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Tannehill set for a breakout season?
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He's already top 10. There's only a handful of QBs in this league that could have done as well as he did w/o a running game and line, Ms. Brady's not one of them. Here's his raw numbers from last year, taking 58 sacks and having a pathetic run squad:
60.4% Completion Rate; 24 TDs / 17 INTs; 3913 Yards
What would you say to these numbers for this coming year out of Tannehill:
59.6% Completion Rate; 24 TDs / 16 INTs; 4116 Yards
At first look, those are pretty damn close to his 2013 campaign right?
How about these numbers even:
60.5% Completion Rate; 25 TDs / 11 INTs; 4343 Yards
Would either of those sets of numbers mean he's a wash-out? Non-franchise QB? Drafting QB 1st round next year for the Dolphins?
The first set of numbers was put up by our own legend Dan Marino in 1992 (the year he had more sacks (28) than any other year in his career). The second set of numbers I used as comparison were put up by Tom Brady last year, also his highest sack (40) year (disregarding his first year, where he had one more sack, but far lesser numbers otherwise). Brady at least had a very stout OL and ample running game to go with the pass. Marino, well, did he ever have a running game? He had a great line though.
Notice I didn't use QBR as a comparative number...because it's garbage for showing how only the QB played. It's more a measure of the entire passing game, which is painfully drawn down by poor OL and RB play (as we all know first hand).
Before you run this guy out of town...take a minute to put some perspective into your analysis of how he's played and what he's been able to accomplish so far in a VERY young NFL QB career...he's not even CLOSE to being considered a reason the offense sucked last year.
I put 3/4 of the blame on the offensive line. Like many young quarterbacks, Tannehill stood in there too long, so he's got to improve that as well.
roy_miami
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To say passer rating is a team stat while saying all those other bolded stats are a measure of the QB is nonsensical. Where do you think the passer rating stat comes from?
The four separate calculations can be expressed in the following equations:
a = \left ({\text{COMP} \over \text{ATT}} - .3 \right ) \times 5
b = \left ({\text{YDS} \over \text{ATT}} - 3 \right ) \times .25
c = \left ({\text{TD} \over \text{ATT}} \right ) \times 20
d = 2.375 - \left ({\text{INT} \over \text{ATT}} \times 25 \right )
where
ATT = Number of passing attempts
COMP = Number of completions
YDS = Passing yards
TD = Touchdown passes
INT = Interceptions
Then, the above calculations are used to complete the passer rating:
\text{Passer Rating}_{\text{NFL}} = \left ({mm(a) + mm(b) + mm(c) + mm(d) \over 6} \right ) \times 100
where mm(x) = \text{max}(0, \text{min}(x, 2.375))
The four separate calculations can be expressed in the following equations:
a = \left ({\text{COMP} \over \text{ATT}} - .3 \right ) \times 5
b = \left ({\text{YDS} \over \text{ATT}} - 3 \right ) \times .25
c = \left ({\text{TD} \over \text{ATT}} \right ) \times 20
d = 2.375 - \left ({\text{INT} \over \text{ATT}} \times 25 \right )
where
ATT = Number of passing attempts
COMP = Number of completions
YDS = Passing yards
TD = Touchdown passes
INT = Interceptions
Then, the above calculations are used to complete the passer rating:
\text{Passer Rating}_{\text{NFL}} = \left ({mm(a) + mm(b) + mm(c) + mm(d) \over 6} \right ) \times 100
where mm(x) = \text{max}(0, \text{min}(x, 2.375))
Nightmare? Sounds more like what Miami has done for 20 years. If Tannehill has an average season I doubt he gets traded.
HoneyB
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I can't argue with the fact that there is more than one way to score points, and when you're not a complete offense, and you don't have pro bowlers on offense, it does make a difference when you take every opportunity that's actually there. If he was better at the deep ball with Wallace, for sure that would have translated into wins. This is not a QB (right now anyway) who had the ability to compensate for deficiencies on the offense. There was nothing you could point to...he didn't avoid the pass rush particularly well, he doesn't scramble well, he doesn't make the mind-blowing big play. He has talent, and can play well, and can lead his team, but so can other QB's in the NFL. He's nothing more than average at this point. He has to prove himself, set himself apart, regardless of our record this year.
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There's just no overstating the impact of an effective ground game. If you don't have it, you lose. You need to run the ball in critical times. You don't have to run the ball all day or get chunk yardage all the time, but if you can't be balanced, you lose, if you can't lean on the run game when you need it on a particular drive, it's over for you. The Dolphins racked up plenty of passing yards last year, and we were still terrible.
As far as that deep-drop, play action style you pointed out with the Eagles, Tannehill would personally love that. It suits his style. He's good with play action, and he likes a lot of time to throw the ball, and doesn't like to stand in a crowd of defenders.
There's no doubt that Lazor will try to have plays develop faster and not leave the QB back there exposed like last year. The O line is a work in progress.
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love the new sig Vaark ( why did I want to call you Vader??).
And I agree 100% with the article. Nice to know other experts :) and I share the same opinion on Tannehill.
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And I agree 100% with the article. Nice to know other experts :) and I share the same opinion on Tannehill.
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Dude...tannehill put the offense on his shoulders the entire season. We had no threat of a run and a crappy oline but tannehill hung in there and kept slinging the ball all over the place. A lot of qbs would've been knocked out of games behind this oline but Tanny can really take some hits and remains unphased about it. Tannehill is big, strong, fast, smart, cannon for an arm...all excellent traits. . he's average because his o line and running game sucked and some missed plays...but when I watch tannehill play I can see the talent and know he has all the tools to be great.
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If Tannehill is consistently running for his life because our o-line is in shambles we have no chance.
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How much are the Dolphins paying Wallace to get past defenders? (After all, that's what he does. They don't pay him to go over the middle.)
People complain about Wallace not living up to his contract, but you'd have to think that these people never actually watched the games. Wallace did what he was hired to do -- something that VERY FEW receivers can actually do in the NFL: get WIDE OPEN deep on a regular basis. Tannehill couldn't hit him. It was LITERALLY the difference between winning and losing a number of games.
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Sorry but he doesn't get paid to get open, he gets paid to CATCH footballs...stop making excuses for wallace
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How is he supposed to catch balls thrown 5 and 10 yards out of his reach?
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A few of them I'll agree with ya on but there was many he could've caught and had bounce off him...I understand Wallace has big play ability but he's not blameless for a lot of the missed plays we saw. Also the deep pass isn't the only play in football, he can catch a slant once in awhile...