Tannehill is staring at 0-16 against the Patriots if we are going to assume ahead of time that his starts against them will be losses.
Tannehill staring at 0-3 vs brady. Does this concern you?
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josekareh
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Stop complaining about te Buffalo Game, The dolphins played as if they wanted to lose the game, open the game with a pick 6 and then give a fumble on the 50 yd line with 3 min on the clock, it was just plain stupid... The Oline played well for 3 Quarters, the D sucked on many drives, STs blew a 70 td punt, Tanny gets picked in the end zone.. Forget playcalling, time of possession, we should have won that game but we just gave it away..
No it doesn't, if they played today I guarantee you if they lost it would be close. They were briefly in turmoil w/ all that was going on around that team but Harbaugh(I think is the best coach in the game) quickly rebounded that team.
The owner knew what he was doing, he saw Peyton up close in big games when he was "intense and ready to play" for 15 years. That was very calculated by Irsay, he made it bigger than it actually was so Peyton would treat it like a big game and big game peyton would show up.
Please Peyton is probably after Marino, one of the most talented passers to play the game, and easily one of the most well prepared, unless Irsay is a idiot, you do not wake a sleeping bear like that. I am very sure Manning wanted that game even more after after hearing Irsay, and if not for the Colts playing as well as they did, Irsay would have looked like the idiot he is.
Manning did not have a good enough defense to help him, and had to contend with a team like the Patriots that had a QB like Brady, but also had a very smart defense. IF you look at how Brady won his superbowls, it's amazing how losing your all-world Kicker, and the team that gets him is the one that wins another superbowl. Maybe we should call Brady big game loser Brady also ever since Vin
One of the most talent sure but he's one of the worst great QBs in terms of being a big game QB. manning's Ds have allowed LESS pts in regulation in postseason than the supposed great Pats Ds(which were chokers themselves).
Didn't Peyton get that all world kicker? how come he didn't win 3 SBs w/ him? Brady made 2 SBs after AV and they didn't lose either one b/c of a kicer- they lost b/c their D folded in crunch time and unlike the first 2 Sbs they didn't give Brady enough time to come back.
So you don't find it a coincidence that the place Vinatieri went to of the Pats/Colts, is the team that won the SB? You don't think that a younger Vinatieri is better then an older Vinatieri? If Peyton had the Defense and a young Adam Vinatieri, he would have won way more easily the 3 SB that Brady did.
Vinatieri was the same guy in Indy as he was in NE, how come they didn't win 3 SBs? how come they didn't even win 2?
Peyton's D's allowed LESS pts in regulation than Brady's supposed much better Ds. Peyton had MORE talent around him in a weaker division yet only 1 SB- why is that?
In his last year w/ Indy he relied on AV to kick a 50+ yarder in the final minute against us to give Indy the lead, he has always been great.
They won one SB w/ AV and won a game w/ all AV kicks(something Brady never did) but that was a run sent from the football heavens. A KC team w/ no offense in the WC run, a Bal team w/ no offense in the div rd, NE upsetting SD and giving Indy home field in the title game against Brady where his top 2 weapons were reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney then facing rex Grossman and the Bears. It's hard to have an easier run than that.
peyton is a great #s QB but fails in the biggest games time after time. The man was given 14 pts at home by his STs last year and still couldn't win. How many one and dones has he led his teams too?
No he wasn't, if you think he was, you were not paying attention, or forgot how great he was with the Pats.
You have said many occasions while defending your jets that stats don't tell the whole story, this is one of those times that is very true. The Patriots defense was money when it was most needed.
Not the same kicker he was with the Pats.
Simply put Adam won another SB without Brady, Brady has yet to win a superbowl without Adam.
Brady and Manning are both great QBs in different ways, Brady as been Manning brother #2 Bch in two superbowls...how does that look on Brady to fail against someone you think is nowhere as good as your teams failed QB.
yes he was and he is STILL great. he missed ONE kick in postseason playing w/ Manning. he missed 5 postseason kicks while playing w/ Brady.
"money" like when they became the first D in SB history to blow a 14 pt 4th qtr lead? "money" like wen they allowed 19 4th qtr pts in the Carolina SB? Their D is a great example of stats not telling the whole story, they were always highly ranked and always folded in big spots- sort of like the defensive version of Peyton Manning.
He was just as good, if not better, in Indy.
Brady made 2 SBs w/ AV and saw his "money" D blew each one. AV only made one more w/o Brady.
Brady gave his Ds late leads in both of the SBs and the "money" D failed each time. It's not his fault Eli is a better big game QB than his brother.
Not the same player, and Brady misses him very much because he can not continue to win championships without him.
No, money like keeping it close (Within in FG) depending how the offense was playing, and allowing at the end of the game to give Brady the chance to allow Adam to win it.
Close, but still not the same player.
When the offense of the Giants needed a TD, Eli answered, when the Patriots needed Tommy Terrific to answer back, he could not do it, because in the playoffs and superbowl, at the end, he is only good enough to get the Offense close enough for a FG, but not a TD.
Also, the Defense that the Giants played were not the same defense of that helped his team win those SBs, and Brady without help is still a great QB, but nowhere as great as his stats indicate.
Peyton on the other hand is much better then his stats would indicate, very tough to say which of Manning and Marino is the greatest Passer of all time....a discussion Brady is not in.
painnotpleasure
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The Miami Dolphins as a team have never beaten Brady in New England... ever. Tannehill is young and learning, he needs experience and to show improvement. The season is over pending a miracle rally like with Pennington in 2008, but I think Tannehill could be a good QB down the road.
