Tannehill versus Wilson: Did we draft the right quarterback?

[laxcoach]

Foles needs 1 offseason of opponents studying him + 10 games before I have an opinion.

I find it encouraging that Tannehill has improved in his second year as a starter. There is a book on him, and he hasn't performed worse.

Does he have issues? Yes. But he seems to work on them once they become an issue. I like that in a QB. There was something last year that was glaringly obvious and he worked on it. This year it was the sack-fumbles. He's corrected it. The last couple of games, it looks like he is looking for running lanes once that internal timer goes off. I fully expect him to work on the deep ball to Wallace all offseason.

Keep improving. Keep working. Keep studying. GROW. That's what I want from a young guy.

People seem to forget that Rodgers sat for years behind Favre. Then, Favre gets traded and he went something like 5-11 as a starter. He GREW.

 

[nyjunc]

Floes reminds me of Colin Kaepernick.

Exploded on the scene, then this year has been about as average as you can be, and averages the lowest YPG Passing in the NfL.

Foles has yet played a good defense, or had to be clutch.

yet as poorly as he has played he has 2 less TDs than Tannehill and 6 less INts w/ less weapons in the pass game

It's very early on Foles but I don't care who he played or what the circumstances- the man has 19 TDs and 0 INTs. That's pretty damn impressive. I am sure we could peel away at those #s and find some things to criticize but the man is leading his team to points w/o turning it over. Great start so far- MUCH better than kaep last year.

 

[tay0365]

I am fully confident Luck will be great but what big games has he won so far?

Luck will eventually become a very good QB.

As far as what big games Luck has won,, can't really say right now, but Tannehill against Seattles top notch Defense out-performed Wilson against Miami defense in their rookie year.

Tannehill (Against 2012 QB Class):

...............1-0 against Wison
...............1-1 against Luck
...............1-0 against Weeden
...............0-0 against RGIII
...............0-0 against Foles

 

[nyjunc]

Luck will eventually become a very good QB.

As far as what big games Luck has won,, can't really say right now, but Tannehill against Seattles top notch Defense out-performed Wilson against Miami defense in their rookie year.

Tannehill (Against 2012 QB Class):

...............1-0 against Wison
...............1-1 against Luck
...............1-0 against Weeden
...............0-0 against RGIII
...............0-0 against Foles

the game he threw a late INT which would have ended it and they called it back? and Seattle is a different team on the road.

 

[dolphans1]

Ryan Tannehill and Russell Wilson both have 1.75 NFL seasons under their belts and enough time has passed where we can fairly begin to judge them based on their play in the league. Both were available when the Dolphins drafted Tannehill two seasons ago. What do you think Dolphin's fans? Did Jeff Ireland draft the right quarterback?

I've always said that I really wasn't sure. It's obvious he wasn't ready last year, he's a bit better this season and we have decent receivers. Our Offensive line has received some of the blame and last years excuse was we had no big play receiver to stretch the field.

So how many more years do we wait? (5 more seasons?)

I felt we would have made the playoffs with Matt Moore last year and even this year, so to me, we wasted last season and this year is up to debate.

In short it comes down to how many seasons do you want to invest to see if an untested QB can blossom into a good-to-very-good QB....?

 

[Vaark]

I've posted the '12 Reggie Wayne stats many times: specifically his total TD receptions, Total Yards and Yds per Game to point out that if you added those stats to RT17's 2012 production, or subtracted them from Luck's '12 production, stat-wise they'd be essentially the same QB except in either case with Luck having more interceptions.

Dovetailing nicely into that assertion is Luck's performance once Wayne's production and defensive distraction is removed. It's as follows and I am still maintaining that there's not a helluva big difference in production or quality of production between the most heralded QB since Payton, a 4 year seasoned pass thrower and a relatively raw and ineptly coached Ryan Tannehill.

Now don't get me wrong, RT17 is not yet in Luck's class - who seems to often **** the bed but come up clutch when he needs to, and often with an enviable escapability I wish Tannehill demonstrated. Although in a few games as the following shows, where a FG or 2 was a major deciding factor between winning and losing, he sure didn't do Vinitieri any favors and definitely owes him a few dinners. One has to wonder if he'd be 2-3 or less if Sturgis was attempting those consistently long FGs. A 72QBR and 5TDS/5Ints in 5 games really doesn't buy any bragging rights with me, sorry. However to declare at this point, especially with the absence of what Reggie Wayne reveals, that Tannehill lacks the upside potential of Luck, IMO is being short-sighted.

