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Tannehill set for a breakout season?

gregorygrant83 said:
I had a nightmare that Tannehill has an average season this year and Dolphin fans and the organization panics. Tannehill gets traded to Houston and becomes a star in his home state. And I wonder why my doctor want to test me for sleep apnea... these kind of dreams would make anyone stop breathing in his sleep.
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this team trades that qb and i'm probably going with him...we finally got one and they let it get away cause they can't get the protection right in front of him and i think that will be my last straw
 
DUB said:
How about backing that statement up. I can guarantee we got better at both tackle spots. You could argue all four new starters will be improved.
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Sure I'll play. Well we definitely got better at left tackle assuming Albert stays healthy but he is injury prone and older. Right tackle we don't know yet. He's a rookie and will likely be a downgrade at least until he finds his pro level groove. Both guard positions are awful and Incog was better than anyone we have now. Until Pouncey comes back center is disturbingly worse than last year.....So the only position that we definitely upgraded is left tackle. It's possible we could be better at right tackle but it's not likely he will be an upgrade coming out of the gates. Guards and Center are far worse at least until Pouncey comes back....So yeah I think we will have a worse line than last year to begin the season and it seems pretty cut and dry to me. God forbid Albert go's down early and then we have the worst o-line of all time.
 
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Expect a similar season to last year if the running game doesn't materialize. Period.

If we have a more productive run game, and once we do get downfield - some player is able to either run the ball over the goal line or catch the ball in the end zone, then we will have a winning record, we won't be 8-8 again, and we'll even have a chance for the playoffs. It's really that simple. We need to stop stalling in the red zone and there has to be holes, somehow, for a RB.

With better scheme, better blocking, and some other players stepping up, we could very well have a better record with Tannehill pretty much staying the same.
 
mega-fin-love said:
Sure I'll play. Well we definitely got better at left tackle assuming Albert stays healthy but he is injury prone and older. Right tackle we don't know yet. He's a rookie and will likely be a downgrade at least until he finds his pro level groove. Both guard positions are awful and Incog was better than anyone we have now. Until Pouncey comes back center is disturbingly worse than last year.....So the only position that we definitely upgraded is left tackle. It's possible we could be better at right tackle but it's not likely he will be an upgrade coming out of the gates. Guards and Center are far worse at least until Pouncey comes back....So yeah I think we will have a worse line than last year to begin the season and it seems pretty cut and dry to me. God forbid Albert go's down early and then we have the worst o-line of all time.
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I'm not so sure both guard positions are awful. Shelley's not that good at pass-pro, but he's a top level guy on run work. I'd have to put him at LEAST slightly better than Jerry (who rated out as our highest G last year, sadly). Also hearing great things about Dallas Thomas' improvement, so that's a kind of up-check. We'll have to see in camp/pre-season of course, but at least they're not praying somebody becomes available...hoping maybe, but not destitute.

The big problem, like you said, is the missed time from Pouncey, and how long will that issue linger, limiting his full play potential when he finally does come back.

The biggest upgrade on the OL, IMHO, is the climate/coaching. Gone are Turner and his goon. The line coaches are an improvement. Throw in the point that Lazor's offense will require better O-line play to even operate...the coaches are going to have to pull it off. All we need is overall improvement and average level play from the line to vastly improve the offense, I don't think that's out of reach.
 
I think Tannehill's progression this season will have a lot more to do with the OC than the OL. Too bad we wont have a running game though, that could also be a huge factor in Tannehills development.
 
He would have had a "break out season" last year if could have only hit Wallace half the time he got three steps past the defender -- which seemed to happen EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Tannehill's inability to throw the long ball (again, to a WIDE OPEN Wallace) was the difference between winning and losing a number of games last year (3/4?). If he can't get that figured out this year, the guy needs to be dropped like a rock (instead of kept on because of his "potential" for another three years -- which is normally the Dolphin way).
 
His progress will be subject to what is happening in front of him.

