Tannenbum The QB Whisperer

[Vaark]

Decisions like mortgaging the future to trade up for an unneeded potential #2 wideout, letting home grown talent walk and staking the health of the defensive backfield on Maxwell already have demonstrated that unlike smarter, more qualified GMs, he has not learned from past mistakes. And then of course, an argument can be made that by signing Suh, he again helped pigeonhole his franchise into cap constraints.

So what does he know about QBs?

Cases In Point:
He actually traded up for Sanchez, who long before he became one, most everyone realized was destined to be a backup QB (actually he'll be backup to the back up once Romo is healthy). Remember, this is the player that Mike Westhoff, the best coach on the team declared never having "driven the bus" when it came to getting into the postseasons (although we do know that Bill Polian and Jim Caldwell actually did drive one of 'em)

Rather than acknowledge his mistakes after Sanchez consistently put up JaMarcus Russell comparable stats and literally imploded to blow the last 3 games in '11 on their way to the playoffs, he ignored Terry Bradway's pleas to draft Russell Wilson in the 2nd or trading up in the 3rd (drafting Stephen Hill in the 2nd LOL), instead, unbelievably extending Sanchez's contract for more cap constraints in a misguided vote of confidence.

Well, you say maybe he kept his options open and hedged his bets by trading a 4th and 6th (in exchange for a jets 7th) and paying a few $Mil to sweeten the deal to obtain a potential competitor to Sanchez; however when you realize it was Tim ****ing Tebow who's now in BB's Instructional League, if you're not shaking your head in disgust, you've been lobotomized!

Then of course there's Kellen Clemens, the 49th pick/2nd rounder in 2006. How did that work out????

Oh Brett Favre: a 1 year rental who didn't want to be there? Please child!

However I'll concede that he really did help the Fins by deciding to cut Chad Pennington in 08. Of course that wasn't his intention but I guess he does deserve credit for that.

Bottom Line: If you're among those who are in favor of drafting or FA-signing another potential starting QB, do you objectively and sincerely believe that Tannenbum (and his lackey) should be entrusted with that decision?

 

[artdnj]

I do not sir, scary thought but where does that leave us? I assume thou believe Tannenbaum is here for the long haul? i do not see Ross cutting him loose in 17 but one can only hope.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Let's see what happens the rest of the year.

It is very possible the team continues with Ryan Tannehill.

It is very possible we bomb so hard that everyone whose name begins with "Tanne" is shown the door in January.


I think these are the two most likely scenarios going forward.

 

[nyjunc]

of note- the Sanchez trade was brilliant. we gave up virtually nothing(some backup players) to move into top 5. w/ that QB he nearly made 2 SBs so he has proven he can put enough talent around the QB to win but it's harder w/ some QBs than others.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Like a fly to ****, comes junc to defend his hero.

 

[Vaark]

of note- the Sanchez trade was brilliant. we gave up virtually nothing(some backup players) to move into top 5. w/ that QB he nearly made 2 SBs so he has proven he can put enough talent around the QB to win but it's harder w/ some QBs than others.

I realize that while Mike Westhoff declared Sanchez had nothing to do with driving the postseason "bus" you declared that he "led" his team to both postseasons, and while most everyone else perceived him as the weakest link on the 2010 strong team (the 2009 7-7 team that faced the undefeated Colts who pulled their starters while ahead doesn't earn him any credit), you declared him your "franchise QB" and wouldn't trade even 2 first round picks for him or for anyone other than the top 5 QBs - so no Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, etc. So obviously there's a "disconnect."

Hence it's not unexpected that you'd defend a clueless enabler like The T Bum cuz you sincerely still believe that Sanchez was anything other than a career backup in waiting and a good trade up LOL

 

[Beach Bum]

Bottom Line: If you're among those who are in favor of drafting or FA-signing another potential starting QB, do you objectively and sincerely believe that Tannenbum (and his lackey) should be entrusted with that decision?

