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Ted Ginn Jr, the X factor?

Trowa

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I know people are still upset about the Ted Ginn Jr. pick. And possibly rightfully so. For a lot of people I think the anger and confusing comes, not from the picking of Ted Ginn Jr., but in the passing on Brady Quinn. I too wanted Quinn. I had my heart set on him. And when the Dolphins went on the clock at 9 I knew we had just laned the next Dan Marino. And yes, I was crushed when the name Ted Ginn Jr. was announced. However, we have to realize and respect that the Dolphins have gone on record as stating that they had John Beck rated above Brady Quinn. Cameron stated in his press conference that you can teach an accurate quarterback to be more accurate, but he's never had any luck teaching a quarterback that's not accurate to be accurate. I think that's all the needs to be said as to why we passed on Quinn. And yes, we got lucky that Beck was still there at 40. But that's a discussion for an entirely different thread. Now I don't have the ability to see the future, so I can't say whether the choice we made was the correct one. All I can do is hopefully make some people realize that Ted Ginn Jr could possibly be the player we need.

The first argument that many people make is that Ted Ginn Jr was not a good value pick at the #9 spot. That's simply not the case. When the #9 pick came up the Miami Dolphins had Ted Ginn Jr as the highest rated player on their draft board. Reports are that Mueller was making calls to several teams to make a move back in the 1st round and pick up more picks. However, if happened we would have never had an opportunity at Ted Ginn Jr. The Houston Texans said on draft day that the player they were targeting with the #10 selection was Ted Ginn Jr. That being said, Cameron and Mueller liked the kid a lot. They decided that they had to have him. And luckily for us they stayed at the #9 position and were able to land their guy. Does that mean he had value in that position? Possibly not. But many will agree that we needed to go offense with our #1 pick. And let me point out to you that aside from Marshawn Lynch at 12 there was not another offensive player picked after Ted Ginn until Brady Quinn was picked at 22. Any offensive player we went after at the 9 spot could have been considered a "reach."

The second point that is brought up on a regular basis is his durability. Aside from the injury sustained in the National Championship game against Florida which forced him out for the rest of the game, he had never missed a game in 4 years at Ohio State or during his entire high school career. Durability is simply not a concern for him. And the injury to the ankle was a freak accident caused by his teammate jumping on his back. It wasn't caused by him celebrating as much as it was caused by the team celebrating. He's been slow to heal from the injury but is fully expected to be ready to go by June. Well in time to get in camp and learn the offense and get some playing time in the preseason.

There are concerns that he can't be a #1 WR in the NFL. And those concerns are justified. However the Miami Dolphins coaches that were here under the Saban regime had scouted Ginn for 2 years. Last year when scouting Santonio Holmes they commented that Ted Ginn Jr was the player that really jumped off the screen at you. They are enamored with his speed. He ran a 4.2 coming into college and I believe somewhere around a 4.4 or 4.5 during his workout in April, while still nursing an injury. The kid has blistering speed. The arguments are you don't spend the #9 pick of the draft on someone who's not going to be your #1 WR. And I do agree. But who is to say he wont be? He wont be his rookie year, that's for certain. But Calvin Johnson wont be the #1 reciever behind Roy Williams. Was he not deserving of the #2 pick? Yes he is still very raw. And he has trouble running routes. He's certainly not as developed in the WR department as a Calvin Johnson or Dwayne Bowe. However the skills he is lacking can be taught over time. Ginn's speed and explosiveness can not be taught. He gives 110% every time he touches the ball on offense and on special teams. He is a playmaker pure and simple.

Ted Ginn Jr could be our X Factor, Reggie Bush type player. He adds an element of explosiveness to the offense and makes us much more dynamic. We can run all sorts of trick plays with him on the field. When you have Ted Ginn Jr, Chris Chambers and Ronnie Brown on the field who do you cover? Ginn can line up at WR, he can line up in the backfield, he can line up at Quarterback, he can be used on end arounds, he's fast enough to run the screen effectively, and he's a home run threat every time he has the ball in his hands. The concern is that being a smaller receiver he will have trouble with getting jammed at the line of scrimmage. And that is a very real concern. And until he improves his route running thats an even bigger concern. But I read a quote from an NFL scout that read something like 'if you don't jam him at the line of scrimmage you'll never catch up to him.'

