Tannehill'2 Roll Outs in 2013

[So Be]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Rollouts.png

Here's some interesting stats on QB rollouts which I had never seen before. I was surprised to see that RT had 28 roolout (#10 in the NFL), did not seemlike that many, and did very well in ranking #3 overall behind CK and Wilson, with Luck at #4.

** Click on the chart to enlarge and make it readable. Sorry for the 2 in place of an s in the title

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/03/qbs-in-focus/

For anyone interested, PFF is doing a 16 part series on every QB stat, grade, and rank you ever wanted to know about regarding RT and all other QB's. Here's the link on what they have already done, and what is coming, and it's all on the FREE portion of their site. Some VG reading.

 

[HoneyB]

The chart is based on grade. So no surprise he grades out high. Where are the number of rollouts, is that under attempts? In any case, he has 28 and 27 rollouts and attempts. Exactly the same number as Flacco, but Flacco is a deep ball passer, Tannehill is not. Tannehill is more athletic. Look at Kaep and Wilson's numbers, they're much higher than Tannehill in terms of attempts, so is Luck's. So maybe we should let him do it more often.

 

[So Be]

Yeah HB, the first number of 28 was the rollouts with 27 attempts and 1 sack. RT does throw well on the move. Not sure is Lazor is big on rollouts with Foles having 17 but RT is a different QB.

 

[67Stang]

I remember Sherman specifically addressing this last year, when asked why we don't roll him out more....especially with the line troubles. Sherman stated something along the lines of it eliminates half of the field. I am am glad Sherman is gone! When you sit in the pocket with no protection, it eliminates all of the field!

 

[HoneyB]

Yeah HB, the first number of 28 was the rollouts with 27 attempts and 1 sack. RT does throw well on the move. Not sure is Lazor is big on rollouts with Foles having 17 but RT is a different QB.

Yeah I saw that, too. But I think we have an O Coordinator who will try to use the strengths of our roster and not try to put a round peg into a square hole, so we'll see.

Certainly didn't hurt Kaep, Wilson or Luck's performance to roll out. I don't know what Sherman was thinking.

 

[HoneyB]

Denial is such a dangerous thing. Remember when Sherman and Turner said there was no problem with the O line with all those tipped and batted balls from Tannehill? We're not going to adjust a thing, he said. Yet, the problem went away because eventually there were adjustments made. And since Tannehill looks to me pretty much the same, I think it was the O line that did most of the adjusting.

You have to win with what you have. You can't play the game like you have a great O line and Ricky Williams in the backfield and just hand the ball off and hope for the best, like we did last year, then give up on it altogether because it's not working. You also can't treat Tannehill like he's Brady and tell him to sit in the pocket and take his time looking for an open receiver. We simply didn't have a good enough O line for that and Tannehill wasn't completing the deep ball and had zero pocket presence. It was a sack-fest.

If Lazor can do a lot more with this roster than Sherman did, then that will tell us a lot. And let's keep in mind, Philbin fought for Sherman. He thought everything was going great, and if it wasn't then it was Ireland's fault! So we'll see....it will be interesting.

 

[So Be]

I just edited the OP to give a link for the complete 16 part series PFF is dong on QB's.

If anyone wants to start individual theads on any you like, I think it would be a good thing. TON's of info there.

 

[artdnj]

I freakin hate Sherman...mr. Zero adjustment

 

[FSU Truth]

I just edited the OP to give a link for the complete 16 part series PFF is dong on QB's.

If anyone wants to start individual theads on any you like, I think it would be a good thing. TON's of info there.

I think it would be good, but in one individual thread...

 

[j-off-her-doll]

The down and distance charts are interesting and (I think) speak to the type of QB Ryan Tannehill is. On 2nd and medium, 2nd and short, and 3rd and short, Tannehill is toward the top (3rd, 6th, and 2nd). On 2nd and long, 3rd and medium, 3rd and long, and 3rd and 10+, he ranks much lower (13th, 11th, 34th, and 19th).

And before blaming some of those issues on the O-line, according to this chart, Tannehill time to pressure was better than the league average on 3rd and long (his worst category). The same is true of 3rd and 10+ (his 2nd worst).

I view these statistics as affirming rather than surprising. Ryan Tannehill needs a running game. Building an offense designed to throw 35 times a game is counter to all of his strengths and highlights his weaknesses. I wish we had a better group of RB's, but I think Lazor will have our run/pass split much closer to 50/50. If he doesn't, I think it'll be Tannehill's last season starting in Miami. If he does, I'd give Tannehll a solid shot at success.

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/02/qbs-in-focus-by-down-and-distance/

 

[fishfanmiami]

I view these statistics as affirming rather than surprising. Ryan Tannehill needs a running game. Building an offense designed to throw 35 times a game is counter to all of his strengths and highlights his weaknesses. I wish we had a better group of RB's, but I think Lazor will have our run/pass split much closer to 50/50.
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I was really hoping for a true power back either in free agency or the draft but i guess Moreno will have to do.
Last year there was little or no respect give to our running game allowing the defense the advantage as far as match ups often doubling Wallace and hardly ever forcing more men into the box to stop the run. This also gave the defense the added advantage of always coming with a strong pass rush against our less than adequate pass rush defenders with little fear of being hit with a draw or designed running play out of our usual passing formation.
Getting back to a 50/50 split would be a huge step in the right direction .

 

[So Be]

The down and distance charts are interesting and (I think) speak to the type of QB Ryan Tannehill is. On 2nd and medium, 2nd and short, and 3rd and short, Tannehill is toward the top (3rd, 6th, and 2nd). On 2nd and long, 3rd and medium, 3rd and long, and 3rd and 10+, he ranks much lower (13th, 11th, 34th, and 19th).

And before blaming some of those issues on the O-line, according to this chart, Tannehill time to pressure was better than the league average on 3rd and long (his worst category). The same is true of 3rd and 10+ (his 2nd worst).

I view these statistics as affirming rather than surprising. Ryan Tannehill needs a running game. Building an offense designed to throw 35 times a game is counter to all of his strengths and highlights his weaknesses. I wish we had a better group of RB's, but I think Lazor will have our run/pass split much closer to 50/50. If he doesn't, I think it'll be Tannehill's last season starting in Miami. If he does, I'd give Tannehll a solid shot at success.

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/02/qbs-in-focus-by-down-and-distance/

IF we go by what Philly did last year, they threw 508 times and ran 500.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

On rollouts, you still need something in front of you.

What olineman outside of Pouncey had the feet to block for RT on those rollouts?
Unless your advocating naked bootlegs/rollouts.

 

[So Be]

On rollouts, you still need something in front of you.

What olineman outside of Pouncey had the feet to block for RT on those rollouts?
Unless your advocating naked bootlegs/rollouts.

I had thought the same but, on his 28 designed rollouts, he only got sacked 1 time.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

I had thought the same but, on his 28 designed rollouts, he only got sacked 1 time.

Thats fine. But people are still advocating or theorizing it should have been done more.
Where as, I look at the issues with 3step drops and Clabo along with McKinney showing no ability or agility
to do these things on a consistent basis. Same goes for screens or sweeps.

Last years oline was one of the worst in recent NFL history. Its also why I cut RT alot of slack
as opposed to the haters. Matt Ryan, Mr. Pro Bowl who had all pro weapons, gets more leeway than RT. Despite finishing 4-12.