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Tannehill Holdout: Let's Don't Jump To Conclusions

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First off let me say, we really know nothing about why the contract has yet to be signed. The SPECULATION, and that is all it is because neither side has confirmed it, is that the holdup is concerning the double dipping clause. For those of you living on the moon who haven't heard about this, what it means is that in year 4 of a rookie's 4 year rookie contract, if that player gets cut by the team that drafted him, he still gets paid for the full 4th year, AS WELL AS any money he gets from the new team that signs him.

An example of this (although not a rookie contract) Chad Johnson is getting paid more THIS year by the pats than we are paying him. His contract was guaranteed so even though he is no longer with the pats they still have to pay him even though he is also making money under the new contract that WE are paying him. Thereby "double dipping".

Now, I see all these threads about this subject and the writters are all saying if Ireland and the front office believed in him they would be willing to guarantee the full 4 years, because the other teams ahead of us did not add the double dipping clause. Why is this seen as a one-way street?? The fact that the dolphins want the extra year 4 clause written in the contract is no more an indication that they don’t believe in Tannehill, than the fact that he doesn’t want to sign it, means that HE doesn’t believe he will be here in year 4. If Tannehill and his agent are sure that he is a star in the making, and that he is worth the contract, and will be the franchise QB, then why worry about being a bust and getting cut in year 4??

This situation is not about Ireland disrespecting his player, it is about doing the right thing. Ryan Tannehill only had 19 starts as a college QB. He had his bright spots but he also had a lot of negatives. I really don’t think RT would have been drafted with the 8th overall pick if it were not for the new CBA where rookies have a much smaller salary cap. The new CBA makes it cost the team less if they take a chance on a high draft pick and that player turns out to be a bust. In other words we needed a QB, and the new CBA makes it a lot smarter for a team to use a high draft pick to “REACH” for a player with high upside, that might also be a bust. Because Ireland “REACHED” for a player that probably wouldn’t have been drafted in the top 10 last year, he is protecting the team by adding the obvious clause.
The bottom line is Ireland is doing this for the team and NOT himself. One thing is for sure, if RT bombs and is no longer on the team in 4 years, you can bet that Ireland will elsewhere as well. I believe in RT and hope and believe that he is the future of our franchise, but if I am wrong and RT is no longer on the team in 4 years I will be thankful that someone had the forethought to protect the franchise against a $6 million dollar cap hit, that might keep us from signing his replacement.
 
Did this really need a new thread? A ton of people have already weighed in on both sides of the offset language issue in multiple other threads...
 
And before someone says I am taking sides in this debate, let me say that I am not. I just want him signed and in camp competing. I understand RT has to do what is best for him and his family, it is a business after all. I just like and appreciate the way Ireland is handling the situation and trying to protect the team. I also think that it is a pretty shortsighted view to say that the FO doesn't "believe" in their player because they want to write in the year 4 clause. By that logic I guess you should just sign all the players you "believe in" to lifetime contracts.
 
We know EXACTLY why the contract hasn't been signed actually.

It's not a secret :rolleyes2:
 
Did this really need a new thread? A ton of people have already weighed in on both sides of the offset language issue in multiple other threads...

Merge it then, I hadn't seen anyone bring this up. All I have seen was everyone acting like Ireland was being too hard or not doing his job. Which happens to be the exact opposite of what he is doing. I was unaware that there was no room for new threads. Geez!!!

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We know EXACTLY why the contract hasn't been signed actually.

It's not a secret :rolleyes2:

Really?? My bad, I had not seen where it had been confirmed. All I had seen was a bunch of people's speculation.
 
Now, I see all these threads about this subject and the writters are all saying if Ireland and the front office believed in him they would be willing to guarantee the full 4 years, because the other teams ahead of us did not add the double dipping clause. Why is this seen as a one-way street?? The fact that the dolphins want the extra year 4 clause written in the contract is no more an indication that they don’t believe in Tannehill, than the fact that he doesn’t want to sign it, means that HE doesn’t believe he will be here in year 4. If Tannehill and his agent are sure that he is a star in the making, and that he is worth the contract, and will be the franchise QB, then why worry about being a bust and getting cut in year 4??

Tannehill not signing a contract with the off-set language in it goes beyond what you just said. His agent would be committing what would amount to career suicide. What potential client would be willing to sign with Pat Dye if they knew he was the only one to give in to the team's demands to install such language into his client's contract. Not to mention how he would look to all the other agents who got their players signed without the off-set language.
 

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Really?? My bad, I had not seen where it had been confirmed. All I had seen was a bunch of people's speculation.

No it was confirmed by club offiicals and Tannehill's agent. Pretty cut and dry actually
 
Its just like someone asking his futur wife to sign a prenup... its contreversial but you can still make an argument either way...
 