A lot of us, me included, would love to see Tannenbum shown the door, but that probably won't happen unless Ross sells the team, so most likely we are stuck with Tannehill or go with whomever Tannenbum drafts (if he does)? SMH! This reminds me too much of our friggin election. We are taking it in the a$$ either way!

 

[Danny]

I don't trust him to draft a QB or any other position and as far as Carroo....potential #2? you mean potential #3....who is he going to beat, Laundry or Parker? At best he'll be a number 3 and he might turn out to be a solid WR. I have nothing bad to say about him but that trade was just as bad as the one for Jordan that the other moron GM made.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[fishfanmiami]

ike a fly to ****, comes junc to defend his hero.

Just a reminder guys. Personal attacks will not be allowed.

The subject is Tannebum so discuss it with out taking shots at each other or I'll delete your posts.

 

[nick1]

Hard to trust Tannebaum with anything

 

[phins_4_ever]

Decisions like mortgaging the future to trade up for an unneeded potential #2 wideout, letting home grown talent walk and staking the health of the defensive backfield on Maxwell already have demonstrated that unlike smarter, more qualified GMs, he has not learned from past mistakes. And then of course, an argument can be made that by signing Suh, he again helped pigeonhole his franchise into cap constraints.

So what does he know about QBs?

Cases In Point:
He actually traded up for Sanchez, who long before he became one, most everyone realized was destined to be a backup QB (actually he'll be backup to the back up once Romo is healthy). Remember, this is the player that Mike Westhoff, the best coach on the team declared never having "driven the bus" when it came to getting into the postseasons (although we do know that Bill Polian and Jim Caldwell actually did drive one of 'em)

Rather than acknowledge his mistakes after Sanchez consistently put up JaMarcus Russell comparable stats and literally imploded to blow the last 3 games in '11 on their way to the playoffs, he ignored Terry Bradway's pleas to draft Russell Wilson in the 2nd or trading up in the 3rd (drafting Stephen Hill in the 2nd LOL), instead, unbelievably extending Sanchez's contract for more cap constraints in a misguided vote of confidence.

Well, you say maybe he kept his options open and hedged his bets by trading a 4th and 6th (in exchange for a jets 7th) and paying a few $Mil to sweeten the deal to obtain a potential competitor to Sanchez; however when you realize it was Tim ****ing Tebow who's now in BB's Instructional League, if you're not shaking your head in disgust, you've been lobotomized!

Then of course there's Kellen Clemens, the 49th pick/2nd rounder in 2006. How did that work out????

Oh Brett Favre: a 1 year rental who didn't want to be there? Please child!

However I'll concede that he really did help the Fins by deciding to cut Chad Pennington in 08. Of course that wasn't his intention but I guess he does deserve credit for that.

Bottom Line: If you're among those who are in favor of drafting or FA-signing another potential starting QB, do you objectively and sincerely believe that Tannenbum (and his lackey) should be entrusted with that decision?

I am a little bit confused now. I am not sure what you are accusing Tannebaum of now. That he has no clue when it comes to QBs? I doubt that you suggest to get rid of Tannehill or that it was a mistake to give him that contract. You were and are an outspoken supporter of Tannehill. Tannebaum is extremely supportive of Tannehill so why you are bringing in the past about Sanchez I have no clue. If Tannehill is being released or traded it will be Gase's decision and he will be picking his new QB. The rest of the team may still be the responsibility of Tannebaum (unfortunately) but considering the support Tannebaum gave Tannehill one would think that the QB decision will be out of his hands.

Your concern actually should be that going by Tannebaum's past with Sanchez you should question his judgement with Tannehill.


Which brings me to the next part: if Ireland and Tannebaum are/were such screw ups how can they both be right on that one most important position on offense?

 

[Vaark]

I am a little bit confused now. I am not sure what you are accusing Tannebaum of now. That he has no clue when it comes to QBs? I doubt that you suggest to get rid of Tannehill or that it was a mistake to give him that contract. You were and are an outspoken supporter of Tannehill. Tannebaum is extremely supportive of Tannehill so why you are bringing in the past about Sanchez I have no clue. If Tannehill is being released or traded it will be Gase's decision and he will be picking his new QB. The rest of the team may still be the responsibility of Tannebaum (unfortunately) but considering the support Tannebaum gave Tannehill one would think that the QB decision will be out of his hands.

