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With the possibility of Miami sliding to the 5th overall pick, do you think Saban takes a shot at Ted Ginn Jr. if he is available? This kid is somewhat questionable in the same sense that Reggie Bush was (size/toughness issues). However this kid is a flat-out gamebreaker. His speed, and ability to spread the field would help our team out drastically. What do you think?
 
1) The best Miami can do is finish 8th in the first round.

2) Ginn or another WR is an option at #8 among OL, OLB, DB, DT, and maybe even QB candidates.

Its all up in the air till we have our final slot and we know all underclassman that declare, etc.
 
Wouldn't hate that. That's only if the beast from Wisconsin is off.
 
With the possibility of Miami sliding to the 5th overall pick, do you think Saban takes a shot at Ted Ginn Jr. if he is available? This kid is somewhat questionable in the same sense that Reggie Bush was (size/toughness issues). However this kid is a flat-out gamebreaker. His speed, and ability to spread the field would help our team out drastically. What do you think?

I think if Dwayne Jarret also declares, it's a tough choice if you have to pick between them. All depends on personnel needs and the roles they could fill in the system.
 
1) The best Miami can do is finish 8th in the first round.

2) Ginn or another WR is an option at #8 among OL, OLB, DB, DT, and maybe even QB candidates.

Its all up in the air till we have our final slot and we know all underclassman that declare, etc.
What do you think the chances of Leak falling to round 8 are? Personally, I think he's the perfect fit for this offense.
 
What do you think the chances of Leak falling to round 8 are? Personally, I think he's the perfect fit for this offense.

Ahhh...Leak will fall past #8. But Round 8 isnt out of the realm of possibility...LOL
 
I think there are really some positions that we ought to consider before we go after a guy like Ted Ginn.

That said, he's a top 10 talent and if we're picking at the very end of the top 10 and he is available, and some other guys are not, then this really has the potential to become a best player issue.

My stance, my newest self-revelation, is that Wes Welker and Chris Chambers simply cannot co-exist. That means either you ditch Chambers, or ditch Welker.

Chambers has higher trade value, but is also much more cap prohibitive given that he just signed a big contract extension with I believe an eight digit bonus at the end of 2004 just before Saban signed on board.

Welker, on the other hand, is fresh off a season where he surprised everyone by leading the team in catches, has really garnered a tough guy with sticky hands reputation around the league (the only receiver of ours that does not regularly drop balls), and is an EXCELLENT punt return man. He's also an RFA and if we slap that $1.3 million 2nd round tender on him, I bet we could field offers of a 4th or maybe even a 3rd for him.

If you trade Chambers, you need to draft his replacement. If you trade Welker, you don't necessarily need to trade anyone.

The reason I would not toss Ted Ginn out the window if he were to be available, is because if we do go ahead and trade Welker (a tough, tough choice, but in the best interests of the team) then I believe he's a natural at the flanker position that Chris Chambers currently occupies.

The reason Chambers and Welker cannot co-exist is because they are both slot receivers. Chambers had arguably his best and least disappointing year as a pro when he was working in Chan Gailey's system as the slot receiver. He looked unstoppable. Since moving to flanker he has been a constant disappointment, with the exception of the final six games of 2005 when, coincidentally, Linehan moved from the box to the sidelines and agreed to move Chambers around the field and most importantly into the slot, to get him more involved and to get better matchups.

Welker's per game production dropped in half from the first 10 games to his final 6 games, and Chambers' per game production doubled. No coincidence at all.

Because, let's face it, as much of a tough guy with sticky hands as Wes Welker is, he's not the kind of explosive playmaker from the slot that Chris Chambers is.

So really if you subtract Welker from this equation and add Ginn, we have a natural outside flanker with devastating speed in Ginn, we have two natural split ends in Marty Booker and Derek Hagan, and we have a highly explosive slot receiver in Chris Chambers.

Long term you could get rid of Marty Booker and his salary, and Hagan and Chambers both could play the split end position, Chambers and Ginn could each play the slot, and Chambers and Ginn could each play flanker. That gives you a lot of options on every play and a lot of ability to ride the hot hand by moving players around, which is something I don't feel we do enough of in terms of receiving spots.

So without Welker on the team, there IS a place for Ted Ginn Jr. on this team.

Ted Ginn Jr. and Chris Chambers, by the way, are first cousins. :)
 
I think there are really some positions that we ought to consider before we go after a guy like Ted Ginn.

That said, he's a top 10 talent and if we're picking at the very end of the top 10 and he is available, and some other guys are not, then this really has the potential to become a best player issue.

My stance, my newest self-revelation, is that Wes Welker and Chris Chambers simply cannot co-exist. That means either you ditch Chambers, or ditch Welker.

Chambers has higher trade value, but is also much more cap prohibitive given that he just signed a big contract extension with I believe an eight digit bonus at the end of 2004 just before Saban signed on board.

Welker, on the other hand, is fresh off a season where he surprised everyone by leading the team in catches, has really garnered a tough guy with sticky hands reputation around the league (the only receiver of ours that does not regularly drop balls), and is an EXCELLENT punt return man. He's also an RFA and if we slap that $1.3 million 2nd round tender on him, I bet we could field offers of a 4th or maybe even a 3rd for him.

If you trade Chambers, you need to draft his replacement. If you trade Welker, you don't necessarily need to trade anyone.

The reason I would not toss Ted Ginn out the window if he were to be available, is because if we do go ahead and trade Welker (a tough, tough choice, but in the best interests of the team) then I believe he's a natural at the flanker position that Chris Chambers currently occupies.

