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Ted Ginn "Interfered with"

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I keep hearing over and over that Ginn was "interfered with" on this last play but I just don't see it. I've been watching the video over and over and while the defender is close, the only place he really makes contact with is Ted Ginn's shoulder pad (while going for the ball) and his contact there does nothing to alter Ginn's jump nor impede his ability to get to the ball in any way. The so-called "contact" made with the hip occured after the ball had already bounced off Ginn's fingertips- great timing actually although it didn't matter to the incompletion really.

To get a pass interference penalty (not just "illegal contact" which occurs in open space and is unrelated to the ball) the defending player really has to do something that actively impedes the receivers ability to get the ball, or has to actually make physical contact that has a visible physical effect on the offensive player's movement. The very negligible contact that occured on this play in no way fits either or those categories, as everytime small amounts of contact by the coverage occured it had no physical force behind it and was not sufficient to even squash a mosquite on Ginn's skin. I can't help but think of all the people on this who claim that Manning and Brady's TD records (over Dan) are tainted because of the NFL's re-emphasis of contact rules, taking away a CB's ability to play physical, yet some are calling for a penalty on a play where the defender made absolutely no contact of consequence with Ginn. Seems like a double standard. If such a penalty were called in prime time TV, it would have been such a huge joke that the shows would all be talking about it for the next week. And it's very noteworthy that Ginn never once glanced at an official to check for a PI, much less lobby for one. Obviously he didn't think that had anything to do with him not bringing it in.

The DB's physical presence may have influenced Ginn, but mentally and not physically. That he did so without making any real contact with Ginn makes it a pretty solid play by the CB and there's nothing penalty-worthy about it.

I hopes its OK to link to the video of the play, check it out on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhf0Y0_eWBo

I just don't see how anyone could watch this replay and not see that, while not 100 percent a gimme, Ginn's failure to bring in this catch had absolutely nothing to do with interference. And I also can't see how you can watch this video and tell me that he didn't "make a play" needed to win the game. On every great throw and catch, there is a guy who brings down the catch as well. I told someone earlier this year that no matter if Chad could/couldn't have thrown the ball that Santonio Holmes caught to win the SB, I didn't think we had a WR who could bring that one down either. There may be another chance for Ginn, but he certainly didn't make the prime time play tonight.
 
He should have caught that ball but its unfair to blame Ginn for this loss. He had 11 catches and 100+ yards.. if anyone is to blame its the defense.

The Colts had the ball for 15 minutes and had 356 yards at 10 yards per play for 27 points.. Unacceptable.
 
and i just don't see how anyone doesn't see that as Ginn is setting his feet for the jump ball #27 elbows him and knocks him off balance & doesn't enable him to twist back into it (as Ginn intended). not that the forearm was severe but the timing was perfect.
 
and i just don't see how anyone doesn't see that as Ginn is setting his feet for the jump ball #27 elbows him and knocks him off balance & doesn't enable him to twist back into it (as Ginn intended). not that the forearm was severe but the timing was perfect.

He didn't touch him prior to jumping. Even Ginn didn't ask for the flag because he knew it was not interference. Ginn should have caught it but didn't.
 
yes he did. left forearm, pushed him. look at it again 23 seconds into the video link above. look how Ginn buckled a bit after it. but that's how things happen when you slow up for the noodle. EDIT: it threw off Ginns judgment and forced him to adjust mid air and reach back for the ball. that's why it went off his hand funny. not to mention the guy was riding his hand up ginns right shoulder pad. it may have not had a MAJOR effect but just enough along with the push to throw off the timing. people just hate ginn and see what they want to see to blame him for the game. nonsense.
 
yes he did. left forearm, pushed him. look at it again 23 seconds into the video link above. look how Ginn buckled a bit after it. but that's how things happen when you slow up for the noodle. EDIT: it threw off Ginns judgment and forced him to adjust mid air and reach back for the ball. that's why it went off his hand funny. not to mention the game was riding his arm up ginns right shoulder pad. it may have not had a MAJOR effect but just enough along with the push to throw off the timing. people just hate ginn and see what they want to see to blame him for the game. nonsense.

His left forearm is behind his back. His right hand got caught in Ginn's sleeve. His right forearm brushes Ginn at the same time the ball hit Ginn smack dam in the hand. Ted Ginn should have caught that ball. If that minimal amount of physicality bothered him, it's just more evidence that he will never be a big time player.
 
His left forearm is behind his back. His right hand got caught in Ginn's sleeve. His right forearm brushes Ginn at the same time the ball hit Ginn smack dam in the hand. Ted Ginn should have caught that ball. If that minimal amount of physicality bothered him, it's just more evidence that he will never be a big time player.
you can't see the left forearm push before the jump at 23 seconds into the video that threw Ginn off balance or what? dlockz thinks that was a PERFECT pass by the way. LMAO.
 
OMG! You can't really believe that his left forearm brushing him while going behind his back threw that play off! If that in fact did, Ginn really sucks and should be benched for someone that does not play like a sissy. The NFL is not 2 hand touch.
 
i'm interested in the truth about the play which means analyzing the body language of Ginn after the forearm obviously connected with his side at 23 seconds into the video. whether or not this play means Ginn sucks isn't the point.
 
i'm interested in the truth about the play which means analyzing the body language of Ginn after the forearm obviously connected with his back at 23 seconds into the video. whether or not this play means Ginn sucks isn't the point.

I just don't think the contact really effected him or shouldn't have. The ball hit him in both hands. Tough catch but he has made tougher. He missed it. But to blame him solely is ridiculous. The defense and the slow motion 2 minute drill was horrible.
 
whether it should or shouldn't have isn't the point either but it seems conclusive evidence to me that he got pushed, however slightly off-balance while slowing down for a duck and had to reach back. after making many clutch catches in the game then to make judgments about ginn's ability or try to make him the goat of the game is asinine.
 
after reviewing this play I do believe Ginn's arm was pushed. if not for that push I think he would have come down with it.
 
whether it should or shouldn't have isn't the point either but it seems conclusive evidence to me that he got pushed, however slightly off-balance while slowing down for a duck and had to reach back. after making many clutch catches in the game then to make judgments about ginn's ability or try to make him the goat of the game is asinine.


he dropped two very catchable passes and had a good chance at another in the end zone for which he did not extend, so lets not act like he caught every clutch pass. I see no interference and and neither did anybody in thestands since nobody booed that I heard. He was one of the goats because u have to make that catch but at least he did alot more good things than bad.
 
both times in the endzone i said repeatedly "catch the ****ing ball" my wife thought i was crazy but i have been been a defender of ginns play and what he brings to the offense but CATCH THE ****ING BALL YOU *****!
 
both times in the endzone i said repeatedly "catch the ****ing ball" my wife thought i was crazy but i have been been a defender of ginns play and what he brings to the offense but CATCH THE ****ING BALL YOU *****!


Ginn did fine in alot of ways. The problem is people are still living in his college days which were quite overrated. He is now a possession receiver not a game breaker.
 
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