I think in the past few years, and into the forseeable future we will see a resurgence of special teams play. Reggie Bush and Devin Hester really revolutionized the return man position last year. That paved the way for players like Ginn to get drafted at #9 overall. It's no coincidence that the Bears were in the NFC championship game last year. A great defensive team with a return man who's a threat for a TD on every punt and kickoff makes a dangerous combination. Chicago doesn't have a great QB. They had a very strong running game. But the passing game wasn't what it could have been. Of course the Bears play in a weak NFC that would be dominated by any of the top teams in the AFC, but the point remains of what a dynamic return man can do for a team.

As I said earlier, I can't see the future. I don't know if Ted Ginn Jr was the right pick. But he was our pick. That's not going to change. We, as fans, can either embrace him or not. That's a decision every fan has to make on their own. In 10 years it could turn out that Brady Quinn went on to win superbowls with Cleveland while we never managed a winning season. But it's just as possible that John Beck and Ted Ginn Jr lead Miami to superbowls while Brady Quinn becomes the next Joey Harrington. I just hope that maybe some people realize that Ted Ginn is a good player and will add another dimension to the Miami Dolphins.

Here is a highlight video of Ted Ginn Jr. Normally I don't get into highlight videos because most of them are poorly put together and highlight videos don't give you a real insight into what a player really plays like. But I felt this one was worthwhile just for the way it shows the ways that Ted Ginn Jr can contribute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvZrbdG7bZw

*puts up the flame ******ent shield*

Fire away.
 
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I can live with the pick due to his amazing speed, but I'm not crazy about it at all. You make good points overall.

Here's my big question, what are the details of the foot sprain? Lis Franc sprain? I don't know if it is Lis Franc sprain but I hear they can be difficult to recover from. Why so long to heal, and why such varied reports on healing time? How can Fins be so confident he'll be 100% soon with no lingering effects?
 
I can live with the pick due to his amazing speed, but I'm not crazy about it at all. You make good points overall.

Here's my big question, what are the details of the foot sprain? Lis Franc sprain? I don't know if it is Lis Franc sprain but I hear they can be difficult to recover from. Why so long to heal, and why such varied reports on healing time? How can Fins be so confident he'll be 100% soon with no lingering effects?

From what I understand the timetable for recovery from the injury is June. As for why so long to heal, that's hard to say. Different people heal at different speeds. And pushing it too early can be disastrous, as we saw with Daunte Culpepper. I think that also addressed the question of why so many varied reports. To be quite frank, no one really knows when he'll be fully healthy.


I think the most intriguing question you pose is how can the Fins be so confident that he'll be 100% with no lingering effects? And I think the answer to that is that they can't be. In the world of sports you can never be 100% certain of any thing. Especially when it comes to injuries and coming back from them. However we can only assume that the team doctors looked at the foot long and hard and determined that he would be ready to play and that it wouldn't be a problem. And while it's all well and good to accept that, these are the same doctors who gave Daunte Culpepper the okay and not Drew Brees.

Point being, team doctors aren't always right. You can't be with such a delicate and yet volatile matter. We can only go on their track record of being right more than being wrong.
 
He Will Be A Sp Team Star In League, Possibley A 40 Catch, 6 Td Reciever.
He Will Create A Mismatch On The 4th Wr Routes.
 
2 thigns...one, fields punted a ball i believe baou twhat 60 yards towards teh end? his our new P.

but the BEST part was....Ginn, 2 Touches, 2 TD's. tahts what was said in the beg. by one of the commentators. thats what i like to hear. w/e he touches he scorches the entire D.

plus, miami likes to do the draw play, fake draw like in one of those videos n Ginn is gone, if they focus on Ginn Chambers is a 4.36 guy himself he will be somehwere 1 on 1.