Your concern actually should be that going by Tannebaum's past with Sanchez you should question his judgement with Tannehill.


Which brings me to the next part: if Ireland and Tannebaum are/were such screw ups how can they both be right on that one most important position on offense?

You're right, it was Gase's decision to come here, largely based on Tannehill's upside vs his other options including Philly, Cleveland and an interview with the Giants, and last season SF. So, if Tannehill leaves, it should be Gase's decision cuz he reconsidered although I doubt it will be considering the slug who's pulling the strings. When it came to extending Tannehill, you're right, it was unnecessary but in light of his 2014 season where he ranked in PFF's top 12 and was an up and comer despite his OL , coaching and defense, there were more justifications to extend THill than there were in '11 to unncessarily extend Sanchez who cost them the last 3 games and a playoff berth. However, since Ross is on record as believing Thill is the next Marino, Tannenbum being the great suck up (why else would a junk-heaped loser actually get reclaimed and de facto promoted) yielded to the man signing the checks.

But nice try

Oh, and even a broken clock (or Omar) is bound to be "right" twice a day. :idk:

 

[nick1]

Gase should pick the QB he wants not Tannebaum or any other GM

 

[nyjunc]

You're right, it was Gase's decision to come here, largely based on Tannehill's upside vs his other options including Philly, Cleveland and an interview with the Giants, and last season SF. So, if Tannehill leaves, it should be Gase's decision cuz he reconsidered although I doubt it will be considering the slug who's pulling the strings. When it came to extending Tannehill, you're right, it was unnecessary but in light of his 2014 season where he ranked in PFF's top 12 and was an up and comer despite his OL , coaching and defense, there were more justifications to extend THill than there were in '11 to unncessarily extend Sanchez who cost them the last 3 games and a playoff berth. However, since Ross is on record as believing Thill is the next Marino, Tannenbum being the great suck up (why else would a junk-heaped loser actually get reclaimed and de facto promoted) yielded to the man signing the checks.

But nice try

Oh, and even a broken clock (or Omar) is bound to be "right" twice a day. :idk:

 

[phins_4_ever]

You're right, it was Gase's decision to come here, largely based on Tannehill's upside vs his other options including Philly, Cleveland and an interview with the Giants, and last season SF. So, if Tannehill leaves, it should be Gase's decision cuz he reconsidered although I doubt it will be considering the slug who's pulling the strings. When it came to extending Tannehill, you're right, it was unnecessary but in light of his 2014 season where he ranked in PFF's top 12 and was an up and comer despite his OL , coaching and defense, there were more justifications to extend THill than there were in '11 to unncessarily extend Sanchez who cost them the last 3 games and a playoff berth. However, since Ross is on record as believing Thill is the next Marino, Tannenbum being the great suck up (why else would a junk-heaped loser actually get reclaimed and de facto promoted) yielded to the man signing the checks.

But nice try

Oh, and even a broken clock (or Omar) is bound to be "right" twice a day. :idk:

Maybe Gase decided to come here because he saw some upside with Tannehill. That was before he coached here but now he is the coach. We don't know what Gase thinks and feels now or will at the end of the season. It is not unheard of that a coach changes his mind because the initial evaluation of an upside was flawed and based on to little information.

Ross can believe whatever he wants. Huizenga once believed that AJ Feely was the next Dan Marino. In the last 15 years we had a good half dozen QBs who thought to be next Dan Marino. If it comes down to it Ross as bad as he is as an owner he is no Jerry Jones who interferes in the operation of football to the extend that he will pick players.

The problem in your initial post is hat you trash Tannebaum for his infatuation with Sanchez yet disregard his infatuation with Tannehill. You can trash Tannebaum in many ways and there are many reasons but when it comes to QBs it is counterproductive for a Tannehill supporter like you because if he was wrong with Sanchesz he may have been wrong about Tannehill.

And what does Omar has to do with anything?