What if the idiot regime had a Gase type qb guru with Tannehill from day 1...where would he/team be now. It seems like we wasted some 2 or 3 good years due to poor guidance.
Tannehill what if
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Tua time!
You did waste years
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A little ahead of where he is now. He was still raw and needed to develop coming in but I don't think after two years he would have been leaps and bounds above. The biggest positive to me is that he is not mentally broken like Harrington and Carr were. Say what you want but he is a tough SOB physically and mentally.
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Continuity ought to be a dirty word. If you're losing and your coach isn't part of the solution, then why keep him?
The only thing that comes to mind is loyalty or needing to prove you hired the right coach in your first try or a combination of both
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Philbin was should have been fired years ago, but what Ross did was show that he was willing to give the person a fair chance at his job. This time around while hiring he can easily point out that, in Miami, we will give you a fair chance to implement your program. I don't know if that was the intention or an unintentional bonus to keeping Philbin around for so long, but I don't think it hurt in this hiring process.
A case can be made that between development of assets like Tannehill, Matthews and Miller, and discarding of other assets including Vontae for the sake of some stupid "principle," Philbin's regime squandered more intrinsic value than did any of his predecessors.
And for that criterion, even given the underperformance of Wanny, the abdication of his duties and foisting Wanny on a clueless Garbageman by JJ, the fistpump settlement for 3's of The Meatball, the hapless direction of Cam, and the Emperor Has No Clothing Saban the liar and quitter, Philbin in retrospect was the HC who set this organization back the most.
And for that criterion, even given the underperformance of Wanny, the abdication of his duties and foisting Wanny on a clueless Garbageman by JJ, the fistpump settlement for 3's of The Meatball, the hapless direction of Cam, and the Emperor Has No Clothing Saban the liar and quitter, Philbin in retrospect was the HC who set this organization back the most.
Truthfully, by brininging in an offensive minded Coach in Philbin and his college coach as OC, the thought process was to make things easier for Ryan coming into the NFL. Talking about a guy who had 1.5 years playing college at QB when most top 10 picks get 3 or 4 years. Then mostly everybody cosigned Lazor coming in as a guy who could get a lot out of Ryan, and he got a great 2014 out of him. Hell under Lazor Nick Foles had one of the great seasons for a QB that young in the league.
Hindsight is key here . . . The thought process initially was always about Ryan Tannehill, nothing has changed. What we have to hope for is the execution to be different. If Gase can't get this team in the playoffs in the next two years, he will face the same scrutiny as the others, fair or unfair.
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While I agree for the most part, I just want to say that a lot of us here screamed for Joe's head after 2013 when Ross made him fire Mike Sherman.
The whole notion that you'd make your head coach fire a coordinator is nuts to me. It's his staff. He picked the guy, he's happy with the job that's being done, why wouldn't you hold him accountable for that? Doesn't that say a lot about his judgment if you think that the coordinator is so bad that you're willing to flush the whole staff to get rid of the guy, but the head coach wants to fight tooth and nail to keep him?
Loyalty is an admirable quality - there's a lot to be said for that. However, OTOH, a coach who will only fire an obvious offensive malignancy under threat of his own dismissal has essentially put his friendship above the welfare of the team. And that reason alone should suffice why Philbin should have been let go with Sherman then and there!
Trust me I am no Philbin fan, but him firing Sherman and getting Lazor was all about Ryan Tannehill and he did that for the organization, even if it meant damaging a relationship with a long time associate. Hard to argue he could of gotten more out of a team that was 15-17 those two seasons when you factor in how he got nothing out of the 2013 class that year and had the worst group of receivers in 2012.
He should of been fired for bullygate, not team performance.
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I think he did it to keep his damn job and keep Sherman's son-in-law employed, but that's another thing.
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Tua time!
neutering the qb absolutely wasted years
Be it lazor be it philbin be it whomever...you neuter qbs that you cant trust to not screw it up
Be it lazor be it philbin be it whomever...you neuter qbs that you cant trust to not screw it up