The Eagles quarterbacks held the ball the longest of any team in the NFL last year, by a comfortable margin. It wasn't just Foles, it was Vick too, and both of them held the ball significantly longer in 2013 than they had in 2012 under Reid. Compared with Miami a year ago, drop depth was deeper, play-action a MUCH bigger part of the offense, and the routes took more time to develop. They got away with it because between Jason Peters getting healthy again, Evan Mathis being one of the best guards in football, Lane Johnson being a stud (especially in the second half of the year) and Jason Kelce being among the league's best centers, they may have had the best line in football...in addition to one of the best ground games starring Shady McCoy.

If Bill Lazor tries to bring that style of offense to Miami with two or possibly even three starters on the line that have never played a down of NFL football before (JaWuan James, Dallas Thomas, Billy Turner), plus a free agent acquisition whose weakness was pass pro (Shelley Smith), then Tannehill could be in for as bumpy a ride as he got in 2013. And no matter what you think about his likelihood of making progress in 2014, that will limit his ability to be efficient.
 
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JoeFin said:
He would have had a "break out season" last year if could have only hit Wallace half the time he got three steps past the defender -- which seemed to happen EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Tannehill's inability to throw the long ball (again, to a WIDE OPEN Wallace) was the difference between winning and losing a number of games last year (3/4?). If he can't get that figured out this year, the guy needs to be dropped like a rock (instead of kept on because of his "potential" for another three years -- which is normally the Dolphin way).
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blah, blah, blah..... over stated again

the problems with the long ball were (a) much less significant than several other issues and (b) heavily impacted by crap pass blocking, poor play design, and a WR that needs a perfect ball to catch it.

Bigger problems on offense than the long ball:

1. no pass blocking
2. no running game
3. predictable play calling
4. consistent poor down and distance situations
 
roy_miami said:
Attempts-completion-yards-TD-INT-PR

Year one
Dalton 516 58% 3398 20-13 80.4
Tannehill 484 58% 3293 12-13 76.1

Year two
Dalton 528 62% 3669 27-16 87.4
Tannehill 588 60% 3913 24-17 81.7

Year three
Dalton 586 62% 4293 33-20 88.8
Tannehill ???

In my opinion Dalton's numbers have been better year to year because he had a much better team to work with, but we are catching up in that department and I don't think 4500 yards and 35 TDs are out of the realm of possibility.
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Maybe, but Dalton has a solid running game with an above average OL and is throwing alley oops to the awesome 6'4 AJ Green, 6'5 Jermaine Gresham and 6'6 Tyler Eifert.

I can only wonder how well Tannehill would do with that OL and those weapons and able to use his play action to guys with excellent Hands who tower over their coverage.
 
JoeFin said:
He would have had a "break out season" last year if could have only hit Wallace half the time he got three steps past the defender -- which seemed to happen EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Tannehill's inability to throw the long ball (again, to a WIDE OPEN Wallace) was the difference between winning and losing a number of games last year (3/4?). If he can't get that figured out this year, the guy needs to be dropped like a rock (instead of kept on because of his "potential" for another three years -- which is normally the Dolphin way).
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So the fact he couldnt hit just one player, he should be dropped? He hit multiple other receivers deep. I think you're over-exagerating the issue. Sure it's a problem, but it's not a problem that you soley give up on a player based on.
 
i will make a prediction...if the oline play is as poor this year as it was last this team will start it's 3rd string qb at some point this year
 
Ron Jaworski says Tannehill can eventually be a top ten QB, at least he has the the talent to be.


“Tannehill has the talent to become a top ten quarterback in the league,” said Jaworski. “With Bill Lazor, the new offensive coordinator in Miami, expect a more up tempo offense and a quicker pace that will help Tannehill in his continued development.”
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“Where Tannehill was at his best in 2013 was in the red zone,” said Jaworski. “He threw 18 touchdowns (in that area), with only one pick.”

Another strength of Tannehill’s game is his play action fakes, and the throws that follow it. His deliberate moves confuse defenses and force defensive backs to hesitate and come up towards the line of scrimmage or freeze, opening up holes deep in the secondaries for deep threat receivers like Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline to exploit. Jaworski thinks that this quality is one of his best, along with his decision-making that goes with it.

“He was also among the league’s best off play action with his defined either/or progression reads,” said Jaworski.
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http://www.thefinsiders.com/blog/2014/jaworski-sees-top-ten-talent-in-tannehilll
 
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