Team success based on our 2 best stats???

[FinsGonnaRock06]

I wonder how our Success of Running the ball, and stopping the run translates to previous teams records with these stats. I wonder what the avg record is of teams who lead the league in Rushing, and also lead the league in stopping the run is?? I believe the last time we won the Superbowl, we were tops in both of those Categories?

Stat Gurus!

Please help us understand better how important these 2 stats are to our success.

Go Miami!!
Put a beatdown on the Jets!

 

[Pinkboy]

Well...

Last year Minnesota was top 5 in both rushing offense and rushing defense.... They finished 10-6.

And last year Baltimore was in the top 5 for both categories as well.. And we know how their season went. They made it to the AFC Championship game.

 

[Namor]

I'd feel better about our run D if our pass D was ranked a little higher.
The same with our O.

 

[ciscoholgate]

I wonder how our Success of Running the ball, and stopping the run translates to previous teams records with these stats. I wonder what the avg record is of teams who lead the league in Rushing, and also lead the league in stopping the run is?? I believe the last time we won the Superbowl, we were tops in both of those Categories?

Stat Gurus!

Please help us understand better how important these 2 stats are to our success.

Go Miami!!
Put a beatdown on the Jets!

Here you go:

2008

Top 5 Rushing Teams (1st-5th) and how they fared on Rushing Defense

1. New York Giants (9th)
2. Atlanta Falcons (25th)
3. Carolina Panthers (20th)
4. Baltimore Ravens (3rd)
5. Minnesota Vikings (1st)

All teams made the Playoffs and the only two finished in the top 5 of both. Minnesota lost in the first round and Baltimore made it to the Conference Finals.

2007

Top 5 Rushing Teams (1st-5th) and how they fared on Rushing Defense

1. Minnesota Vikings (1st)
2. Jacksonville Jaguars (11th)
3. Pittsburgh Steelers (3rd)
4. New York Giants (8th)
5. Tennessee Titans (5th)

4 of the 5 teams made the playoffs (Minnesota did not). Three finished in the top 5 of both, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee. Tennessee lost in the first round to San Diego and the Steelers lost in the first round of the playoff to Jacksonville.

2006

Top 5 Rushing Teams (1st-5th) and how they fared on Rushing Defense

1. Atlanta Falcons (9th)
2. San Diego Chargers (7th)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars (4th)
4. Washington Redskins (27th)
5. Tennessee Titans (30th)

Only the San Diego Chargers made the playoffs among that group. Jacksonville was the only one to rank in the top 5 of both and they missed the playoffs.

2005

Top 5 Rushing Teams (1st-5th) and how they fared on Rushing Defense

1. Atlanta Falcons (26th)
2. Denver Broncos (2nd)
3. Seattle Seahawks (5th)
4. Kansas City Chiefs (7th)
5. Pittsburgh Steelers (3rd)

Three of the five teams made the playoffs (Atlanta and Kansas City did not). Three teams finished in the top 5 of both, Denver, Seattle, and Pittsburgh. Denver lost to Pittsburgh in the Conference Championship game and Seattle lost to the Steelers in the Super Bowl.

Overall

13 of the 20 tops 5 rushing teams in the past fours season made the playoffs with a combined record of 202-118 (that's a 63 % win percentage) and this roughly equates to an average of a 10-6 season.

Of these four seasons, 9 teams finished in the top 5 of both rushing offense and rushing defense. Of these nine, seven made the playoffs. Only one won a Super Bowl (2005 Steelers).


It is obvious that ending a season with great rushing stats (both offensively and defensively) equates to some success. I think in the playoffs you have to be able to make big plays through the passing game in order to make the Super Bowl.

With these stats it would be fair to say Miami could've finished 10-6 if they finished top 5 in rushing offense. I say "could've" because it will be hard considering we lost our first three. But if we do finish in the top 5 of both, who knows what could happen. Just gotta hope I guess.

Now, beat the JEST!

 

[dainfamusgc]

guess that means the fins headed to the playoffs

 

[KlausC]

How much does it mean? You've earned those stats while going 1-3.

So either it doesn't mean much or the stats are skewed because of the opponents you've faced.

I think it's a little of both. You also have to be able to pass and stop the pass. Just running and stopping the run clearly doesn't get you very far.

 

[ciscoholgate]

guess that means the fins headed to the playoffs

Where in my post did I say that? Typical Jest fan, probably stopped reading after the first sentance. :crazy:

 

[ciscoholgate]

How much does it mean? You've earned those stats while going 1-3.

So either it doesn't mean much or the stats are skewed because of the opponents you've faced.

I think it's a little of both. You also have to be able to pass and stop the pass. Just running and stopping the run clearly doesn't get you very far.

I think a good passing game is essential to winning a Super Bowl. Neither the Jets or the Phins posses this. Look for a trench war on Monday.

 

[Pinkboy]

How much does it mean? You've earned those stats while going 1-3.

That's just a silly thing to say.. The season isn't 4 weeks, it's 16.

Moreover, the Vikings had a top 5 rush offense and top 5 rush defense last year.. And guess what ?? They started 1-3.. And ended up 10-6 at the end of the year.

The Vikings also lost to the Colts in week 2, at home in Minnesota.

And of course the Dolphins started 2-4 last year and ended up 11-5.. Winning 4 road games in the final 5 weeks of the season. To win 4 straight road games in 5 weeks to end a season is very hard to do, no matter who you play.