I might have a hard time with his signing if the reports from training camp said that Ryann T. was lighting it up and was certainly going to be our starter. Every report I have read so far has him clearly behind Gerard and Moore so all this fuss about him signing 2 days late is irrevelant based on that fact that R. T. is not a starter at this point for the Dolphins. Two other points have been quickly forgotten in this whole issue that had everyone stirred up on this board for some time. First it was not to long ago the Ireland was getting nailed by all his puntiffs for not signing good Quarterbacks for a true QB competition that he promised. Gerard so far looks like a good signing as he leads the phins QB derby from the camp reports, and Ireland drafted the consensus 3rd best QB in this years draft class and still has Moorte who basically led this same team to 6 out of 10 wins as a full time starter last year. Folks we do have a pretty good QB derby going on compared to the other teams in the NFL right now. Second and further more to just concede the entire year and write it off by letting Ryann T start to get the experience is just plain foolish when you have a Gerard and even Moore for him to learn from and hopefully develop. The phins would also be taking the chance that starting him to soon would hinder his development more than help it and many of these same persons clamoring for him to start would be happy to nail Irelands hide to the wall if that decision was made. So you have a kid missing 2 days of camp, who is not the starter nor should be the starter because the manager of the team Ireland is holding firm on the same offset clause that many of the other NFL clubs had also included in their first round picks contracts but caved later while Ireland did his job of financial due diligence for his club . Just how many of you really beleived we would get to resign Paul Solai this year along with the Cam Wake deal? Both signing tied up important players and did not break the bank. This is basically the same team as last year minus the coaches, Brandon Marshall and a wide open competition at Quarterback just what many of us asked for. Yes Bell and Langford will be missed too but hopefully this draft which IMO has been one of our better ones will offset those losses. I am certainly more concerned about if these coaches can get the job done more than some rookie signing that certainly will not be an issue if these coaches cannot coach.
 
I might have a hard time with his signing if the reports from training camp said that Ryann T. was lighting it up and was certainly going to be our starter. Every report I have read so far has him clearly behind Gerard and Moore so all this fuss about him signing 2 days late is irrevelant based on that fact that R. T. is not a starter at this point for the Dolphins. Two other points have been quickly forgotten in this whole issue that had everyone stirred up on this board for some time. First it was not to long ago the Ireland was getting nailed by all his puntiffs for not signing good Quarterbacks for a true QB competition that he promised. Gerard so far looks like a good signing as he leads the phins QB derby from the camp reports, and Ireland drafted the consensus 3rd best QB in this years draft class and still has Moorte who basically led this same team to 6 out of 10 wins as a full time starter last year. Folks we do have a pretty good QB derby going on compared to the other teams in the NFL right now. Second and further more to just concede the entire year and write it off by letting Ryann T start to get the experience is just plain foolish when you have a Gerard and even Moore for him to learn from and hopefully develop. The phins would also be taking the chance that starting him to soon would hinder his development more than help it and many of these same persons clamoring for him to start would be happy to nail Irelands hide to the wall if that decision was made. So you have a kid missing 2 days of camp, who is not the starter nor should be the starter because the manager of the team Ireland is holding firm on the same offset clause that many of the other NFL clubs had also included in their first round picks contracts but caved later while Ireland did his job of financial due diligence for his club . Just how many of you really beleived we would get to resign Paul Solai this year along with the Cam Wake deal? Both signing tied up important players and did not break the bank. This is basically the same team as last year minus the coaches, Brandon Marshall and a wide open competition at Quarterback just what many of us asked for. Yes Bell and Langford will be missed too but hopefully this draft which IMO has been one of our better ones will offset those losses. I am certainly more concerned about if these coaches can get the job done more than some rookie signing that certainly will not be an issue if these coaches cannot coach.

Very well said, I agree with every point you made. Some times we over look the good things Ireland has done and only focus on what we think he should have done different. No one has a crystal ball and no one can tell the future. I used to be down on Ireland like many of the others on this board, but the one thing that we MUST do is keep some coaches and front office people in place long enough to get some stablity. If we keep getting rid of people every two or three years we will get to a point NO one will want to work for the dolphins. I have changed my view on Ireland and now think he has made some pretty good decisions. He is by no means perfect but no one is. I am pulling for him to help get things turned around and think he just might.
 
Tannehill not signing a contract with the off-set language in it goes beyond what you just said. His agent would be committing what would amount to career suicide. What potential client would be willing to sign with Pat Dye if they knew he was the only one to give in to the team's demands to install such language into his client's contract. Not to mention how he would look to all the other agents who got their players signed without the off-set language.

Actually a few first round picks DO have the off set language. At least one in the top 10, Richardson.
 
Jeff Ireland once again proved he got Big Balls. If it's in the best interest of the team, he will give it a go, **** the haters. #GetReadyForAnotherParade.

Would be irresponsible if I didn't point out Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland pulled out a major victory for NFL teams with 1st RD "offset" language- Omar Kelly
 
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