Wrong, AJ Feeley and the fins beat Brady back in 05. Once ain't much better then never.
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still as great as ever yet the great Peyton manning only had one SB w/ him.
he made 2 SBs w/o him, neither came down to a kick and both saw the NE D blowing late leads.
keep it close like when they won the Carolina SB 32-29 and the D allowed 19 4th qtr pts?
postseason FGs w/ Brady:
20-25
avg. distance of makes: 34 yds
long: 48
10-19: 0
20-29: 7
30-39: 6
40-49: 7
50+: 0
misses: 50, 44, 31, 36, 43. average miss: 41
postseason FGs w/ Manning:
19-20
average distance of makes: 37 yds
long: 51
10-19: 1
20-29: 5
30-39: 3
40-49: 7
50+: 3
lone miss: 36
He was better in Indy yet only one SB, I wonder why that is?
In SB XLII Brady drove his 80 yds to put them up 14-10 in the final minutes, the D then allowed a mediocre offense to score a TD to take a 17-14 lead and Brady got it back at his 26 w/ 29 seconds left.
In SB XLVI he didn't have a late game drive(Welker dropped the pass that basically would have clinched it) but he left the field w/ lead w/ under 4 mins left and AGAIN the D blew it. This time he had more time(57 seconds) BUT they needed a TD and started at their 20 w/ only 1 TO left.
In 4 of the 5 SBs the D blew late game leads, the first 2 the O had enough time to save them, the last 2 they did not.
The D's that faced the Giants allowed 17 and 19 pts, 17 was the least amount the early 00s teams gave up and in 2 of the 3 they allowed 29 and 21.
Much better than his stats would indicate? :lol2::lol2:
so you were impressed by leading his high powered O to:
9 pts in the competitive portion of the '99 loss at home to Ten?
leading Indy to 3 pts in the final 3 qtrs. against the biggest choking D of all time at Miami in 2000?
getting SHUT OUT by the Jets?
5 INTs at NE?
3 pts at NE?
getting 2 miracles to keep him in game vs. Pitt and still not being able to get that game to OT?
throwing 2 RZ INts that cost Indy at least 6 pts in 4 pt loss to SD?
needing 1 1st down to win at SD taking a sack to set up FG to send game to OT?
throwing game ending INT for TD vs. NO in SB?
not being able to get 1 1st down to end game vs. us?
getting FOURTEEN STs pts at home and not being able to beat Baltimore?
His stats are inflated b/c of some good #s games against mediocre teams like den and KC. He has been a mediocre at best postseason QB and the lone year he won a SB everything was set up perfectly for him.
Brady is top 5 all time, Peyton is not.
Now you have stats, you hate when people give you stats, and will conveniently tell everyone that the stats don't tell the whole story...unless you are using them I guess.
You being a Jets fan should know how tough it is for Kicker to make FG during pressure time, considering your team was given a gift, when a very competent Kicker in San Diego missed kick after kick to make your team look better then they were in 2009.
You continue to hop on the Brady train, like from the moment he started at QB, he was throwing the ball all over the field like much better passer did, but he didn't, in the beginning, the Pats followed a very simple formula, run and pass, protect the ball, have the defense keep the score close or within 3 points if behind, have Brady at the end get them within FG range, and let Adam win the game. Many teams after playing them felt they could have won for the simple reason it was so close, even you on many many occasions, came here telling us, how your team almost beat the Pats, and were probably around their level. Once they got away from that formula, and it was left to Brady to throw far more then run, no longer had the all-world Kicker, and the players on the defense started to retire or leave the team, there were not more Superbowl sins for Brady.
You can believe what you want, you can add all the stats to your hearts content, but the one true and only stat that should tell you all you need to know is...
Brady w/ Vinatieri....3 SB
Without....None
Manning w/ Vinatieri...1 SB
without...None
Now you have stats, you hate when people give you stats, and will conveniently tell everyone that the stats don't tell the whole story...unless you are using them I guess.
You being a Jets fan should know how tough it is for Kicker to make FG during pressure time, considering your team was given a gift, when a very competent Kicker in San Diego missed kick after kick to make your team look better then they were in 2009.
You continue to hop on the Brady train, like from the moment he started at QB, he was throwing the ball all over the field like much better passer did, but he didn't, in the beginning, the Pats followed a very simple formula, run and pass, protect the ball, have the defense keep the score close or within 3 points if behind, have Brady at the end get them within FG range, and let Adam win the game. Many teams after playing them felt they could have won for the simple reason it was so close, even you on many many occasions, came here telling us, how your team almost beat the Pats, and were probably around their level. Once they got away from that formula, and it was left to Brady to throw far more then run, no longer had the all-world Kicker, and the players on the defense started to retire or leave the team, there were not more Superbowl sins for Brady.
You can believe what you want, you can add all the stats to your hearts content, but the one true and only stat that should tell you all you need to know is...
Brady w/ Vinatieri....3 SB
Without....None
Manning w/ Vinatieri...1 SB
without...None
I don't hate when people give me stats, I hate when people posts stats w/o context. You told me AV was better in NE, I proved that to be incorrect, it's not AV's fault peyton wasn't good enough to set him up for more GW FGs.
AV is a great kicker, he spent as many years w/ peyton as he did w/ Brady so if it was all AV why does Peyton only have 1 SB title? jealous fans always attack Brady and pump up peyton when the reality is Brady has been the much better QB. you can keep all the meaningless fantasy #s you want, I want to win and peyton has been mediocre/bad in postseason. he should have 3-4 SB titles and has just ONE(thanks to his D/run game carrying him that postseason).