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[russianbear]

the game he threw a late INT which would have ended it and they called it back? and Seattle is a different team on the road.

yea, they called it back. it happens all the time . if we lost a game in which we had an int called back like that, and used it as an excuse, you wouldn't have any of that....we won, that's it. I don't believe in * wins, truly. I can't understand why some people do. If you want a win, don't get caught relying on a last play to do so.

Seattle is a completely different team on the road though, I think that is a bonefied fact and pretty well known. Do I think we could beat them in their house? Yes. Would I pick them to? No...I don't think I would pick anyone to beat the Seahawks in Seattle...

to the point of this thread though....I think it's silly to phrase the question like this. The kid is playing great ball, I guess it would be easy to say we made the "wrong" choice, but I think Tannehill will continue to develop into a fine qb too....I like a peyton manning, tom brady-esque qb over a Russell Wilson, RG3, Kaep type qb any day...

 

[39wildman]

I think T-Hill will be a good QB in this league, my issue is why did the Dolphins select him with the #8 pick. A trade down or 2nd round seems to be where he should have been drafted and my opinion is based on his performance in the NFL. He's been in Sherman's system for 4 years and that's more than Luck, RGIII, and Wilson, T-Hill should be much better than he is playing. Also he would be close to 4000 yards passing and 23 tds if he had a better deep ball.

man I told guy about it Friday but I said 6yrs in system

 

[LoneStarPhin]

Keep working. Keep studying. GROW. That's what I want from a young guy.

People seem to forget that Rodgers sat for years behind Favre. Then, Favre gets traded and he went something like 5-11 as a starter. He GREW.

It's funny how so many don't get this. Most here didn't even want RT starting his 1st year- expected him to be brought along slowly and learn from the bench. Then hopefully in year 2 he could start learning the ropes and taking his lumps. What RT has been able to shoulder so quickly is really impressive. How many 2nd year QBs would have their team on the verge of the playoffs after enduring what this offense has gone through this year:

1. an OL that was not good to begin
2. OL loses over half its starters in addition to a locker-room scandal that could tear some teams apart.
3. Losing one of your brightest receiving prospects in pre-season (TE)
4. A high-priced WR that puts forth sketchy effort and drops balls at an alarming rate.
5. A running game that at times is almost non-existent, such that a D can pin its ears back on a young QB.

When you look at how many 1st round QBs in the NFL year after year end up being busts (or at least just average-to-backup-types), and consider that RT was the 3rd QB taken, you have to be pleased with the value the Dolphins appear to have gotten.

 

[Shouright]

Foles needs 1 offseason of opponents studying him + 10 games before I have an opinion.

I find it encouraging that Tannehill has improved in his second year as a starter. There is a book on him, and he hasn't performed worse.

Does he have issues? Yes. But he seems to work on them once they become an issue. I like that in a QB. There was something last year that was glaringly obvious and he worked on it. This year it was the sack-fumbles. He's corrected it. The last couple of games, it looks like he is looking for running lanes once that internal timer goes off. I fully expect him to work on the deep ball to Wallace all offseason.

Keep improving. Keep working. Keep studying. GROW. That's what I want from a young guy.

People seem to forget that Rodgers sat for years behind Favre. Then, Favre gets traded and he went something like 5-11 as a starter. He GREW.

...with a 93.8 QB rating and a 7.5 YPA.

He had already "grown."

 

[herndonsr]

give tann time in the pocket like wilson and he would be a all pro qb he will be great if they dont kill him first get some linemen for this guy gets hurt

 

[HoneyB]

Originally Posted by z926538
Ryan Tannehill and Russell Wilson both have 1.75 NFL seasons under their belts and enough time has passed where we can fairly begin to judge them based on their play in the league. Both were available when the Dolphins drafted Tannehill two seasons ago. What do you think Dolphin's fans? Did Jeff Ireland draft the right quarterback?

Wilson came into the league a lot more polished and more experienced at the QB position. So this discussion will always be slanted in Wilson's favor, after 1.75 NFL seasons under their belts.

Are you serious? You're saying it's unreasonable to hope that a 1st round QB performs as well as a 3rd round QB?

I think it's fair to say that the teams that passed on Wilson are kicking themselves.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Russel Wilson was a top5 pick based on a skill..

His size dropped him

 

[thebeast13]

We drafted his so yes we did.

 

[dolphans1]

you didn't know those silly looking tags aren't for fun but are serious business? Now you do. As for favre, he doesn't seem like he would be committed enough to make for a good nfl offensive coordinator to me. Maybe a qb coach but he didn't seem like the most technical qb ever, he winged it a lot of the time. He could be an interesting candidate to take an elway type position though. I doubt any potential free agents would pass up an opportunity to be wined and dined by mr. Favre.

wtf