The reason Chambers and Welker cannot co-exist is because they are both slot receivers. Chambers had arguably his best and least disappointing year as a pro when he was working in Chan Gailey's system as the slot receiver. He looked unstoppable. Since moving to flanker he has been a constant disappointment, with the exception of the final six games of 2005 when, coincidentally, Linehan moved from the box to the sidelines and agreed to move Chambers around the field and most importantly into the slot, to get him more involved and to get better matchups.

Welker's per game production dropped in half from the first 10 games to his final 6 games, and Chambers' per game production doubled. No coincidence at all.

Because, let's face it, as much of a tough guy with sticky hands as Wes Welker is, he's not the kind of explosive playmaker from the slot that Chris Chambers is.

So really if you subtract Welker from this equation and add Ginn, we have a natural outside flanker with devastating speed in Ginn, we have two natural split ends in Marty Booker and Derek Hagan, and we have a highly explosive slot receiver in Chris Chambers.

Long term you could get rid of Marty Booker and his salary, and Hagan and Chambers both could play the split end position, Chambers and Ginn could each play the slot, and Chambers and Ginn could each play flanker.

So without Welker on the team, there IS a place for Ted Ginn Jr. on this team.

Ted Ginn Jr. and Chris Chambers, by the way, are first cousins. :)

I was hoping you'd bring that up - I didn't want to involve your post from last night without the additional explanations that go along with it.
 
I think there are really some positions that we ought to consider before we go after a guy like Ted Ginn.

That said, he's a top 10 talent and if we're picking at the very end of the top 10 and he is available, and some other guys are not, then this really has the potential to become a best player issue.

My stance, my newest self-revelation, is that Wes Welker and Chris Chambers simply cannot co-exist. That means either you ditch Chambers, or ditch Welker.

Chambers has higher trade value, but is also much more cap prohibitive given that he just signed a big contract extension with I believe an eight digit bonus at the end of 2004 just before Saban signed on board.

Welker, on the other hand, is fresh off a season where he surprised everyone by leading the team in catches, has really garnered a tough guy with sticky hands reputation around the league (the only receiver of ours that does not regularly drop balls), and is an EXCELLENT punt return man. He's also an RFA and if we slap that $1.3 million 2nd round tender on him, I bet we could field offers of a 4th or maybe even a 3rd for him.

If you trade Chambers, you need to draft his replacement. If you trade Welker, you don't necessarily need to trade anyone.

The reason I would not toss Ted Ginn out the window if he were to be available, is because if we do go ahead and trade Welker (a tough, tough choice, but in the best interests of the team) then I believe he's a natural at the flanker position that Chris Chambers currently occupies.

The reason Chambers and Welker cannot co-exist is because they are both slot receivers. Chambers had arguably his best and least disappointing year as a pro when he was working in Chan Gailey's system as the slot receiver. He looked unstoppable. Since moving to flanker he has been a constant disappointment, with the exception of the final six games of 2005 when, coincidentally, Linehan moved from the box to the sidelines and agreed to move Chambers around the field and most importantly into the slot, to get him more involved and to get better matchups.

Welker's per game production dropped in half from the first 10 games to his final 6 games, and Chambers' per game production doubled. No coincidence at all.

Because, let's face it, as much of a tough guy with sticky hands as Wes Welker is, he's not the kind of explosive playmaker from the slot that Chris Chambers is.

So really if you subtract Welker from this equation and add Ginn, we have a natural outside flanker with devastating speed in Ginn, we have two natural split ends in Marty Booker and Derek Hagan, and we have a highly explosive slot receiver in Chris Chambers.

Long term you could get rid of Marty Booker and his salary, and Hagan and Chambers both could play the split end position, Chambers and Ginn could each play the slot, and Chambers and Ginn could each play flanker. That gives you a lot of options on every play and a lot of ability to ride the hot hand by moving players around, which is something I don't feel we do enough of in terms of receiving spots.

So without Welker on the team, there IS a place for Ted Ginn Jr. on this team.

Ted Ginn Jr. and Chris Chambers, by the way, are first cousins. :)

wow, CK, great post... as usual. Great insight and perspective there. Personally, Ginn is one of the few guys I hope for Miami to target. His explosiveness is something Miami has lacked for a long time. And I wasnt aware of what you brought up about moving Chambers back to the slot but I think that makes alot of sense. My question for you is this, do you think Welker could stick as the 4th WR/PR. Welker on the 4th CB in Def would be a matchup advantage while his PR duties would allow Ginn to be the deep threat and possible KR.. or do you think Wes wouldnt stick around if that were his role (he seems like a team first guy).. what do you think?
 
I'm not crazy with the idea of drafting Ted Ginn. IMO he would have a Troy Williamson esque first couple of years.

There are only 2 WRs I'd take for us in round 1; Dwayne Jarrett and Calvin Johnson.
 
The problem with taking Dwayne Jarrett, I mean aside from the obvious fact that he's basically taken advantage of lax "off" zone coverage his whole career and couldn't get open against tight man coverage to save his life, is that selecting him kind of sends Derek Hagan back to the minors in terms of allowing Hagan to eventually bloom into our starting Split End. Not to mention it automatically means Marty Booker is off the roster.

Jarrett at flanker would be a joke, and not a funny one either.

Now Calvin Johnson, that's a no-brainer...for any team. He's the only real true no-brainer in the entire draft. There isn't a team in the NFL that could not use him. He could play anything, wherever you wanted him to play. He's got the size for Split End, the speed and play-making ability for Flanker, and he could even play the slot if that's what you wanted.
 
Everything u sed is really interesting and I agree 100%... However I personally do not think Welker is that good of a return specialist. Hes fast, yes, but hes not very agile and always looks like hes quick to go to the ground as if not to fumble the ball. We need an explosive agile guy who can juke players out... Devin Hester-type which are soo hard to find, but Ginn is the fastest, most agile guy in the draft. He could really change our offense
 
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