IE- You lost to Oakland, San Fran and Seattle on the road last year.. We won at Denver and KC in minus 15 degree temperatures.. And oh yeah, Denver beat you at home in NY when you guys were rolling. And of course your pathetic Jets eventually collapsed, predictably.

 

[KlausC]

That's just a silly thing to say.. The season isn't 4 weeks, it's 16.

Moreover, the Vikings had a top 5 rush offense and top 5 rush defense last year.. And guess what ?? They started 1-3.. And ended up 10-6 at the end of the year.

The Vikings also lost to the Colts in week 2, at home in Minnesota.

Why is it so silly? You've run the ball well and stopped the run against every opponent. It resulted in 3 losses and 1 win. The win was against a broken down, poorly coached Bills team.

If all you needed to do was run the ball and stop the run shouldn't the record reflect more favorably on the #1 rushing and #2 rush defending team?

 

[ciscoholgate]

Why is it so silly? You've run the ball well and stopped the run against every opponent. It resulted in 3 losses and 1 win. The win was against a broken down, poorly coached Bills team.

If all you needed to do was run the ball and stop the run shouldn't the record reflect more favorably on the #1 rushing and #2 rush defending team?

Well, the three teams we lost to were pretty good. Combined they are 8-3 and two of the QBs we played, Manning and Rivers are tearing up other teams, not just ours.

Yes the Bills are a very bad team and we killed them. We didn't barely beat them, but we thrashed them for 250 rushing yards. We have a very good run game and a very good rushing defense. Fact is, season is only a quarter of the way through, so there still is time to turn it around and your Jets are standing in the way right now.

 

[Pinkboy]

Why is it so silly? You've run the ball well and stopped the run against every opponent. It resulted in 3 losses and 1 win. The win was against a broken down, poorly coached Bills team.

If all you needed to do was run the ball and stop the run shouldn't the record reflect more favorably on the #1 rushing and #2 rush defending team?

What's silly is solely judging a team based on just 4 weeks of play.

And before you talk about opponent.. The Bills played the Saints just as well as you guys did the week before in the first 3 quarters of that game.

Moreover, Minnesota was 1-3 last year.. I bet you counted them out then eh ?

And every team doesn't play every week the same way.. The 10-6 Vikings only beat the Lions by 2 points in week 6 last year (AT HOME in Minnesota).. So to pinpoint a 38-10 dominating Miami win over the Bills the way you did is silly.

Any team can win any week.. The Browns destroyed the Giants on Monday Night football last year.. The Browns blew them out.. Stuff like that happens all the time in the NFL. So to take away a 38-10 Miami win is silly as Miami is the better team and did what they were supposed to so.

 

[KlausC]

Well, the three teams we lost to were pretty good. Combined they are 8-3 and two of the QBs we played, Manning and Rivers are tearing up other teams, not just ours.

So they beat you by passing the ball and stopping the pass?

Yes the Bills are a very bad team and we killed them. We didn't barely beat them, but we thrashed them for 250 rushing yards. We have a very good run game and a very good rushing defense. Fact is, season is only a quarter of the way through, so there still is time to turn it around and your Jets are standing in the way right now.

I don't doubt you have a good running game and good run defense. The problem I see is that your pass defense and passing game are lacking quite a bit. So much so that you can be the #1 running attack and #2 run stopping defense and still have lost 3 of 4 games.

Yes you lost to good teams. All 3 are playoff contenders. The team you beat is not. I'm not sure what any of that means though.

 

[ciscoholgate]

So they beat you by passing the ball and stopping the pass?

Yes

I don't doubt you have a good running game and good run defense. The problem I see is that your pass defense and passing game are lacking quite a bit. So much so that you can be the #1 running attack and #2 run stopping defense and still have lost 3 of 4 games.

Yes you lost to good teams. All 3 are playoff contenders. The team you beat is not. I'm not sure what any of that means though.

It means, our FO aimed at building this team from the inside out. We are still only one full season removed from a 1-15 season. Our FO decided to focus on the trenches and I can say it looks like it is paying off now.

They will focus on other positions as the time comes, but we are still retooling and being competitive at the same time. Something many other regimes in Maimi have not been able to do.

Plus, Henne is still a wildcard. If he even plays halfway decent with our rushing attack, we have a good shot at making a serious playoff push.

 

[KlausC]

What's silly is solely judging a team based on just 4 weeks of play.

And before you talk about opponent.. The Bills played the Saints just as well as you guys did the week before in the first 3 quarters of that game.

Moreover, Minnesota was 1-3 last year.. I bet you counted them out then eh ?

And every team doesn't play every week the same way.. The 10-6 Vikings only beat the Lions by 2 points in week 6 last year (AT HOME in Minnesota).. So to pinpoint a 38-10 dominating Miami win over the Bills the way you did is silly.

Any team can win any week.. The Browns destroyed the Giants on Monday Night football last year.. The Browns blew them out.. Stuff like that happens all the time in the NFL. So to take away a 38-10 Miami win is silly as Miami is the better team and did what they were supposed to so.

How can it be silly to judge based on 4 games when it was those 4 games that earned you the #1 and #2 stats? Are you suggesting that we should some how project those #1 and #2 stats to stay true over the course of a 16 game season and ignore the fact that you've only played 4 games to earn them?

Look at who you've played to earn those stats.
Rush Defenses:
#16, #25, #27, #28

Rush Offenses:
#14, #25, #29, #32

Things average out both ways, not just in your favor.