West and NFC West, which were easily the 2 worst divisions in football. The only playoff teams we faced that year were the Baltimore Ravens (they crushed us in week 7 and again in the playoffs), the 8-8 San Diego Chargers (we beat them 17-10) and the 9-7 Cardinals (they crushed us 31-10).

The only other teams we played with winning records were the 9-7 Jets (split with them) and the 11-5 Cassell Patriots (split with them).

We basically beat up cupcakes in 2008. Here are some of the 'great wins' from 2008:

21-19 over the 4-12 Seahawks
17-15 over the 5-11 Raiders
16-12 over the 2-14 Rams
14-9 over the 7-9 49ers (I believe Singletary had taken over by that point)
38-31 over the 2-14 Chiefs

We squeaked by ****ty teams. Our strength of schedule was laughable and when we actually played good teams we got stomped on. Even the Matt Cassel Patriots blew us out in the rematch against them.

So while 2008 was a great season coming off of the heels of that awful 2007, let's not pretend Chad Pennington led some offensive juggernaut to incredible wins against great competition. We were humiliated by Kurt Warner, Joe Flacco, and Matt Cassell. You take away that first Wildcat game against the Patriots and the team's point differential was about even.
 
Hey, welcome back HCF.

Good luck against KC in the wild card round. I know those injuries hurt, but IMO Luck gives you a chance against anybody.
 
Shouright,

I appreciate your contributions to this board, and I think you get a worse rap than you deserve. That said, I think you're off base on this one.

Pennington had a great, efficient year. And I agree that YPA is an important metric. That said, I don't think you can argue that Pennington would have maintained that efficiency if 1) He was asked to throw as much as Tannehill, 2) He didn't have such a powerful running game, and as a result, easier defensive fronts to throw against, and 3) He played against better competition.

I'm a huge Chicago Bulls fan, and this reminds me of the endless Rose vs Paul debates we had during Rose's MVP year (yes, I know things have changed and Rose is glass, but I'm talking about 3 years ago). Although Rose basically slaughtered Paul every time they matched up, and led a much better team, people would still maintain Paul the better player because of his efficiency stats compared to Rose. The main difference is that Rose was asked to make so many more plays, have the ball much more, and "pick up the slack" for the rest of the team, while Paul only selectively took "good" shots when open. This ended up with Paul having much better efficiency stats, but with Rose having the better season (subjectively) by carrying his team. I think you have to take usage in to account as a disadvantage when exceeding the norm, which applies to Tannehill as well.

I don't want to take away from Pennington, because that year was special and I love the guy, but I also don't think you can discount what our 2nd year QB is doing (and being asked to do) by using Pennington's YPA as an example. He definitely has things to work on, but I think we should all be excited about his potential.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Hey, welcome back HCF.

Good luck against KC in the wild card round. I know those injuries hurt, but IMO Luck gives you a chance against anybody.
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Thanks man, hope to see ya'll later on as well! That game against KC could be very brutal, heck both games could be haha(Play em week 16 too).
 
sampera said:
Shouright,

I appreciate your contributions to this board, and I think you get a worse rap than you deserve. That said, I think you're off base on this one.

Pennington had a great, efficient year. And I agree that YPA is an important metric. That said, I don't think you can argue that Pennington would have maintained that efficiency if 1) He was asked to throw as much as Tannehill, 2) He didn't have such a powerful running game, and as a result, easier defensive fronts to throw against, and 3) He played against better competition.

I'm a huge Chicago Bulls fan, and this reminds me of the endless Rose vs Paul debates we had during Rose's MVP year (yes, I know things have changed and Rose is glass, but I'm talking about 3 years ago). Although Rose basically slaughtered Paul every time they matched up, and led a much better team, people would still maintain Paul the better player because of his efficiency stats compared to Rose. The main difference is that Rose was asked to make so many more plays, have the ball much more, and "pick up the slack" for the rest of the team, while Paul only selectively took "good" shots when open. This ended up with Paul having much better efficiency stats, but with Rose having the better season (subjectively) by carrying his team. I think you have to take usage in to account as a disadvantage when exceeding the norm, which applies to Tannehill as well.

I don't want to take away from Pennington, because that year was special and I love the guy, but I also don't think you can discount what our 2nd year QB is doing (and being asked to do) by using Pennington's YPA as an example. He definitely has things to work on, but I think we should all be excited about his potential.
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the fact we're even having this discussion about pennington who was a multi-year pro bowl 2x comeback player of the year and a 2nd year QB Tannehill is pretty damn good position for us (the fans) to be in.
 
sampera said:
Shouright,

I appreciate your contributions to this board, and I think you get a worse rap than you deserve. That said, I think you're off base on this one.

Pennington had a great, efficient year. And I agree that YPA is an important metric. That said, I don't think you can argue that Pennington would have maintained that efficiency if 1) He was asked to throw as much as Tannehill, 2) He didn't have such a powerful running game, and as a result, easier defensive fronts to throw against, and 3) He played against better competition.

I'm a huge Chicago Bulls fan, and this reminds me of the endless Rose vs Paul debates we had during Rose's MVP year (yes, I know things have changed and Rose is glass, but I'm talking about 3 years ago). Although Rose basically slaughtered Paul every time they matched up, and led a much better team, people would still maintain Paul the better player because of his efficiency stats compared to Rose. The main difference is that Rose was asked to make so many more plays, have the ball much more, and "pick up the slack" for the rest of the team, while Paul only selectively took "good" shots when open. This ended up with Paul having much better efficiency stats, but with Rose having the better season (subjectively) by carrying his team. I think you have to take usage in to account as a disadvantage when exceeding the norm, which applies to Tannehill as well.

I don't want to take away from Pennington, because that year was special and I love the guy, but I also don't think you can discount what our 2nd year QB is doing (and being asked to do) by using Pennington's YPA as an example. He definitely has things to work on, but I think we should all be excited about his potential.
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Appreciate the kind words. :up:

I think you're right that it's time now to start getting excited about Tanenhill's potential, now that he's strung together a good number of games of high-level play. My focus here was only to highlight the fact that passing efficiency is still one of his weaker areas, and we shouldn't use passing yards to "substitute" for that.

And while it's true that Tannehill has had to shoulder more of the offense than Pennington did in 2008, it's also true that Tannehill's performance this year, in terms of QB rating and YPA, is independent of the percentage of the offense he's had to carry. In other words, there is no significant correlation, game to game this year, between Tannehill's key QB stats and any of the running game variables, such as rushing attempts, rushing yards, or yards per carry.

In other words, while he's starting to show some serious promise, there is still a major area in which he has to improve, namely passing efficiency, which is the most important passing game stat in terms of winning.

Thanks again. :)
 
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