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Amongst other things I believe this team has lost too much on field leadership from last year.

We’ve lost 5 team captains and replaced them with 1.

The captains we lost from last year:

Fitz, Karrass, McCain, KVN and Frazier. 2 on offence and defence and 1 ST.

Replaced those 5 with McCourtny.

I find it really strange that Tua isn’t a team captain. He’s the starting QB, majorly of starting QBs are team captains including Trevor Lawrence and Jalean Hurts. So no excuses it’s weird and maybe a cause for concern, time will tell. Strange that we seemed to line up incorrectly more often with Tua compared to JB.

Where are the other Veterans? Parker, Wilson, Baker, Wilkins?

Last year we had 8 team captains this year we only have 5.

On offence only 1 starter is a Captain. Davis whilst Hollins is a predominant ST player. What a mess
 
Yup I made a post about this a couple weeks ago. I’d be comfortable betting my life savings that this is the worst collections of captains on any nfl team in history. They are that embarrassingly bad, I think it’s a fairly safe bet without knowing any other teams captains.
 
Meh...the captain-ships were voted on by players and a potential captain had to put his name in to get votes...maybe they should change how they go about doing captains?

Aside from that, absolutely. The "leadership" on this team is grossly lacking...owner on down. One of the problems with being a leader on the team is, you have to play well (IMO). You have to standout as excellent to be able to effectively lead. We don't have many of those.
 
In fairness, captains are voted on by the players.

The bigger issue I have is that Bobby McCain and Jesse Davis lasted on the roster as long as they did (and still do).

Davis and McCain are two of the reasons Gase was fired.

Our next staff needs to consult FH before making any decisions. We will surely provide a list of players who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near our roster.
 
The Ghost said:
In fairness, captains are voted on by the players.

The bigger issue I have is that Bobby McCain and Jesse Davis lasted on the roster as long as they did (and still do).

Davis and McCain are two of the reasons Gase was fired.

Our next staff needs to consult FH before making any decisions. We will surely provide a list of players who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near our roster.
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Yah the underlying root of the problem is that we had so few players worthy of being a captain in the first place, particularly on the offense.

But even with the choices we had how the hell are people like Jesse Davis, Mack Hollins and Justin Coleman named? (Hollins would have been fine as a ST captain but definitely not as an offensive one)
 
Say what you want but a starting QB should be a Captain. Tua is at blame there imo
 
phin1984! said:
Say what you want but a starting QB should be a Captain. Tua is at blame there imo
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No the team is as well as the coaches. So apparently the team felt that Jesse Davis who shouldn't even be playing should be a captain. So is it gets Gesicki fault he's not a captain, is it Wilkins fault he's not a captain? Because both of them have shown on the field with production and attitude that they are worthy of that leadership on their respected side of the ball.
 
phin1984! said:
Amongst other things I believe this team has lost too much on field leadership from last year.

We’ve lost 5 team captains and replaced them with 1.

The captains we lost from last year:

Fitz, Karrass, McCain, KVN and Frazier. 2 on offence and defence and 1 ST.

Replaced those 5 with McCourtny.

I find it really strange that Tua isn’t a team captain. He’s the starting QB, majorly of starting QBs are team captains including Trevor Lawrence and Jalean Hurts. So no excuses it’s weird and maybe a cause for concern, time will tell. Strange that we seemed to line up incorrectly more often with Tua compared to JB.

Where are the other Veterans? Parker, Wilson, Baker, Wilkins?

Last year we had 8 team captains this year we only have 5.

On offence only 1 starter is a Captain. Davis whilst Hollins is a predominant ST player. What a mess
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There's a difference between 'captains' and those who are leaders. Often the same, but not always. For example, just watching games, it appears Wilkins is a leader.
 
phin1984! said:
Amongst other things I believe this team has lost too much on field leadership from last year.

We’ve lost 5 team captains and replaced them with 1.

The captains we lost from last year:

Fitz, Karrass, McCain, KVN and Frazier. 2 on offence and defence and 1 ST.

Replaced those 5 with McCourtny.

I find it really strange that Tua isn’t a team captain. He’s the starting QB, majorly of starting QBs are team captains including Trevor Lawrence and Jalean Hurts. So no excuses it’s weird and maybe a cause for concern, time will tell. Strange that we seemed to line up incorrectly more often with Tua compared to JB.

Where are the other Veterans? Parker, Wilson, Baker, Wilkins?

Last year we had 8 team captains this year we only have 5.

On offence only 1 starter is a Captain. Davis whilst Hollins is a predominant ST player. What a mess
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I agree. There is a reason why Tua was not voted Captain AND has to have MG help him get players lined up at the LOS. MG should be a captain. He has the passion and the on field respect.
 
Jimi said:
Yah the underlying root of the problem is that we had so few players worthy of being a captain in the first place, particularly on the offense.

But even with the choices we had how the hell are people like Jesse Davis, Mack Hollins and Justin Coleman named? (Hollins would have been fine as a ST captain but definitely not as an offensive one)
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Maybe it was like a prom prank where everyone votes for the least likely choices.
 
danstilldaman said:
No the team is as well as the coaches. So apparently the team felt that Jesse Davis who shouldn't even be playing should be a captain. So is it gets Gesicki fault he's not a captain, is it Wilkins fault he's not a captain? Because both of them have shown on the field with production and attitude that they are worthy of that leadership on their respected side of the ball.
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Apparently he didn’t put his name forward. Not a deal breaker by any means but a concern nonetheless.

I would have like both of them to be captains but it’s unusual for a starting QB not to be named a captain
 
phin1984! said:
Apparently he didn’t put his name forward. Not a deal breaker by any means but a concern nonetheless.

I would have like both of them to be captains but it’s unusual for a starting QB not to be named a captain
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It truly is unusual, but it's just as usual for a team to be so bad at running the ball and pass protection as the Miami Dolphins are. Also unusual to have two offensive coordinators, also unusual to go from 1st to last in 3rd down defense. Damn I can go on and on about what is unusual with this clownshow.
 
Gesicki should be a captain period. You can just see how much the game means to him and I would trust him to get on player's asses if their not performing right. Overall I do understand what the OP is saying.Also would help if everyone from the top down, understood what their jobs are.
 
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