Our D gest a 3 and out, Ginn returns it 20 yards, we are already in FG range dude loll. n' feeley hopefully will come thru if we kick 1instead of a TD.
 
2 thigns...one, fields punted a ball i believe baou twhat 60 yards towards teh end? his our new P.

but the BEST part was....Ginn, 2 Touches, 2 TD's. tahts what was said in the beg. by one of the commentators. thats what i like to hear. w/e he touches he scorches the entire D.

plus, miami likes to do the draw play, fake draw like in one of those videos n Ginn is gone, if they focus on Ginn Chambers is a 4.36 guy himself he will be somehwere 1 on 1.

Our D gest a 3 and out, Ginn returns it 20 yards, we are already in FG range dude loll. n' feeley hopefully will come thru if we kick 1instead of a TD.

I think that Cam hit the nail on the head when he said that our offense has a 5th down now. The impact an explosive and dynamic return man can have on a game, especially on a team with a defense expected to be as great as ours, is undeniable. Great speed and homerun ability every time he touches the ball are exactly what we need on what has been a rather anemic offense for the better part of the past decade.
 
I agree with you that he may not be a #1 receiver but I don't really think he has to be. You also say he is an X-factor and that's why I love having him. He will touch the ball in open space a lot and when he gets in space he is crazy scary. I just hope his foot doesn't hamper him at all.

Good thread Trowa, other than the garbage opinion, terrible writting and poor content, I'd say you did pretty good. :wink:
 
2 thigns...one, fields punted a ball i believe baou twhat 60 yards towards teh end? his our new P.

but the BEST part was....Ginn, 2 Touches, 2 TD's. tahts what was said in the beg. by one of the commentators. thats what i like to hear. w/e he touches he scorches the entire D.

plus, miami likes to do the draw play, fake draw like in one of those videos n Ginn is gone, if they focus on Ginn Chambers is a 4.36 guy himself he will be somehwere 1 on 1.

Our D gest a 3 and out, Ginn returns it 20 yards, we are already in FG range dude loll. n' feeley hopefully will come thru if we kick 1instead of a TD.
I have a hard time understanding your posts...SORRY
 
Trowa, in time you are going to fall in love with Ted Ginn jr, I guarantee it ..... Stop looking at just 40 times, it doesn't mean much.. What makes Ginn unique, is he reaches top speed very quickly.. He hits top speed before other players a second faster.. Before you even blink, Ginn hits top speed from almost a dead stop.. Look how Ginn abused Aaron Ross in college (Ross who was a 1st round pick at CB) .. Ginn made a move to the outside on Ross's press coverage, and was neck and neck with Ross down the sideline.. In less than a second Ginn blew by Ross (who runs a 4.4 himself ) because Ginn hits top speed so quickly it's uncanny (it's NUTS actually, I've never seen a player hit top speed so fast ever ) .. This is what makes him so unique and such an incredibly special talent , besides just his awesome speed in general.. .......................................................................His vision also makes him a candidate to be one of the greats.. You can have all the speed in the world, but without great vision to make the proper moves it's useless .. Many fast players can't make the NFL because they simply don't have that outstanding vision... What made Wayne Gretzky such a special talent in hockey, wasn't his physical gifts, but his vision to see things before they happen.. Ginn has that special vision............................................................. Futhermore, one of my favorite players happened to be Marshall Faulk .. I have seen many players with his skillset come into the league just to get cut , or have very short careers .. The problem is they didn't have the 'vision' on the field to see things before they happen.. That innate ability is so important to add to the gift of pure speed.. Marshall Faulk will be in the hall of fame because of that incredible vision to add to his physical gifts.. Those other players that didn't have Faulk's vision but had his skillset, are working in sweat shops making $500 a week ..What good is speed if you just hit brick walls all the time because you lack great vision ?? Great Vision is just as important as Great speed to make a special player.. And Ginn has em both !! In spades ..
 
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